NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21)

[dygaction]

1. Embid
2. Curry
3. Jokic

Embiid is not in first place stop it. It's Joker.

Leave that Nets Ballboy alone. They don't even have a horse in the race but just enjoy stirring things up a bit

[Nuthin But Net]

1. Embid
2. Curry
3. Jokic

Embiid is not in first place stop it. It's Joker.

Leave that Nets Ballboy alone. They don't even have a horse in the race but just enjoy stirring things up a bit

Haven’t seen this many guys brainwashed since the Branch Davidian days .
“Yes master, I’ll vote for whoever you tell me to”

[Infinite Llamas]

Embiid is not in first place stop it. It's Joker.

Leave that Nets Ballboy alone. They don't even have a horse in the race but just enjoy stirring things up a bit

Haven’t seen this many guys brainwashed since the Branch Davidian days .
“Yes master, I’ll vote for whoever you tell me to”

No, it’s more like people are reluctant to vote for a guy that put up 0/0/0/0/0 about 20 times this year. Not really a flattering stat line tbh

[DCasey91]

Leave that Nets Ballboy alone. They don't even have a horse in the race but just enjoy stirring things up a bit

Haven’t seen this many guys brainwashed since the Branch Davidian days .
“Yes master, I’ll vote for whoever you tell me to”

No, it’s more like people are reluctant to vote for a guy that put up 0/0/0/0/0 about 20 times this year. Not really a flattering stat line tbh

His come back hasn’t been great either tbh. I mean he barely qualifies to be a stat leader while Jokic has been gunning it all year. I mean it sucks but Jokic should be unanimous everyone else just doesn’t have a good or even great case to be fair.

[Impuniti]

Haven’t seen this many guys brainwashed since the Branch Davidian days .
“Yes master, I’ll vote for whoever you tell me to”

No, it’s more like people are reluctant to vote for a guy that put up 0/0/0/0/0 about 20 times this year. Not really a flattering stat line tbh

His come back hasn’t been great either tbh. I mean he barely qualifies to be a stat leader while Jokic has been gunning it all year. I mean it sucks but Jokic should be unanimous everyone else just doesn’t have a good or even great case to be fair.

Lets uhh.. keep UMVP to legendary seasons only. Joker has great but nowhere near that.

[GSP]

This is surely over

Its been over but Jokic is -2000 right now

Rudy is -1600 for Dpoy

Randle is -5000 for Mip

Clarkson is -1000 for 6moy

Lamelo is -750 for Roy

The Clarkson line is way too wide IMO but the 6moy award is basically the bench player with the highest Ppg award and given the history of the award for players like Crawford hes gonna win it

[Oscar9992]

Just my opinion:
MVP - Jokic
Player of the Year - Embiid, followed by Curry.

[DaFan334]

Just my opinion:
MVP - Jokic
Player of the Year - Embiid, followed by Curry.

WTF is Player of the Year?

[The Rebel]

Just my opinion:
MVP - Jokic
Player of the Year - Embiid, followed by Curry.

WTF is Player of the Year?

Another way for uneducated people to minimize the season that Jokic is having. Just like the whole he only is going to win because of health, when Jokic has been clearly better than those 2 when their actual play all season is looked at and not just a couple of weeks when they were hot.

[Archx]

Embiid is not in first place stop it. It's Joker.

Leave that Nets Ballboy alone. They don't even have a horse in the race but just enjoy stirring things up a bit

Haven’t seen this many guys brainwashed since the Branch Davidian days .
“Yes master, I’ll vote for whoever you tell me to”

This is straight from ESPN article which i 100% agree with.

There is really no case for anyone but Jokic. He leads most advanced statistics that measure per-minute production -- some by a lot -- and has played more minutes than any major candidate.

If you have any basketball knowledge i think at this point it's clear Jokic is undisputed MVP. Even result wise, Philly basically have the same result as Denver and are also in the Eastern conference. And Curry barely has GSW in the playoffs, well technically, play in tournament is NOT considered being in the playoffs yet.

[sunsbg]

Wish I had put more money @20 odds for Jokic winning the MVP, but there is still enough for a bottle or two of good whiskey. Cheers for Joker's MVP.

[Colbinii]

Just my opinion:
MVP - Jokic
Player of the Year - Embiid, followed by Curry.

WTF is Player of the Year?

Another way for uneducated people to minimize the season that Jokic is having. Just like the whole he only is going to win because of health, when Jokic has been clearly better than those 2 when their actual play all season is looked at and not just a couple of weeks when they were hot.

Actually player of the year is a different discussion than MVP.

MVP is a regular season award based on who had the best regular season.

Player of the Year is an award, which can be defined as you like, but I view it as "Who would you prefer to have for a championship run, including regular season".

If you listen to some of the better basketball podcasts like Dunc'd On, they have been covering this difference frequently over the past 2 weeks.

It has nothing to do with undermining Jokic. Jokic is clearly the MVP at this point for most as he should be. However, if someone like Embiid is better on a per-minute basis, perhaps he is a better candidate for Player of the Year if he can manage to stay healthy during the post-season.

[Kurtz]

WTF is Player of the Year?

Another way for uneducated people to minimize the season that Jokic is having. Just like the whole he only is going to win because of health, when Jokic has been clearly better than those 2 when their actual play all season is looked at and not just a couple of weeks when they were hot.

Actually player of the year is a different discussion than MVP.

MVP is a regular season award based on who had the best regular season.

Player of the Year is an award, which can be defined as you like, but I view it as "Who would you prefer to have for a championship run, including regular season".

If you listen to some of the better basketball podcasts like Dunc'd On, they have been covering this difference frequently over the past 2 weeks.

It has nothing to do with undermining Jokic. Jokic is clearly the MVP at this point for most as he should be. However, if someone like Embiid is better on a per-minute basis, perhaps he is a better candidate for Player of the Year if he can manage to stay healthy during the post-season.

I don't want to delve too deeply into semantics, but by every logical conception, MVP is synonymous with player of the year.

Now if what you're talking about is being able to pick 1 guy for a playoff run, then that's a little different, but the only answer for that one is the same as it has been for a decade+ and that's Lebron. No one is as impactful as playoff Lebron.

[Colbinii]

Another way for uneducated people to minimize the season that Jokic is having. Just like the whole he only is going to win because of health, when Jokic has been clearly better than those 2 when their actual play all season is looked at and not just a couple of weeks when they were hot.

Actually player of the year is a different discussion than MVP.

MVP is a regular season award based on who had the best regular season.

Player of the Year is an award, which can be defined as you like, but I view it as "Who would you prefer to have for a championship run, including regular season".

If you listen to some of the better basketball podcasts like Dunc'd On, they have been covering this difference frequently over the past 2 weeks.

It has nothing to do with undermining Jokic. Jokic is clearly the MVP at this point for most as he should be. However, if someone like Embiid is better on a per-minute basis, perhaps he is a better candidate for Player of the Year if he can manage to stay healthy during the post-season.

I don't want to delve too deeply into semantics, but by every logical conception, MVP is synonymous with player of the year.

It isn't, let me try to explain.

Embiid has been better on a per-minute basis than Jokic. Embiid has played enough minutes where his team is in playoff contention because of his play, even when accounting for his missed time. This isn't some Kevin Durant thing where he has played less than half of the games on the season.

If the Goal of this year were to win a championship, a strong case could be made for Embiid ahead of Jokic because of the above mentioned statement but in no way has Embiid had more impact over the course of the entire regular season than Jokic--nobody has.

LeBron is also different, he has missed 27 games and there is a good chance if Vogel wasn't a good coach, the Lakers miss the post-season entirely this year (especially with Davis' missed time as well).

[Nuthin But Net]

Leave that Nets Ballboy alone. They don't even have a horse in the race but just enjoy stirring things up a bit

Haven’t seen this many guys brainwashed since the Branch Davidian days .
“Yes master, I’ll vote for whoever you tell me to”

This is straight from ESPN article which i 100% agree with.

There is really no case for anyone but Jokic. He leads most advanced statistics that measure per-minute production -- some by a lot -- and has played more minutes than any major candidate.

If you have any basketball knowledge i think at this point it's clear Jokic is undisputed MVP. Even result wise, Philly basically have the same result as Denver and are also in the Eastern conference. And Curry barely has GSW in the playoffs, well technically, play in tournament is NOT considered being in the playoffs yet.

Denver is in 4th place and probably doesn’t make it past the first of second round. MVPs should be from 1st place teams.

[ecogen]

It isn't, let me try to explain.

Embiid has been better on a per-minute basis than Jokic.

No.

[Kurtz]

Actually player of the year is a different discussion than MVP.

MVP is a regular season award based on who had the best regular season.

Player of the Year is an award, which can be defined as you like, but I view it as "Who would you prefer to have for a championship run, including regular season".

If you listen to some of the better basketball podcasts like Dunc'd On, they have been covering this difference frequently over the past 2 weeks.

It has nothing to do with undermining Jokic. Jokic is clearly the MVP at this point for most as he should be. However, if someone like Embiid is better on a per-minute basis, perhaps he is a better candidate for Player of the Year if he can manage to stay healthy during the post-season.

I don't want to delve too deeply into semantics, but by every logical conception, MVP is synonymous with player of the year.

It isn't, let me try to explain.

Embiid has been better on a per-minute basis than Jokic. Embiid has played enough minutes where his team is in playoff contention because of his play, even when accounting for his missed time. This isn't some Kevin Durant thing where he has played less than half of the games on the season.

If the Goal of this year were to win a championship, a strong case could be made for Embiid ahead of Jokic because of the above mentioned statement but in no way has Embiid had more impact over the course of the entire regular season than Jokic--nobody has.

LeBron is also different, he has missed 27 games and there is a good chance if Vogel wasn't a good coach, the Lakers miss the post-season entirely this year (especially with Davis' missed time as well).

I think that any argument that relies on a per36 is an extremely weak argument. Even so, Jokic and Embiid per36 numbers are close this season - 27/11/9 on 57% vs 33/12/3 on 52%.

And if the goal is to win a championship, again there are a number of players you'd consider ahead of both of those guys - starting with Lebron. It's not as if Embiid has been a particularly dominant playoff guy - his playoff numbers are again inferior to Jokic and a plethora of other players.

[Colbinii]

It isn't, let me try to explain.

Embiid has been better on a per-minute basis than Jokic.

No.

We all have our own opinions and I'm sure we have all spend weeks gathering information, including statistical and video profiles for these players.

I think we can both agree on the topic of this thread, MVP, and that Jokic should win MVP.

[BelgradeNugget]

Haven’t seen this many guys brainwashed since the Branch Davidian days .
“Yes master, I’ll vote for whoever you tell me to”

This is straight from ESPN article which i 100% agree with.

There is really no case for anyone but Jokic. He leads most advanced statistics that measure per-minute production -- some by a lot -- and has played more minutes than any major candidate.

If you have any basketball knowledge i think at this point it's clear Jokic is undisputed MVP. Even result wise, Philly basically have the same result as Denver and are also in the Eastern conference. And Curry barely has GSW in the playoffs, well technically, play in tournament is NOT considered being in the playoffs yet.

Denver is in 4th place and probably doesn’t make it past the first of second round. MVPs should be from 1st place teams.

The best player from the best team like Rudy Gobert?

[Colbinii]

I don't want to delve too deeply into semantics, but by every logical conception, MVP is synonymous with player of the year.

It isn't, let me try to explain.

Embiid has been better on a per-minute basis than Jokic. Embiid has played enough minutes where his team is in playoff contention because of his play, even when accounting for his missed time. This isn't some Kevin Durant thing where he has played less than half of the games on the season.

If the Goal of this year were to win a championship, a strong case could be made for Embiid ahead of Jokic because of the above mentioned statement but in no way has Embiid had more impact over the course of the entire regular season than Jokic--nobody has.

LeBron is also different, he has missed 27 games and there is a good chance if Vogel wasn't a good coach, the Lakers miss the post-season entirely this year (especially with Davis' missed time as well).

I think that any argument that relies on a per36 is an extremely weak argument. Even so, Jokic and Embiid per36 numbers are close this season - 27/11/9 on 57% vs 33/12/3 on 52%.

Who has an argument based on per-36 minutes?

My argument nothing to do with per-36.

I think that Embiid's 1563 minutes are better, on a per-minute basis, than Jokic's 2445 on a per-minute basis. The difference is clearly Jokic playing 60% more minutes and Embiis isn't close to being 60% better than Jokic.

And if the goal is to win a championship, again there are a number of players you'd consider ahead of both of those guys - starting with Lebron. It's not as if Embiid has been a particularly dominant playoff guy - his playoff numbers are again inferior to Jokic and a plethora of other players.

But LeBron has missed 7 more games than Embiid but more importantly hasn't played at a level near Jokic or Embiid so far this season, even on a per-minute basis.

You bring up a view point different than Jokic is the GOAT in this thread and get buried alive. See yall later.