OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

[2018C3]

I do want to buy a Fields jersey. I want to toss my Urlacher jersey after all his ignorant racial tweets.

Won’t be buying Fields until I see him produce though.

Please elaborate. What exactly did Brian Urlacher say that you feel is racist? I may have missed something here.

I just searched. Was it this, or something else?

"NBA players boycott the playoffs because a dude reaching for a knife, wanted on a felony sexual assault warrant, was shot by police.”

By the way, I also sold my Urlacher Jersey, and Derrick Rose Jersey. Not because anything that was said or done, just because at my age I no longer wear or look decent in a jersey. I will never buy another, because I just don't feel right wearing numbers of some guy who is half my age. I will still follow and support the teams I like.

I think in America its okay to question both criminal police behavior, and criminal public behavior. Where we should all be patient is rushing to judgement before actual facts get provided. There are situations of injustice, and also cases where force is justified. The best course of action is to not jump on one side before a complete story comes out.

I'm a strong believer in don't run, and don't resist. This should be taught in school. Over 90% of the Police problems we see today could be avoided if these concepts were applied.

This is what my parents told me. Obviously everyone does not have the same experiences, so I'm open to at least hearing another opinion.

In the past I volunteered to have my car searched, and even popped the trunk at least twice when pulled over. Why? because I had nothing to hide. After a quick stop I was on my way with just a minor traffic ticket. (Like a tail light out, No seat belt, or driving with a crack in the windshield). Over the years I have got stopped for all of these reasons.

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I also got tackled by a officer behind a building in Lombard, after a friend who was sober drove me home, and I asked him to pull over after we left the bar because I needed to pee. Once they ran are records we were both let go. The police said they were on a drug watch, and the area behind the building had recent activity.

They searched the car and let us go after we did not have drugs or money. I never did get to pee, and my friend bitched me out for putting him in that situation. I got tackled by a fast cop on mountain bike just as I was about to unzip my zipper. Next thing you know we were surrounded by police cars. It probably did not help that we were in a brand new I think 2003 corvette parked behind a building.

Oh well, we both complied, and I woke up the next morning feeling somewhat okay with a good story to tell.

[Susan]

I do want to buy a Fields jersey. I want to toss my Urlacher jersey after all his ignorant racial tweets.

Won’t be buying Fields until I see him produce though.

Please elaborate. What exactly did Brian Urlacher say that you feel is racist? I may have missed something here.

I just searched. Was it this, or something else?

"NBA players boycott the playoffs because a dude reaching for a knife, wanted on a felony sexual assault warrant, was shot by police.”

By the way, I also sold my Urlacher Jersey, and Derrick Rose Jersey. Not because anything that was said or done, just because at my age I no longer wear or look decent in a jersey. I will never buy another, because I just don't feel right wearing numbers of some guy who is half my age. I will still follow and support the teams I like.

I think in America its okay to question both criminal police behavior, and criminal public behavior. Where we should all be patient is rushing to judgement before actual facts get provided. There are situations of injustice, and also cases where force is justified. The best course of action is to not jump on one side before a complete story comes out.

I'm a strong believer in don't run, and don't resist. This should be taught in school. Over 90% of the Police problems we see today could be avoided if these concepts were applied.

This is what my parents told me. Obviously everyone does not have the same experiences, so I'm open to at least hearing another opinion.

In the past I volunteered to have my car searched, and even popped the trunk at least twice when pulled over. Why? because I had nothing to hide. After a quick stop I was on my way with just a minor traffic ticket. (Like a tail light out, No seat belt, or driving with a crack in the windshield). Over the years I have got stopped for all of these reasons.

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I also got tackled by a officer behind a building in Lombard, after a friend who was sober drove me home, and I asked him to pull over after we left the bar because I needed to pee. Once they ran are records we were both let go. The police said they were on a drug watch, and the area behind the building had recent activity.

They searched the car and let us go after we did not have drugs or money. I never did get to pee, and my friend bitched me out for putting him in that situation. I got tackled by a fast cop on mountain bike just as I was about to unzip my zipper. Next thing you know we were surrounded by police cars. It probably did not help that we were in a brand new I think 2003 corvette parked behind a building.

Oh well, we both complied, and I woke up the next morning feeling somewhat okay with a good story to tell.

Are you a white man? (I'm a white man BTW, I grew up in Bensenville and live in the city now)

[dice]

Hate to keep harping on this, but why are so many people calling Newsome slow when he ran a 4.38 40? It is making me crazy why they are ignoring it or uninformed.

Because our QB barely ran slower than him?

Who's saying this btw? We'll see how fast he is in a few months.

What I read an hour ago that just set me off (again)

Dazz Newsome's Route Running
There is no question about the North Carolina receiver's speed. That's because he's not fast. He ran a 4.59-second 40-yard dash. However, he plays the game at a faster speed and the scouting reports say he runs excellent pass patterns. If he's unable to get open at a camp like this weekend's then he could have problems adapting to the tougher competition at this level. Also, some questions have arisen over whether he actually got open in college so much because the Tar Heels offense had so many weapons defenses couldn't devote much attention to him. This wouldn't be the case with the Bears

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/bears/.amp/news/all-eyes-on-justin-fields-at-bears-rookie-minicamp

so why the discrepancy between the 40 times?

[2018C3]

Are you a white man? (I'm a white man BTW, I grew up in Bensenville and live in the city now)

Yes, but don't think that really matters. I'm ready to hear a different perspective on Brian Urlackers comments. I think what he said, many feel this way. It's just not politically correct now a days to say.

I don't mean to be insensitive, but the way I grew up it is hard for me to understand. If someone is committing a crime and resists arrest. I feel that person regardless of color/race is putting themselves in a bad position, and forcing a police officer into another bad position to make a choice they did not want to have to make.

I don't think any police officer wakes up in the morning, and says to themselves, "I want to shoot someone today". That's the absolute last position they would ever want to be put in.

For the most part the rules are super simple "Comply and you go home". If you resist and fight. Then you are responsible for escalating the situation yourself. Your own decisions then places your life in the hands of a stranger who is forced to make a split second decision. Its not at all a intelligent decision to resist or fight with a officer who has a gun.

Call me wimp, but when a officer tells me to do something. I say "Okay", "Yes Sir". I don't try to make there lives more difficult. I also don't always look like the friendliest guy on the planet, so try my best to put put them at ease.

[Susan]

Because our QB barely ran slower than him?

Who's saying this btw? We'll see how fast he is in a few months.

What I read an hour ago that just set me off (again)

Dazz Newsome's Route Running
There is no question about the North Carolina receiver's speed. That's because he's not fast. He ran a 4.59-second 40-yard dash. However, he plays the game at a faster speed and the scouting reports say he runs excellent pass patterns. If he's unable to get open at a camp like this weekend's then he could have problems adapting to the tougher competition at this level. Also, some questions have arisen over whether he actually got open in college so much because the Tar Heels offense had so many weapons defenses couldn't devote much attention to him. This wouldn't be the case with the Bears

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/bears/.amp/news/all-eyes-on-justin-fields-at-bears-rookie-minicamp

so why the discrepancy between the 40 times?

40 times are bunk btw - manual timing is extremely inaccurate (relative to FAT - fully automated timing that they use in track) and pro day times are even less reliable.

[Susan]

Are you a white man? (I'm a white man BTW, I grew up in Bensenville and live in the city now)

Yes, but don't think that really matters. I'm ready to hear a different perspective on Brian Urlackers comments. I think what he said, many feel this way. It's just not politically correct now a days to say.

I don't mean to be insensitive, but the way I grew up it is hard for me to understand. If someone is committing a crime and resists arrest. I feel that person regardless of color/race is putting themselves in a bad position, and forcing a police officer into another bad position to make a choice they did not want to have to make.

I don't think any police officer wakes up in the morning, and says to themselves, "I want to shoot someone today". That's the absolute last position they would ever want to be put in.

For the most part the rules are super simple "Comply and you go home". If you resist and fight. Then you are responsible for escalating the situation yourself. Your own decisions then places your life in the hands of a stranger who is forced to make a split second decision. Its not at all a intelligent decision to resist or fight with a officer who has a gun.

Call me wimp, but when a officer tells me to do something. I say "Okay", "Yes Sir". I don't try to make there lives more difficult.

So, we've heard your experience with the police as a white man. It's maybe not the same as everybody else's experience with the police. Can you see that?

[2018C3]

So, we've heard your experience with the police as a white man. It's maybe not the same as everybody else's experience with the police. Can you see that?

No, not really. Police come in all colors. None of my friends of color I grew up with ever ended up in jail. In high school I had two good black friends that I met though youth group at church and who grew up in Bolingbrook. One of them became a cop himself, and I lost touch with the other guy sometime after college. He moved out of state.

I also have several other current friends who are officers, and all of the ones I know are good people. They have wives, children and families just like everyone else that they want to go home to after work.

The only guy I know who went to prison was white, and he deserved to go. Three Dui's, and caused harm in a crash. He wasn't a bad guy, but made repeated stupid decisions. I no longer keep in touch, but I'm sure if he was tracked down he would even tell you that.

[Chi town]

So, we've heard your experience with the police as a white man. It's maybe not the same as everybody else's experience with the police. Can you see that?

No, not really. Police come in all colors. None of my friends of color I grew up with ever ended up in jail. In high school I had two good black friends that I met though youth group at church and who grew up in Bolingbrook. One of them became a cop himself, and I lost touch with the other guy sometime after college. He moved out of state.

I also have several other current friends who are officers, and all of the ones I know are good people. They have wives, children and families just like everyone else that they want to go home to after work.

The only guy I know who went to prison was white, and he deserved to go. Three Dui's, and caused harm in a crash.

Not digging up Urlacher’s comments. Briggs went off about it in a post game and even tried to talk it out with him. Bears have distanced themselves from him too.

Not looking to have the police racial discussion. Have had dozens of these with people of all colors and backgrounds.

Appreciate your tone and transparency. Just emotionally exhausted.

[fleet]

Because our QB barely ran slower than him?

Who's saying this btw? We'll see how fast he is in a few months.

What I read an hour ago that just set me off (again)

Dazz Newsome's Route Running
There is no question about the North Carolina receiver's speed. That's because he's not fast. He ran a 4.59-second 40-yard dash. However, he plays the game at a faster speed and the scouting reports say he runs excellent pass patterns. If he's unable to get open at a camp like this weekend's then he could have problems adapting to the tougher competition at this level. Also, some questions have arisen over whether he actually got open in college so much because the Tar Heels offense had so many weapons defenses couldn't devote much attention to him. This wouldn't be the case with the Bears

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/bears/.amp/news/all-eyes-on-justin-fields-at-bears-rookie-minicamp

so why the discrepancy between the 40 times?

I believe the 4.38 was his pro day time. Id add them up and divide by 2.

[Bulls69]

Are you a white man? (I'm a white man BTW, I grew up in Bensenville and live in the city now)

Yes, but don't think that really matters. I'm ready to hear a different perspective on Brian Urlackers comments. I think what he said, many feel this way. It's just not politically correct now a days to say.

I don't mean to be insensitive, but the way I grew up it is hard for me to understand. If someone is committing a crime and resists arrest. I feel that person regardless of color/race is putting themselves in a bad position, and forcing a police officer into another bad position to make a choice they did not want to have to make.

I don't think any police officer wakes up in the morning, and says to themselves, "I want to shoot someone today". That's the absolute last position they would ever want to be put in.

For the most part the rules are super simple "Comply and you go home". If you resist and fight. Then you are responsible for escalating the situation yourself. Your own decisions then places your life in the hands of a stranger who is forced to make a split second decision. Its not at all a intelligent decision to resist or fight with a officer who has a gun.

Call me wimp, but when a officer tells me to do something. I say "Okay", "Yes Sir". I don't try to make there lives more difficult. I also don't always look like the friendliest guy on the planet, so try my best to put put them at ease.

It's easy for you to say the police are not the judge,the juror and the executioner the convicted cop had 19 right ups and he should have been fired years ago. I have a brother who's a retired Chicago cop and my best friend is a Illinois State Trooper so I'm not anti police but I'm anti bad cop nine minutes and twenty nine seconds on a person neck is murder.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

So, we've heard your experience with the police as a white man. It's maybe not the same as everybody else's experience with the police. Can you see that?

No, not really. Police come in all colors. None of my friends of color I grew up with ever ended up in jail. In high school I had two good black friends that I met though youth group at church and who grew up in Bolingbrook. One of them became a cop himself, and I lost touch with the other guy sometime after college. He moved out of state.

I also have several other current friends who are officers, and all of the ones I know are good people. They have wives, children and families just like everyone else that they want to go home to after work.

The only guy I know who went to prison was white, and he deserved to go. Three Dui's, and caused harm in a crash. He wasn't a bad guy, but made repeated stupid decisions. I no longer keep in touch, but I'm sure if he was tracked down he would even tell you that.

Just like any subset of people, 95% of cops are good, normal, decent human beings. And there's also some a-holes. The issue is that those a-holes have the power of life and death in their hands while also having seemingly little consequences to their actions.

[dice]

So, we've heard your experience with the police as a white man. It's maybe not the same as everybody else's experience with the police. Can you see that?

No, not really. Police come in all colors. None of my friends of color I grew up with ever ended up in jail. In high school I had two good black friends that I met though youth group at church and who grew up in Bolingbrook. One of them became a cop himself, and I lost touch with the other guy sometime after college. He moved out of state.

I also have several other current friends who are officers, and all of the ones I know are good people. They have wives, children and families just like everyone else that they want to go home to after work.

The only guy I know who went to prison was white, and he deserved to go. Three Dui's, and caused harm in a crash. He wasn't a bad guy, but made repeated stupid decisions. I no longer keep in touch, but I'm sure if he was tracked down he would even tell you that.

Just like any subset of people, 95% of cops are good, normal, decent human beings. And there's also some a-holes. The issue is that those a-holes have the power of life and death in their hands while also having seemingly little consequences to their actions.

and police unions protect the hell out of 'em. it's true that too many bad teachers keep their jobs. it's even more true that too many bad cops get to keep their jobs. with even more potentially serious consequences

the best thing about the chauvin trial was that cops crossed the not-so-thin blue line. maybe even more so than the verdict

[dice]

So, we've heard your experience with the police as a white man. It's maybe not the same as everybody else's experience with the police. Can you see that?

No, not really. Police come in all colors. None of my friends of color I grew up with ever ended up in jail.

i appreciate much of what you're sharing, but it's just factually true that far more black people are both detained by police and are sent to jail. the reasons for that are complicated, but let's not pretend that it's not true

and of course everyone should heed the instructions of police (in just about every circumstance). what's at issue is the appropriate response to someone who doesn't

[dice]

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i averaged a couple of vegas odds sites to come up with a preseason "power rankings." bears have 21st best odds (or 12th worst, if you will). here are the rankings of bears opponents and my predictions:

at rams (4.5) loss
cincy (29) win
at browns (7.5) upset win!
lions (31) upset loss!
at raiders (25) upset win!
packers (7.5) upset win! (bears at 4-2)
at bucs (2) loss
san fran (6) loss
at steelers (19) loss

bye week - justin fields takes the reins w/ bears at 4-5

ravens (4) loss
at lions (31) win
cards (18) upset loss
at pack (7.5) loss
vikings (20) win
at seahawks (12) loss
giants (26) upset loss
at vikings (20) loss

6-11 as fields struggles a bit as expected in half a season as a rookie starter. 15.9 average oppt. ranking (slightly tougher than average) and 9 road games vs 8 home

[Hold That]

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i averaged a couple of vegas odds sites to come up with a preseason "power rankings." bears have 21st best odds (or 12th worst, if you will). here are the rankings of bears opponents and my predictions:

at rams (4.5) loss
cincy (29) win
at browns (7.5) upset win!
lions (31) upset loss!
at raiders (25) upset win!
packers (7.5) upset win! (bears at 4-2)
at bucs (2) loss
san fran (6) loss
at steelers (19) loss

bye week - justin fields takes the reins w/ bears at 4-5

ravens (4) loss
at lions (31) win
cards (18) upset loss
at pack (7.5) loss
vikings (20) win
at seahawks (12) loss
giants (26) upset loss
at vikings (20) loss

6-11 as fields struggles a bit as expected in half a season as a rookie starter. 15.9 average oppt. ranking (slightly tougher than average) and 9 road games vs 8 home

I guaruntee you the media nor the fan base will allow Nagy or Pace to wait 9 games until Fields start. Regardless of what they say about the Mahomes model. Mahomes didn’t come in with the amount of hype fields came in with. And Alex Smith actually lead the chiefs to the playoffs and had some equity built with the franchise. I guaruntee Dalton won’t be able to have 3 losses let alone 5. Hell the media is already calling for Fields to start week 1. Remember Nagy and pace are on the hot seat, so regardless of what they’re saying right now about bringing fields along slowly. Take it with a grain of salt. Fields will be starter by week 4 at the latest.

Hell he might even be starter by week 3. It’s not about the losses more than it is about how we would be losing. If Dalton is throwing 2-3INTs a game it’s not going to take 9 games to get Fields in there. Especially with Fans,national media and local media all watching closely and waiting to overreact. This isn’t Kansas City pre Mahomes era, this is Chicago, our spotlight is different.

[dice]

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i averaged a couple of vegas odds sites to come up with a preseason "power rankings." bears have 21st best odds (or 12th worst, if you will). here are the rankings of bears opponents and my predictions:

at rams (4.5) loss
cincy (29) win
at browns (7.5) upset win!
lions (31) upset loss!
at raiders (25) upset win!
packers (7.5) upset win! (bears at 4-2)
at bucs (2) loss
san fran (6) loss
at steelers (19) loss

bye week - justin fields takes the reins w/ bears at 4-5

ravens (4) loss
at lions (31) win
cards (18) upset loss
at pack (7.5) loss
vikings (20) win
at seahawks (12) loss
giants (26) upset loss
at vikings (20) loss

6-11 as fields struggles a bit as expected in half a season as a rookie starter. 15.9 average oppt. ranking (slightly tougher than average) and 9 road games vs 8 home

I guaruntee you the media nor the fan base will allow Nagy or Pace to wait 9 games until Fields start.

they will if the team starts off well

Remember Nagy and pace are on the hot seat, so regardless of what they’re saying right now about bringing fields along slowly. Take it with a grain of salt.

so wait, they want to win?!

that means starting dalton unless fields beats him out in training camp. and keeping dalton until the playoffs look unlikely

Hell he might even be starter by week 3. It’s not about the losses more than it is about how we would be losing. If Dalton is throwing 2-3INTs a game it’s not going to take 9 games to get Fields in there.

well of course not

if fields doesn't come in at week 4 to face a couple of soft opponents, he's probably not seeing the field 'till the break

[Hold That]

so wait, they want to win?!

So wait you expect Dalton to make us winners and upset teams like the Packers and browns?

that means starting dalton unless fields beats him out in training camp. and keeping dalton until the playoffs look unlikely

If fields doesn’t beat out Dalton that doesn’t mean we will start off hot that means the bears are in trouble.

well of course not

if fields doesn't come in at week 4 to face a couple of soft opponents, he's probably not seeing the field 'till the break

Again it’s andy Dalton check out his track record, throwing 2-3 INTs is normal for him. Putting on a bears jersey won’t change much. On top of the fact hes a freaking statue in the pocket, we still don’t know what our OLine looks like. Atleast fields has legs and can make something out of nothing.

In order for us to even start off hot for us to have Dalton as our QB that means our defense would have to be a top 5 defense those first couple of weeks. That’s asking ALOT.

What’s funny is when Dalton was QB1 before the draft nobody had this type of optimism. Now all of sudden with fields holding a clip board on the sideline we could possibly start off hot.

[Jcool0]

I think, based on my conversations before and after the draft, the Bears have to be ecstatic they got Justin Fields at No. 11. And that’s because a lot of his fall was circumstantial. Before the draft, I had a handful of teams that either weren’t going to be in position to take Fields, or didn’t have a need at quarterback, who had the Ohio State quarterback as the second guy in the class. Then, if you look at the Panthers’ and Broncos’ decisions coming down to their respective top defensive players in the class vs. Fields (which I think is where both those teams were), and you look at the Bengals’ wanting to add one of the draft’s very elite (precluding a trade down), Miami’s having already moved up to No. 6 and Sewell’s falling into the Lions’ laps, you’ll see how the slide from No. 5 to No. 9 happened. From there, Dallas wasn’t going to trade back further than a few spots, because of the dropoff in talent in the class in the mid-teens, and that brings you to the Giants at No. 11, the spot the Bears (who’d talked to Dallas) wound up trading into. So add it up and you had six teams that either weren’t taking a quarterback, or would’ve picked Fields if they had, that didn’t want to move down. Good fortune for Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy, and now we’ll see how it plays out.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/05/10/mmqb-brad-holmes-dan-campbell-lions-overhaul-draft-reaction

[dougthonus]

I think, based on my conversations before and after the draft, the Bears have to be ecstatic they got Justin Fields at No. 11. And that’s because a lot of his fall was circumstantial. Before the draft, I had a handful of teams that either weren’t going to be in position to take Fields, or didn’t have a need at quarterback, who had the Ohio State quarterback as the second guy in the class. Then, if you look at the Panthers’ and Broncos’ decisions coming down to their respective top defensive players in the class vs. Fields (which I think is where both those teams were), and you look at the Bengals’ wanting to add one of the draft’s very elite (precluding a trade down), Miami’s having already moved up to No. 6 and Sewell’s falling into the Lions’ laps, you’ll see how the slide from No. 5 to No. 9 happened. From there, Dallas wasn’t going to trade back further than a few spots, because of the dropoff in talent in the class in the mid-teens, and that brings you to the Giants at No. 11, the spot the Bears (who’d talked to Dallas) wound up trading into. So add it up and you had six teams that either weren’t taking a quarterback, or would’ve picked Fields if they had, that didn’t want to move down. Good fortune for Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy, and now we’ll see how it plays out.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/05/10/mmqb-brad-holmes-dan-campbell-lions-overhaul-draft-reaction

QB is an interesting position because there are guys who move the needle and guys who don't. If Fields doesn't move the needle, even if he's fine or passable, then this is probably a mistake. If he moves the needle, the price is almost irrelevant and its awesome.

Good to see other teams liked him too, but it's not like other positions where you can get someone who ends up being an average caliber starter and it isn't the best but still helps you because you always need depth. If you drafted the 50th best linebacker in the league, it'd always be valuable. If a QB isn't a future top 10 guy then he probably has no real value at all.

[Jcool0]

I think, based on my conversations before and after the draft, the Bears have to be ecstatic they got Justin Fields at No. 11. And that’s because a lot of his fall was circumstantial. Before the draft, I had a handful of teams that either weren’t going to be in position to take Fields, or didn’t have a need at quarterback, who had the Ohio State quarterback as the second guy in the class. Then, if you look at the Panthers’ and Broncos’ decisions coming down to their respective top defensive players in the class vs. Fields (which I think is where both those teams were), and you look at the Bengals’ wanting to add one of the draft’s very elite (precluding a trade down), Miami’s having already moved up to No. 6 and Sewell’s falling into the Lions’ laps, you’ll see how the slide from No. 5 to No. 9 happened. From there, Dallas wasn’t going to trade back further than a few spots, because of the dropoff in talent in the class in the mid-teens, and that brings you to the Giants at No. 11, the spot the Bears (who’d talked to Dallas) wound up trading into. So add it up and you had six teams that either weren’t taking a quarterback, or would’ve picked Fields if they had, that didn’t want to move down. Good fortune for Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy, and now we’ll see how it plays out.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/05/10/mmqb-brad-holmes-dan-campbell-lions-overhaul-draft-reaction

QB is an interesting position because there are guys who move the needle and guys who don't. If Fields doesn't move the needle, even if he's fine or passable, then this is probably a mistake. If he moves the needle, the price is almost irrelevant and its awesome.

Good to see other teams liked him too, but it's not like other positions where you can get someone who ends up being an average caliber starter and it isn't the best but still helps you because you always need depth. If you drafted the 50th best linebacker in the league, it'd always be valuable. If a QB isn't a future top 10 guy then he probably has no real value at all.

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