Jalen Harris Discussion

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He is a rfa
Plus sjnce he is 2way raps can qualify him with a 2 way contract so his cap hold will be negligible.

Yep, zero chance a team makes Harris any kind of competitive offer given a) the uncertainty around his game and b) his RFA status.

Why not? The Thunder have a ton of cap room. Why not offer Harris like 20M over 3 years if they think he's a genuine scorer.

I think they could give out what they gave Gabriel Deck, $3,870,370 - $3,676,852 - $3,483,334 - $3,483,334 (Team Option)

[rrdjutriurt]

I chose Jalen as the the Raptor most likely to surprise early in the year. Unfortunately with only a 14 game G-League season he never really got much of an opportunity. The guy is shifty as hell and a natural scorer. The kind of guy that plays the game at their own speed and because of natural ability excel doing so. His ability too calmly change speeds as well as direction to blow by defenses is uncanny and seldom ever seen in a rookie. Defensively he doesn't appear afraid to stick his head into the wheelhouse of much taller and bigger players either. Total steal considering he was chosen very late in the second round.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

^^i wa surprised at how quick his 3 point release it. He’s always ready to shoot

[YogurtProducer]

What do you mean? You aren't trying to tell us that Dort, Poku and Horford have value around the league are you? Because they don't.

SGA is the only good player in that group. Poku and Dort are young but they aren't good players right now.

You’re trying to tell me Poku and Dort DONT have value???!!! Come on man just keep proving you haven’t watched a non raptors game all year

Horford also proved in OKC he’s still a good player.

And Horford is making 30m a year until 2023.

And you're trying to tell me that he has value? What team would be crazy enough to trade for a 35 year old Horford who will make 60 million dollars over the next two years?

I seem to recall us doing that with Gasol 2 years ago.

[YogurtProducer]

What do you mean? You aren't trying to tell us that Dort, Poku and Horford have value around the league are you? Because they don't.

SGA is the only good player in that group. Poku and Dort are young but they aren't good players right now.

You’re trying to tell me Poku and Dort DONT have value???!!! Come on man just keep proving you haven’t watched a non raptors game all year

Horford also proved in OKC he’s still a good player.

What kind of value do they have?

They aren't good players right now. You need to stop overrating these guys. These guys are young and could develop into good players in the future but right now they aren't.

Dort is good - end of story.

[Los_29]

You’re trying to tell me Poku and Dort DONT have value???!!! Come on man just keep proving you haven’t watched a non raptors game all year

Horford also proved in OKC he’s still a good player.

And Horford is making 30m a year until 2023.

And you're trying to tell me that he has value? What team would be crazy enough to trade for a 35 year old Horford who will make 60 million dollars over the next two years?

I seem to recall us doing that with Gasol 2 years ago.

Terrible example. There was a huge market for Gasol and he was one of the main reasons why we won the championship. Meanwhile, the Sixers had to throw in draft picks just to get rid of Horford. There is absolutely no market for Horford. If there was a market for him, why on earth would OKC still be holding onto him?

The numbers do not suggest Dort is a good player right now. I'm not saying he won't be a good player in the future but right now he isn't good.

[douggood]

lol at anyone predicting harris will get anything more than the minimum.

[deeps6x]

Watch on YouTube

Nice video.

Only one problem. I didn't learn anything about the Dallas announcers kids. WTF is up with that?

#FireLeo

[WuTang_CMB]

He still needs a full year of burn in the g league

[C_Money]

He still needs a full year of burn in the g league

Thats nonsense. His scoring is at an NBA level already. He won’t learn jack sh*t going up against G League scrubs.

[deeps6x]

Also, my predictions.

GTJ will get >$12M/yr from us. He only had two great 30 pt(+) games, but he has showed a lot of potential. I think we need to keep him and find out just how good he can become.

Harris will get Stan Johnson money from us. If Harris would take $12M from us on a four year deal, with the fourth year a team option, I'd lock him up. He can spend a couple years learning to play D, then become a great bargain for the next two years. We definitely need his O ability on the backup squad. If he wants to bet on himself, offer him $7M on a 3 year deal, no player option for the third year.

Stan Johnson will get Harris money from someone else. LOL. Actually, I have no idea what Stan will get, or if the team will bring him back on a cheap(er) deal. His D was not bad this year. He was OK as an end of the bench kind of player. Useful in limited minutes / certain situations. I'd offer Stan something like $1.5 to $1.8M/yr. Oh crap, I just realized we were paying Stanimal 3.8M this season. I thought it was only 3M. Wow.

edit: maybe some ass will want to update their signature with more current predictions from me.

[WuTang_CMB]

He still needs a full year of burn in the g league

Thats nonsense. His scoring is at an NBA level already. He won’t learn jack sh*t going up against G League scrubs.

Nah. He’s shown good flashes but its end of the year and the basketball isnt as competitive. People over rating him. He still needs a full year in the g league and to be first option.

[tecumseh18]

Also, my predictions.

GTJ will get >$12M/yr from us. He only had two great 30 pt(+) games, but he has showed a lot of potential. I think we need to keep him and find out just how good he can become.

Harris will get Stan Johnson money from us. If Harris would take $12M from us on a four year deal, with the fourth year a team option, I'd lock him up. He can spend a couple years learning to play D, then become a great bargain for the next two years. We definitely need his O ability on the backup squad. If he wants to bet on himself, offer him $7M on a 3 year deal, no player option for the third year.

Stan Johnson will get Harris money from someone else. LOL. Actually, I have no idea what Stan will get, or if the team will bring him back on a cheap(er) deal. His D was not bad this year. He was OK as an end of the bench kind of player. Useful in limited minutes / certain situations. I'd offer Stan something like $1.5 to $1.8M/yr. Oh crap, I just realized we were paying Stanimal 3.8M this season. I thought it was only 3M. Wow.

edit: maybe some ass will want to update their signature with more current predictions from me.

I don't think the team is committed to Trent. If we draft Jalen Green or even, uh, Jalen Suggs (hmm, popular name from 20 years ago), then what the hell is the point of paying Trent major money?

But otherwise, yeah, GTJ is probably worth bringing back for anything less than 15 mill just to see how he developers. Or as a trade asset down the road. It's nice to have those middle salaries on expendable players. Some Portland fans at the time of the trade said he had all-star potential.

I was thinking that Stan could be brought back on a Bembry-type deal, if only because he's always entertaining to watch. And maybe ... someday ... he'll actually pull it all together and become a useful rotation player. He's a hard worker, so there's always a chance. The Dallas announcers last night were mocking Stan's shooting, but they had to admire his strength when he just bullied his way to the basket in the fourth quarter.

[Son Goku 25]

Had no idea his game was this smooth. The guy moves around like he's floating out there. Smooth game and nice ball handling, shooting.. guess he dropped likely due to his size but he's pretty athletic too.

[HomieOmey]

I don't think the team is committed to Trent. If we draft Jalen Green or even, uh, Jalen Suggs (hmm, popular name from 20 years ago), then what the hell is the point of paying Trent major money?

Trade asset.

We have already seen how incredibly hard it is to improve when your team is at the cap. Use our cap space, sign GTJ whatever the cost.

Keeping Lowry and not trading Powell for guarenteed cheaper assets gave us no choice but to re-sign GTJ. If we luck into a prospect we absolutely love, we can then maybe use GTJ (and other pieces) to make a move for an improvement at center (Like Tuner?). GTJ is still young, so we would have some time to worry about finding the right deal for GTJ or whoever later because we definitely need to build back our assets.

[YogurtProducer]

And Horford is making 30m a year until 2023.

And you're trying to tell me that he has value? What team would be crazy enough to trade for a 35 year old Horford who will make 60 million dollars over the next two years?

I seem to recall us doing that with Gasol 2 years ago.

Terrible example. There was a huge market for Gasol and he was one of the main reasons why we won the championship. Meanwhile, the Sixers had to throw in draft picks just to get rid of Horford. There is absolutely no market for Horford. If there was a market for him, why on earth would OKC still be holding onto him?

The numbers do not suggest Dort is a good player right now. I'm not saying he won't be a good player in the future but right now he isn't good.

Yeah an excellent defender who buddy finished a season averages 14/4/2 as a defense first player is terrible!

It would take a good prospect or picks to get Dort. You just don’t understand how this works apparently.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

why do we even need cap space? When's the last time we even signed a go0d player in free agency? i can't recall
in ujiri's tenure unless i'm missing someone. rather have gary trent than another Carroll. yikes

[Psubs]

Also, my predictions.

GTJ will get >$12M/yr from us. He only had two great 30 pt(+) games, but he has showed a lot of potential. I think we need to keep him and find out just how good he can become.

Harris will get Stan Johnson money from us. If Harris would take $12M from us on a four year deal, with the fourth year a team option, I'd lock him up. He can spend a couple years learning to play D, then become a great bargain for the next two years. We definitely need his O ability on the backup squad. If he wants to bet on himself, offer him $7M on a 3 year deal, no player option for the third year.

Stan Johnson will get Harris money from someone else. LOL. Actually, I have no idea what Stan will get, or if the team will bring him back on a cheap(er) deal. His D was not bad this year. He was OK as an end of the bench kind of player. Useful in limited minutes / certain situations. I'd offer Stan something like $1.5 to $1.8M/yr. Oh crap, I just realized we were paying Stanimal 3.8M this season. I thought it was only 3M. Wow.

edit: maybe some ass will want to update their signature with more current predictions from me.

Trent should get Luke Kennard money.

$12,727,273 $13,745,455 $14,763,636 $14,763,636 (team option)

[Los_29]

I seem to recall us doing that with Gasol 2 years ago.

Terrible example. There was a huge market for Gasol and he was one of the main reasons why we won the championship. Meanwhile, the Sixers had to throw in draft picks just to get rid of Horford. There is absolutely no market for Horford. If there was a market for him, why on earth would OKC still be holding onto him?

The numbers do not suggest Dort is a good player right now. I'm not saying he won't be a good player in the future but right now he isn't good.

Yeah an excellent defender who buddy finished a season averages 14/4/2 as a defense first player is terrible!

It would take a good prospect or picks to get Dort. You just don’t understand how this works apparently.

No, you don't know how it works. You said Dort, Poku and Horford are valuable. That is just not true especially Al Horford. Then you had the nerve to compare him to Marc Gasol. Gasol was traded for JV and Delon. Meanwhile, the Sixers had to throw in draft picks just to get out of his contract. If Horford was so valuable why would the Sixers who are trying to win the championship trade him? Then why would a rebuilding team in OKC not trade Horford if he has value? Horford didn't even play the last two months of the year because he was getting rested. Why would they rest him instead of trading him if he had value. The answer is because he has no value.

Yeah, I clearly understand how it works. I'm not the one on here claiming Al Horford is a valuable piece. lol

[Steelo Green]

Also, my predictions.

GTJ will get >$12M/yr from us. He only had two great 30 pt(+) games, but he has showed a lot of potential. I think we need to keep him and find out just how good he can become.

Harris will get Stan Johnson money from us. If Harris would take $12M from us on a four year deal, with the fourth year a team option, I'd lock him up. He can spend a couple years learning to play D, then become a great bargain for the next two years. We definitely need his O ability on the backup squad. If he wants to bet on himself, offer him $7M on a 3 year deal, no player option for the third year.

Stan Johnson will get Harris money from someone else. LOL. Actually, I have no idea what Stan will get, or if the team will bring him back on a cheap(er) deal. His D was not bad this year. He was OK as an end of the bench kind of player. Useful in limited minutes / certain situations. I'd offer Stan something like $1.5 to $1.8M/yr. Oh crap, I just realized we were paying Stanimal 3.8M this season. I thought it was only 3M. Wow.

edit: maybe some ass will want to update their signature with more current predictions from me.

Trent will get 15+

He just rejected 4/54

The issue is also that another team could throw an offer to him and force the Raptors hand to match it.

Again - Trent is a decent player, but what he does is found around the league, for cheaper, and is not as special as people want to believe. Joe Harris just made 4/75 (also overpaid) as a better shooter.

Trent is a complimentary piece, not a cornerstone. He can have a 40 point game, then follow it up with a 2 point game, which is the hallmark of a streaky shooter.

By almost every advanced metric, he is average at best. The whole age thing is the only thing people have to defend him.

With OG for example, you could say he is 22 and improving along with the fact he was an advanced stats darling, which is why seeing his linear growth is expected. I don't see the same with Trent, and we essentially will be capped out with a bench SG as our starter.