Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder

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Believing that John Wall would be "running around" anywhere is simply delusional. The man hasn't been "running around" for past 5 years.
For Houston to ensure the tank, all they have to do is leave him on the floor - so IMO this is legit health concern.
Just looking at this, this trade has been an enourmous win for Wizards.

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A lot of really terrible takes in this thread. Wizards clearly won the trade. Wall is a shell of his former self, and his jumper is still average. Westbrook has turned himself into a positive asset. The problem is the Wizards lack 3-point shooting so we can't give Russ the spacing he needs.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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Hard not so see how we didnt/dont win this trade in a landslide.

I don't see how giving up a draft pick for a 32 year old statpadder is a win for the Wizards. But hey, I guess whatever can be perceived as a win for Wizards fans is good enough for certain members of the fanbase.

I’m curious. Do you still feel the same way about Westbrook?

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Russel Westbrook has finally surpassed Michael "the next Michael Irvin" Westbrook for most-loved DC athlete.

[WallToWall]

This was a good sell high-ish, buy low-ish trade, and the Wizards clearly won. Westbrook, if he played like he has the last 20 games, was worth more than 1 first round pick. If we were to figure his trade value now, I'd say at least 2 firsts. I don't think HOU can say they are getting their money's worth out of Wall, but we can say we are getting money's worth out of Westbrook. That said, i am a Wall fan and I want to see him succeed, even end his career back here.

[nate33]

This was a good sell high-ish, buy low-ish trade, and the Wizards clearly won. Westbrook, if he played like he has the last 20 games, was worth more than 1 first round pick. If we were to figure his trade value now, I'd say at least 2 firsts. I don't think HOU can say they are getting their money's worth out of Wall, but we can say we are getting money's worth out of Westbrook. That said, i am a Wall fan and I want to see him succeed, even end his career back here.

If we had waited for the first 10 or so games of the season before making the trade, we probably could have made it straight up. They just had to show that John Wall was healthy. So in that respect, it wasn't a perfect "sell high" trade.

We still won the trade, but could have won it by more.

It's too bad that nearly all the contenders have already traded away their future picks. Now would be an excellent time to sell high on both Westbrook and Beal. But there aren't any buyers with good assets.

[pcbothwel]

Over the last 45 games, Russ is averaging 24 / 12.5 / 13 with a ORtg/DRtg of 108 / 108 and an almost 3:1 AST:TOV ratio....
In that span, he has been better at 32 than at ANY 1 year of Walls Career outside maybe 16/17. That is incredible.

I dont know what this core will attain in the next 2 post seasons... but we are watching enjoyable basketball and if a few stars align (Good coach, Healthy/improved Bryant, improved Rui/Deni, healthy Russ/Beal, etc.) Then we might be in store for 50 win season and home court in the playoffs next year given our talent base and Russ's relentlessness during the regular season.

[TGW]

Hard not so see how we didnt/dont win this trade in a landslide.

I don't see how giving up a draft pick for a 32 year old statpadder is a win for the Wizards. But hey, I guess whatever can be perceived as a win for Wizards fans is good enough for certain members of the fanbase.

I’m curious. Do you still feel the same way about Westbrook?

Of course. Nothing has changed. The team's culture is still based on feelings and emotions and not actual meaningful wins. They've beaten up on teams that were either missing their best player or flat out tanking, which is why they've been able to go from the fifth worst team to about the 12th worst team in the NBA. A few weeks ago, we were debating who we were taking with a top 5 pick.

I imagine that they're going to maybe make the playoffs after the play-in games, and then get swept out (or maybe win one game) of the playoffs. At that point you're left with a middling first round pick, a strong possibility Brooks is extended, and another year of Westbrook's contract on the books. It's not hard to see that the Wizards are going to be losers for the next few years if they continue down this path.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't see how giving up a draft pick for a 32 year old statpadder is a win for the Wizards. But hey, I guess whatever can be perceived as a win for Wizards fans is good enough for certain members of the fanbase.

I’m curious. Do you still feel the same way about Westbrook?

Of course. Nothing has changed. The team's culture is still based on feelings and emotions and not actual meaningful wins. They've beaten up on teams that were either missing their best player or flat out tanking, which is why they've been able to go from the fifth worst team to about the 12th worst team in the NBA. A few weeks ago, we were debating who we were taking with a top 5 pick.

I imagine that they're going to maybe make the playoffs after the play-in games, and then get swept out (or maybe win one game) of the playoffs. At that point you're left with a middling first round pick, a strong possibility Brooks is extended, and another year of Westbrook's contract on the books. It's not hard to see that the Wizards are going to be losers for the next few years if they continue down this path.

I do not think they’re going to make the playoffs. I think they are going to lose the next two games including this one again Charlotte.

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I can't help but think we'd be a better 3 point shooting team with Wall at point guard. Wall was always a perimeter focused passer while Russ is always passing towards the basket. Kickouts and skip passes seem inherently more valuable because they stretch the floor. Especially against the Sixers you can't effectively pass the ball towards the hoop.

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Wall always had a knack for angling the ball with loft and accuracy. I'm not saying the Wizards would be a better team, but better at the 3 possibly. I recall Russ's Thunder teams were terrible at 3 point shooting too. I don't know, maybe the data contradicts all of this.

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Confirms Brad pretty much signed off on it, which is w/e in hindsight but yea. It's probably better he was traded before the home town fans had to witness his decline here.

You know GM's have to be hands off in a way so hearing Tommy was two-faced about the situation isn't surprising, but it's just weird how the organization will suck the nuts off of some of our home grown guy, overpay the hell out of em, etc, then just go ghost out of nowhere lol. Happened to Otto too.

I wish John would learn how to be a roleplayer at this point, but his career is declining significantly at this rate. Some of it's physical, but a lot of it's due to basketball IQ stuff that goes back as far as everybody eats.

[Kanyewest]

Confirms Brad pretty much signed off on it, which is w/e in hindsight but yea. It's probably better he was traded before the home town fans had to witness his decline here.

You know GM's have to be hands off in a way so hearing Tommy was two-faced about the situation isn't surprising, but it's just weird how the organization will suck the nuts off of some of our home grown guy, overpay the hell out of em, etc, then just go ghost out of nowhere lol. Happened to Otto too.

I wish John would learn how to be a roleplayer at this point, but his career is declining significantly at this rate. Some of it's physical, but a lot of it's due to basketball IQ stuff that goes back as far as everybody eats.

I'm not sure if Brad signed off on it but he could probably see that Wall was on thin ice. It seemed like Wall didn't give a good apology to the organization based on this interview- I understand it wasn't that big of a deal but it's another thing to say that to the person who writes your checks.

I think the party incident was the tipping point - not to mention that he missed a good portion of 3-4 seasons. Plus Westbrook wanting out facilitated a trade that the Wizards don't regret at the moment given they still have Kuzma who is outproducing Wall. You could argue even Monte Morris is having a better season.

[FAH1223]

Confirms Brad pretty much signed off on it, which is w/e in hindsight but yea. It's probably better he was traded before the home town fans had to witness his decline here.

You know GM's have to be hands off in a way so hearing Tommy was two-faced about the situation isn't surprising, but it's just weird how the organization will suck the nuts off of some of our home grown guy, overpay the hell out of em, etc, then just go ghost out of nowhere lol. Happened to Otto too.

I wish John would learn how to be a roleplayer at this point, but his career is declining significantly at this rate. Some of it's physical, but a lot of it's due to basketball IQ stuff that goes back as far as everybody eats.

I'm not sure if Brad signed off on it but he could probably see that Wall was on thin ice. It seemed like Wall didn't give a good apology to the organization based on this interview- I understand it wasn't that big of a deal but it's another thing to say that to the person who writes your checks.

I think the party incident was the tipping point - not to mention that he missed a good portion of 3-4 seasons. Plus Westbrook wanting out facilitated a trade that the Wizards don't regret at the moment given they still have Kuzma who is outproducing Wall. You could argue even Monte Morris is having a better season.

I laughed out loud when John described how Russ was in his DMs asking for his phone number so that he could find out what was going on.

[Dat2U]

Confirms Brad pretty much signed off on it, which is w/e in hindsight but yea. It's probably better he was traded before the home town fans had to witness his decline here.

You know GM's have to be hands off in a way so hearing Tommy was two-faced about the situation isn't surprising, but it's just weird how the organization will suck the nuts off of some of our home grown guy, overpay the hell out of em, etc, then just go ghost out of nowhere lol. Happened to Otto too.

I wish John would learn how to be a roleplayer at this point, but his career is declining significantly at this rate. Some of it's physical, but a lot of it's due to basketball IQ stuff that goes back as far as everybody eats.

Yeah. Wall left DC still loved. Had he stayed here, that love might have faded with the significant decline is his game. And lets not act like his last 2 years here were anything but terribly disappointing. Those cheers would have eventually flipped to boos.

In retrospect, him staying would have forced the Wizards to rebuild in 2020 instead of having that meaningless play-in run with Russ. Imagine how different things could have been. We could have drafted Deni with the 4th pick instead of drafting Deni with the 9th pick. #missedopportunities

[nate33]

In retrospect, him staying would have forced the Wizards to rebuild in 2020 instead of having that meaningless play-in run with Russ. Imagine how different things could have been. We could have drafted Deni with the 4th pick instead of drafting Deni with the 9th pick. #missedopportunities

Didn't the futile Westbrook run ruin the tank in the following season? Westbrook resulted in us landing Kispert instead of, say, Wagner or Barnes.

[Kanyewest]

In retrospect, him staying would have forced the Wizards to rebuild in 2020 instead of having that meaningless play-in run with Russ. Imagine how different things could have been. We could have drafted Deni with the 4th pick instead of drafting Deni with the 9th pick. #missedopportunities

Didn't the futile Westbrook run ruin the tank in the following season? Westbrook resulted in us landing Kispert instead of, say, Wagner or Barnes.

Yup- rookie Deni played with Westbrook.

[FAH1223]

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