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Re: A Tech Guy with a Jumper - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#801 » by TheNetsFan » Thu May 13, 2021 9:14 pm

andrewww wrote:https://www.netsdaily.com/2021/5/13/22434305/sprung-spencer-dinwiddie-hopes-to-return-to-play-in-june-wants-to-remain-a-net

He's targeting a late June return which is in line with the ECF.

It's too risky to bring him in for the final 2 rounds. I hope he's available, but he'll be an end of bench guy barring injury, or a specific need for ball handling & scoring minutes. I just can't see Nash having more confidence in Dinwiddie coming off of a 6 month hiatus straight into Championship level competition than James, Shamet, Johnson & Brown who have been playing all year. I know I wouldn't.
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Re: A Tech Guy with a Jumper - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#802 » by therealbig3 » Thu May 13, 2021 9:18 pm

Honest question, other than paying luxury tax (which is a legit reason, but it's not our money), what is the downside of giving Spencer the max if he asks for it?

Does it prevent us from signing another player or something? Because we're already into the luxury tax, that money would otherwise just not be spent and we'd be stuck signing minimum contracts that aren't anywhere close to as good as Dinwiddie.
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Post#803 » by MrDollarBills » Thu May 13, 2021 9:23 pm

Retaining Brown and Blake are much more important this offseason than giving Spencer 20 million per.

He absolutely should go out and get his money and I am happy for him, he worked hard for his big pay day.
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Re: A Tech Guy with a Jumper - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#804 » by MrDollarBills » Thu May 13, 2021 9:25 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:
andrewww wrote:https://www.netsdaily.com/2021/5/13/22434305/sprung-spencer-dinwiddie-hopes-to-return-to-play-in-june-wants-to-remain-a-net

He's targeting a late June return which is in line with the ECF.

It's too risky to bring him in for the final 2 rounds. I hope he's available, but he'll be an end of bench guy barring injury, or a specific need for ball handling & scoring minutes. I just can't see Nash having more confidence in Dinwiddie coming off of a 6 month hiatus straight into Championship level competition than James, Shamet, Johnson & Brown who have been playing all year. I know I wouldn't.


Nash has not sounded enthusiastic at all about the idea of him playing. 1) as a former player, he could be thinking that Spencer is risking his career and 2) Spencer really hasn't been around and things are different now with Harden running the show.
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Re: A Tech Guy with a Jumper - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#805 » by LOUiS-D » Fri May 14, 2021 5:43 am

therealbig3 wrote:Honest question, other than paying luxury tax (which is a legit reason, but it's not our money), what is the downside of giving Spencer the max if he asks for it?

Does it prevent us from signing another player or something? Because we're already into the luxury tax, that money would otherwise just not be spent and we'd be stuck signing minimum contracts that aren't anywhere close to as good as Dinwiddie.


HoopsHype wrote:When a club uses the bi-annual exception, acquires a player via sign-and-trade, or uses more than the taxpayer portion ($5,718,000) of the mid-level exception, that club will face a hard cap for the remainder of the league year.

When a team becomes hard-capped, it cannot exceed the “tax apron” at any point during the rest of the league year. The tax apron was set $6MM above the luxury tax line in 2017/18 (the first year of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement) and creeps up a little higher each time the cap increases. For the 2020/21 league year, the tax apron – and hard cap for certain clubs – is set at $138,928,000.

So we're on the books for 154M next season (not including Din's PO), way over the tax apron. But it seems like half the league gets itself hard capped every season and you can still sign players to vet min contracts (Lakers added Drummond after using their bi-annual exception on Matthews and the NTMLE on Harrell)...

It looks like it's far and away a money problem with a minor burden of reduced flexibility that's already kind of implied by limits of the exceptions available to you as a luxury tax team.

The Nets have Brown's full bird rights, he might end up costing a pretty penny depending on the offers he receives. The most we can offer Blake is the TMLE at 6M and we'll probably have to spend every cent of that on him and he'll still have to want to return.
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Re: A Tech Guy with a Jumper - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#806 » by LOUiS-D » Fri May 14, 2021 6:17 am

Worth noting that without dumping salary the Nets won't avoid being out of the top tax rate bracket at 20M over the 136M 20-21 Luxury Tax threshold. That's $3.75 + $0.50 per $5 million per excess dollar.

Ok... so starting at 154M (without Din's salary) adding 20M for Din's new contract taking us to 174M. That's 38M over luxury tax, meaning $3.75 + (38/5(rounds down to 7) * $0.50) = $7.25 per dollar over LT. Din's 20M contract costs 145M in tax.

It's 3 out of 4 for the repeater to kick in, which adds an additional dollar (4.75 + $0.50 per 5M). This year was our first year over luxury tax (within the past 4 seasons).

heads up I'm an idiot and the NBA changes its cap rules and figures all the time, so I could be off wildly on my numbers.
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Re: A Tech Guy with a Jumper - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#807 » by GTR11 » Fri May 14, 2021 7:04 am

If we give both Brown and Din their money and Blake takes an mMLE ...

Tsai looking at 250+/- bill plus taxes. Repeater taxes are cruel and double triple up.

With all that said, I can't see Din walking unless he wants starting gig. Tsai thus far been honest to his word. Someone proves me wrong and I'll go from there.

We have bird rights to players that going to be essential to us.

We need to dump DJ contract though.
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Re: A Tech Guy with a Jumper - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#808 » by MrDollarBills » Fri May 14, 2021 1:01 pm

There is zero reason to resign Spencer. I'm sorry.

If we win the title, Brown and Blake will probably have huge roles in us doing so and management will retain them over Spencer.
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Re: A Tech Guy with a Jumper - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#809 » by HardenGoat » Fri May 14, 2021 5:15 pm

Iam thinking they do a sign and trade to generate an exception. No way he is staying but they both want to do each other right. The exception is a valuable insurance policy, look what happened to GSW. They can use it to resign our players or upgrade Jordan.
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Re: A Tech Guy with a Jumper - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#810 » by GYK » Sat May 15, 2021 8:10 am

Spencer is most likely gone. Flipping him and DJ for a rebounder is the most important thing for this team long term. Top 10 in opponent eFG% but 2nd in 2nd chance points. If the team can secure defensive rebounds they jump into an elite status as a defense.
Should have moved him at the deadline but it’s not the most backbreaking move. Long as the team needs are clear to management.

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