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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#421 » by RookieStar » Sat May 15, 2021 8:22 am

CZ Eddie wrote:When did Isaac get his "official" position title changed from Small Forward to Power Forward?
It was SF when he entered the league but I just noticed he's listed as a PF on all the major sites now.
Do we think he's going to be the starting power forward next year?

I know he's played both spots a lot but thought SF was going to be it for him going forward.


because if you are 6'11 at worst, 7ft at best with a 240lb body, and can move laterally as quick as most forwarfs but can also bang everybody in the league outside of the most physical C named Jokic,Embiid,Vuc etc.. what else could you be?
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#422 » by Skin » Sat May 15, 2021 9:32 am

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CZ Eddie wrote:When did Isaac get his "official" position title changed from Small Forward to Power Forward?
It was SF when he entered the league but I just noticed he's listed as a PF on all the major sites now.
Do we think he's going to be the starting power forward next year?

I know he's played both spots a lot but thought SF was going to be it for him going forward.


because if you are 6'11 at worst, 7ft at best with a 240lb body, and can move laterally as quick as most forwarfs but can also bang everybody in the league outside of the most physical C named Jokic,Embiid,Vuc etc.. what else could you be?

If Isaac ever plays SF again, he will get broken beyond repair. Way too much shake and bake required that his knees can't handle.
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#423 » by Blue_and_Whte » Sat May 15, 2021 11:42 am

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The Effect wrote:see im not big on kuminga at all, but i think if youre looking at the draft in set of tiers, id say theres a clear cut top 5 and kuminga is 5th there and i personally see him as a 3/4 Tweener, and really if you think of Okeke as a PF (i dont), then we literally dont have a starting caliber SF on the roster, and if you do think of okeke as a SF, we dont have any depth behind our "franchise player" who happens to be the most fragile player in the NBA

The reason i propose that idea is that if we do infact get green ( :pray: ), that would leave us with
Fultz | Cole | RJ
Green | Harris| Ross | RJ

Personally id much rather trade away ross and\or harris, but if the warriors are looking to rebuild, they will want a younger G

I dont know why people are so high on Green and Kuminga. Green i understand more becouse he is a freak athlete but there is almost no good role for him on a contender. He better work on his 3 pointer. He can have great stats and even be all star but right now his game doesnt contribute to winning that much. ( obviously can develop).
Kuminga feels like Gordon with better handle but worse defense. He is not even in tier 2 of the draft for me.

Green is in play for the 2nd pick easily. Supposedly he has a strong work ethic which is what I keep hearing.
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#424 » by zaymon » Sat May 15, 2021 1:54 pm

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The Effect wrote:see im not big on kuminga at all, but i think if youre looking at the draft in set of tiers, id say theres a clear cut top 5 and kuminga is 5th there and i personally see him as a 3/4 Tweener, and really if you think of Okeke as a PF (i dont), then we literally dont have a starting caliber SF on the roster, and if you do think of okeke as a SF, we dont have any depth behind our "franchise player" who happens to be the most fragile player in the NBA

The reason i propose that idea is that if we do infact get green ( :pray: ), that would leave us with
Fultz | Cole | RJ
Green | Harris| Ross | RJ

Personally id much rather trade away ross and\or harris, but if the warriors are looking to rebuild, they will want a younger G

I dont know why people are so high on Green and Kuminga. Green i understand more becouse he is a freak athlete but there is almost no good role for him on a contender. He better work on his 3 pointer. He can have great stats and even be all star but right now his game doesnt contribute to winning that much. ( obviously can develop).
Kuminga feels like Gordon with better handle but worse defense. He is not even in tier 2 of the draft for me.

Green is in play for the 2nd pick easily. Supposedly he has a strong work ethic which is what I keep hearing.

You cant be first option with his level of reading the game and passing. Almost zero percent he gets there, he shows no signs.
His likely outcome is overrated second option. Streaky shooting and below average defense. Thats not a good skill set for second option.
He is still great prospect but i wouldnt take him above Suggs and Mobley who seem to process the game on a higher level.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#425 » by RookieStar » Sat May 15, 2021 9:11 pm

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CZ Eddie wrote:When did Isaac get his "official" position title changed from Small Forward to Power Forward?
It was SF when he entered the league but I just noticed he's listed as a PF on all the major sites now.
Do we think he's going to be the starting power forward next year?

I know he's played both spots a lot but thought SF was going to be it for him going forward.


because if you are 6'11 at worst, 7ft at best with a 240lb body, and can move laterally as quick as most forwarfs but can also bang everybody in the league outside of the most physical C named Jokic,Embiid,Vuc etc.. what else could you be?

If Isaac ever plays SF again, he will get broken beyond repair. Way too much shake and bake required that his knees can't handle.


Yeah.. although didn't he injure himself doing that Euro move on offense?
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#426 » by pepe1991 » Sun May 16, 2021 8:02 am

zaymon wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
zaymon wrote:I dont know why people are so high on Green and Kuminga. Green i understand more becouse he is a freak athlete but there is almost no good role for him on a contender. He better work on his 3 pointer. He can have great stats and even be all star but right now his game doesnt contribute to winning that much. ( obviously can develop).
Kuminga feels like Gordon with better handle but worse defense. He is not even in tier 2 of the draft for me.

Green is in play for the 2nd pick easily. Supposedly he has a strong work ethic which is what I keep hearing.

You cant be first option with his level of reading the game and passing. Almost zero percent he gets there, he shows no signs.
His likely outcome is overrated second option. Streaky shooting and below average defense. Thats not a good skill set for second option.
He is still great prospect but i wouldnt take him above Suggs and Mobley who seem to process the game on a higher level.


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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#427 » by axl_c_cool » Sun May 16, 2021 11:37 am

What is everyone's current Big Boards?

For talent mine is

Cunningham
Mobley
Suggs
Green
Kuminga

For fit mine is

Mobley
Cunningham
Green
Suggs
Kuminga

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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#428 » by zaymon » Sun May 16, 2021 12:24 pm

Cunningham
Mobley
Suggs

Giddey
Barnes
Green

Wagner
Springer
Bouknight
Kuminga
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#429 » by Bensational » Sun May 16, 2021 1:31 pm

(Talent)
Cunningham
Suggs
Green
Ayo
Mobley

Sengun
Kuminga
Springer
Giddey
Barnes
Moody
Johnson

Likely to shift a lot after the top 5 up until the draft.
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#430 » by Anti Chalmers » Sun May 16, 2021 2:37 pm

Cunningham
Green
Suggs
Mobley
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#431 » by VFX » Sun May 16, 2021 2:53 pm

axl_c_cool wrote:What is everyone's current Big Boards?

For fit mine is

Mobley
Cunningham
Green
Suggs
Kuminga

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You think Mobley is the best fit, amongst the top 5, for Orlando?
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#432 » by pepe1991 » Sun May 16, 2021 4:06 pm

Talent / Potential board is something like :

Cade, Green, Kuminga, Mobley, Suggs, Jalen Johnson imo
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#433 » by Def Swami » Sun May 16, 2021 4:21 pm

1. Cade
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Green

Big drop off
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#434 » by The Effect » Sun May 16, 2021 4:34 pm

zaymon wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
zaymon wrote:I dont know why people are so high on Green and Kuminga. Green i understand more becouse he is a freak athlete but there is almost no good role for him on a contender. He better work on his 3 pointer. He can have great stats and even be all star but right now his game doesnt contribute to winning that much. ( obviously can develop).
Kuminga feels like Gordon with better handle but worse defense. He is not even in tier 2 of the draft for me.

Green is in play for the 2nd pick easily. Supposedly he has a strong work ethic which is what I keep hearing.

You cant be first option with his level of reading the game and passing. Almost zero percent he gets there, he shows no signs.
His likely outcome is overrated second option. Streaky shooting and below average defense. Thats not a good skill set for second option.
He is still great prospect but i wouldnt take him above Suggs and Mobley who seem to process the game on a higher level.

SO let me get this straight....An 19 year old, who is rated as one of the best SG prospects to come out in years, lit up the G league and has a top level work ethic WILL NEVER IMPROVE??
this easily one of the most asinine comments ive ever read on this, or any bball board.
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#435 » by VFX » Sun May 16, 2021 4:42 pm

Talent and fit:

Suggs
Cade
Green
Mobley
Kuminga

Bulls pick:

Kispert
Moody
Giddey
Dosunmu
Bouknight
Wagner
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Post#436 » by Message Boar » Sun May 16, 2021 4:55 pm

^care to elaborate on why you'd go with Suggs over Cade? Not saying I disagree necessarily, but it seems like a bit of an outlier opinion.
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#437 » by pepe1991 » Sun May 16, 2021 5:52 pm

The Effect wrote:
zaymon wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Green is in play for the 2nd pick easily. Supposedly he has a strong work ethic which is what I keep hearing.

You cant be first option with his level of reading the game and passing. Almost zero percent he gets there, he shows no signs.
His likely outcome is overrated second option. Streaky shooting and below average defense. Thats not a good skill set for second option.
He is still great prospect but i wouldnt take him above Suggs and Mobley who seem to process the game on a higher level.

SO let me get this straight....An 19 year old, who is rated as one of the best SG prospects to come out in years, lit up the G league and has a top level work ethic WILL NEVER IMPROVE??
this easily one of the most asinine comments ive ever read on this, or any bball board.


Tbh SG is by far least impacful nba positions there is . The best SG in nba is who really? Beal, healthy Thompson?

There is lot of Zach Lavine in Green. Is that bad outcome of draft ? Not really. But probably not player that will be your lead guy to wins.
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#438 » by axl_c_cool » Sun May 16, 2021 6:16 pm

Yeah, I think WCJ are Bamba peak at starters and we have 3 prospects in the backcourt. There is also no guarantee we resign WCJ or Bamba
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axl_c_cool wrote:What is everyone's current Big Boards?

For fit mine is

Mobley
Cunningham
Green
Suggs
Kuminga

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You think Mobley is the best fit, amongst the top 5, for Orlando?


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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#439 » by zaymon » Sun May 16, 2021 6:25 pm

The Effect wrote:
zaymon wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Green is in play for the 2nd pick easily. Supposedly he has a strong work ethic which is what I keep hearing.

You cant be first option with his level of reading the game and passing. Almost zero percent he gets there, he shows no signs.
His likely outcome is overrated second option. Streaky shooting and below average defense. Thats not a good skill set for second option.
He is still great prospect but i wouldnt take him above Suggs and Mobley who seem to process the game on a higher level.

SO let me get this straight....An 19 year old, who is rated as one of the best SG prospects to come out in years, lit up the G league and has a top level work ethic WILL NEVER IMPROVE??
this easily one of the most asinine comments ive ever read on this, or any bball board.


Well everything feels asinine when you have trouble reading. Maybe start with some elementary school material, it will be easier for you.
I didnt wrote he will never improve, i wrote its not likely given his past performance. Processing the game is propably the most difficult to improve. Ask Lavine who cant even lead a team to play in tournament. What is Green comparison to first option on a contender ? I dont see one.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#440 » by The Effect » Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
The Effect wrote:
zaymon wrote:You cant be first option with his level of reading the game and passing. Almost zero percent he gets there, he shows no signs.
His likely outcome is overrated second option. Streaky shooting and below average defense. Thats not a good skill set for second option.
He is still great prospect but i wouldnt take him above Suggs and Mobley who seem to process the game on a higher level.

SO let me get this straight....An 19 year old, who is rated as one of the best SG prospects to come out in years, lit up the G league and has a top level work ethic WILL NEVER IMPROVE??
this easily one of the most asinine comments ive ever read on this, or any bball board.


Tbh SG is by far least impacful nba positions there is . The best SG in nba is who really? Beal, healthy Thompson?

There is lot of Zach Lavine in Green. Is that bad outcome of draft ? Not really. But probably not player that will be your lead guy to wins.

I understand that, and somewhat disagree, i think the lack of success for SG is slightly 2 fold in that there arent really any good SG around these days outside of guys like harden,beal, booker, thompson, mitchell and SGA so its not surprising that they havent had a ton of success
The other problem is that the league has basically been dominated by Lebron and Curry and so not to many guys have really had championship level success outside of Thompson.
Doesnt mean that they arent vital to a teams success, for years until lebron took over, the nba was SG centric, with guys like kobe and dwade leading their teams to rings multiple times in the 2000s... so really i think its just lebron being better than everyone that has prevented great SG from leading their teams to wins

But none of that is relevant to my point in my post. My problem is someone thinking an 18 year had peaked and will never reach a certain point or develop skills past 18. To say any 18-19 year old kids cant develop a feel for the game or improve his passing is beyond moronic, especially when its a strong minded, driven kid. Most people dont even know which way is up when their 18 and someone thinks that someone has peaked at that area at 18? get real

Go show me Kawhi at 18 and tell me has court vision or playmaking ability. I was at most of his games at sdsu and let me tell you, that guy was clueless on offense, but he worked on his game and became elite. I can make a list a mile long about players with the same story

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