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Post#41 » by eyeatoma » Mon May 17, 2021 9:55 pm

On one hand I worry about the time off, getting the team out of rhythm. That being said we didn't seem to have a great rhythm. A benefit though would be the ability to get in some practices. The best part is that any nagging injuries would have an extra week to heal, which is great for all our star players and the bench mob. We should be as close to 100% as possible once the playoffs roll. A 100% Jo is the best player in the league.
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Post#42 » by Embiid P » Mon May 17, 2021 10:18 pm

In order to be the best, you have to beat the best. That's what playoffs are all about, no?
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Post#43 » by kuclas » Mon May 17, 2021 11:09 pm

No excuses for this team. One full week off to heal. Roster is healthy.

Home court. Anything below ecf is a disaster. Can they handle the pressure.
2018 inexperience and no home court. Ok excuse
2019 lose in 7 games on the road on last second shot ok excuse
2020 getting swept. Team bad fit plus Simmons injured ok excused
2021…no excuse
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Post#44 » by DCasey91 » Mon May 17, 2021 11:28 pm

I advocate for Ben to drop 10-15 pounds like what Embiid did.

Reason 1. He was a naturally big guy for his height (Legs, torso) I’d like to see him back to his rookie playing weight.

Reason 2. Because his game is predicated on his athleticism shedding unnecessary weight will help in the long term. He lacks verticality when guarded dropping some weight will be an advantage to him.
Less injuries worries to on the knee.

Reason 3. I understand the added weight to get stronger for defense but we all fill out when we get older. By the time he’s past 25 all those years are going to add up the added weight can become a hinderance rather then an advantage. That goes for Giannis too but different he’s top heavy. Jokic definetly didn’t need the added weight, same with Embiid. When your naturally bulky you don’t need to add more on. Same with Luka

Watching his rookie highlights he was so much more fluid, and moved so much better. Didn’t suffer from sealegs either because of his base. He guarded prime Leonard when he was a lot younger the best so it’s fine to drop some pounds.

Rookie weight or just about is ideal for Ben imo. He had some nice lateral movement in close nowadays I don’t see that in his game, his fluidity isn’t as good.
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Post#45 » by DCasey91 » Mon May 17, 2021 11:35 pm



Moved a lot better back then
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Post#46 » by eyeatoma » Tue May 18, 2021 12:59 am

DCasey91 wrote:I advocate for Ben to drop 10-15 pounds like what Embiid did.

Reason 1. He was a naturally big guy for his height (Legs, torso) I’d like to see him back to his rookie playing weight.

Reason 2. Because his game is predicated on his athleticism shedding unnecessary weight will help in the long term. He lacks verticality when guarded dropping some weight will be an advantage to him.
Less injuries worries to on the knee.

Reason 3. I understand the added weight to get stronger for defense but we all fill out when we get older. By the time he’s past 25 all those years are going to add up the added weight can become a hinderance rather then an advantage. That goes for Giannis too but different he’s top heavy. Jokic definetly didn’t need the added weight, same with Embiid. When your naturally bulky you don’t need to add more on. Same with Luka

Watching his rookie highlights he was so much more fluid, and moved so much better. Didn’t suffer from sealegs either because of his base. He guarded prime Leonard when he was a lot younger the best so it’s fine to drop some pounds.

Rookie weight or just about is ideal for Ben imo. He had some nice lateral movement in close nowadays I don’t see that in his game, his fluidity isn’t as good.


Jo didn't lose weight. He improved his conditioning and started eating right. Ben needs that extra weight to play against bigger players. He's been fine with it, and his moving well again. Players get injured.

There is a lot of things you don't see in Ben's game now days, including his jumper, although he did show a nice turn around a couple of times last week.
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Post#47 » by DCasey91 » Tue May 18, 2021 1:48 am

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DCasey91 wrote:I advocate for Ben to drop 10-15 pounds like what Embiid did.

Reason 1. He was a naturally big guy for his height (Legs, torso) I’d like to see him back to his rookie playing weight.

Reason 2. Because his game is predicated on his athleticism shedding unnecessary weight will help in the long term. He lacks verticality when guarded dropping some weight will be an advantage to him.
Less injuries worries to on the knee.

Reason 3. I understand the added weight to get stronger for defense but we all fill out when we get older. By the time he’s past 25 all those years are going to add up the added weight can become a hinderance rather then an advantage. That goes for Giannis too but different he’s top heavy. Jokic definetly didn’t need the added weight, same with Embiid. When your naturally bulky you don’t need to add more on. Same with Luka

Watching his rookie highlights he was so much more fluid, and moved so much better. Didn’t suffer from sealegs either because of his base. He guarded prime Leonard when he was a lot younger the best so it’s fine to drop some pounds.

Rookie weight or just about is ideal for Ben imo. He had some nice lateral movement in close nowadays I don’t see that in his game, his fluidity isn’t as good.


Jo didn't lose weight. He improved his conditioning and started eating right. Ben needs that extra weight to play against bigger players. He's been fine with it, and his moving well again. Players get injured.

There is a lot of things you don't see in Ben's game now days, including his jumper, although he did show a nice turn around a couple of times last week.



No I watch them both like a hawk, I prefer him to shed some weight. Embiid lost weight due to finally getting fit and taking the off-season seriously. Being lighter doesn’t equate to losing strength, I mean he guarded prime Leonard very well. I just think he is losing fluidity of the movement side of things for me. Once he’s older it’ll do him well

Just looking at the East there’s really only Giannis you would need the extra weight for, and even then against wings and big guards Ben is fine on that front.
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Post#48 » by 76ciology » Tue May 18, 2021 6:24 am

phillynative wrote::oops:
76ciology wrote:If you listen to Bill Simmons. He had a take that I find to be intersting. So he wants the Celts to face the Sixers. Not the Nets, because he doesnt want to lose to a team lead by ex-Celts Kyrie and a team that gave them a bazillion of first round picks and yet they were defeated by them.

If we ever faced the Celts and still lose. My gahd.. lets dodge them in playoff seeding forever
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Just imagine the amount of trolling lol


if that happens, it’s gonna be one of those loses that’s gonna be initiate a complete rebuild :lol:
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Post#49 » by 76ciology » Tue May 18, 2021 6:29 am

DCasey91 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:I advocate for Ben to drop 10-15 pounds like what Embiid did.

Reason 1. He was a naturally big guy for his height (Legs, torso) I’d like to see him back to his rookie playing weight.

Reason 2. Because his game is predicated on his athleticism shedding unnecessary weight will help in the long term. He lacks verticality when guarded dropping some weight will be an advantage to him.
Less injuries worries to on the knee.

Reason 3. I understand the added weight to get stronger for defense but we all fill out when we get older. By the time he’s past 25 all those years are going to add up the added weight can become a hinderance rather then an advantage. That goes for Giannis too but different he’s top heavy. Jokic definetly didn’t need the added weight, same with Embiid. When your naturally bulky you don’t need to add more on. Same with Luka

Watching his rookie highlights he was so much more fluid, and moved so much better. Didn’t suffer from sealegs either because of his base. He guarded prime Leonard when he was a lot younger the best so it’s fine to drop some pounds.

Rookie weight or just about is ideal for Ben imo. He had some nice lateral movement in close nowadays I don’t see that in his game, his fluidity isn’t as good.


Jo didn't lose weight. He improved his conditioning and started eating right. Ben needs that extra weight to play against bigger players. He's been fine with it, and his moving well again. Players get injured.

There is a lot of things you don't see in Ben's game now days, including his jumper, although he did show a nice turn around a couple of times last week.



No I watch them both like a hawk, I prefer him to shed some weight. Embiid lost weight due to finally getting fit and taking the off-season seriously. Being lighter doesn’t equate to losing strength, I mean he guarded prime Leonard very well. I just think he is losing fluidity of the movement side of things for me. Once he’s older it’ll do him well

Just looking at the East there’s really only Giannis you would need the extra weight for, and even then against wings and big guards Ben is fine on that front.


If losing weight can help you develop skills more than just bringing down the ball in halfcourt and transition on OFFENSE, by all means lose some weight. I’d recommend intermittent fasting, which is something I’ve been doing for 5 years already.

Personally, Ben is fine with his conditioning and physique. It may even be the last thing he has to change/improve. Someone has to tell him that he’s already good on defense and it’s better to focus on offense now.

What he has to do is go to the gym and be inspired with guys that is slowly surpassing him in the hierarchy.

Now that Ingram and Randle has proven to be better than Ben. Jordan Clarkson is averaging more points than him. Lonzo Ball is now on his way to be an elite shooter. He’s now in a race with Wiggins. Ben’s ahead so far but the gap is closing.

I wont be surprised if Maxey becomes the team’s LEAD PG in the next season or two.
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Re: The Playoffs Thread 

Post#50 » by DCasey91 » Tue May 18, 2021 7:23 am

76ciology wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
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Jo didn't lose weight. He improved his conditioning and started eating right. Ben needs that extra weight to play against bigger players. He's been fine with it, and his moving well again. Players get injured.

There is a lot of things you don't see in Ben's game now days, including his jumper, although he did show a nice turn around a couple of times last week.



No I watch them both like a hawk, I prefer him to shed some weight. Embiid lost weight due to finally getting fit and taking the off-season seriously. Being lighter doesn’t equate to losing strength, I mean he guarded prime Leonard very well. I just think he is losing fluidity of the movement side of things for me. Once he’s older it’ll do him well

Just looking at the East there’s really only Giannis you would need the extra weight for, and even then against wings and big guards Ben is fine on that front.


If losing weight can help you develop skills more than just bringing down the ball in halfcourt and transition on OFFENSE, by all means lose some weight. I’d recommend intermittent fasting, which is something I’ve been doing for 5 years already.

Personally, Ben is fine with his conditioning and physique. It may even be the last thing he has to change/improve. Someone has to tell him that he’s already good on defense and it’s better to focus on offense now.

What he has to do is go to the gym and be inspired with guys that is slowly surpassing him in the hierarchy.

Now that Ingram and Randle has proven to be better than Ben. Jordan Clarkson is averaging more points than him. Lonzo Ball is now on his way to be an elite shooter. He’s now in a race with Wiggins. Ben’s ahead so far but the gap is closing.

I wont be surprised if Maxey becomes the team’s LEAD PG in the next season or two.


What a small world. Because of my religious upbringing I was fasting for a month once a year for over a decade, now that I’m older I do water fasts daily pretty much the no water gives you headaches early days. The body is a wonderful thing when you don’t fuel it with junk. One small afternoon meal and one evening meal or just one evening meal is fine imo. I do a vegetarian/fruit diet for a whole month once a year. Love fruit anyway it clears out everything. Chilli is awesome like that too never had the flu. Most important though is plenty of water

Anyway with Ben for me he’s just abit too bulky for my liking. Basketball is a short timeframe but highly aerobic so they are leaner than other sports, naturally tall too so the weight difference is noticeable with youngsters and height in general. I dunno I’d rather see him lighter it’ll help his offensive game because he’ll be able to move with more fluidity, the skill thing for him is going to a long time.

Also agree wouldn’t mind Maxey inserted into the starting lineup next year but as a 2guard. Move Ben to his actual spot the 4 and get a vet PG (Lowry?) I do like that setup a lot.
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Post#51 » by 76ciology » Tue May 18, 2021 7:33 am

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No I watch them both like a hawk, I prefer him to shed some weight. Embiid lost weight due to finally getting fit and taking the off-season seriously. Being lighter doesn’t equate to losing strength, I mean he guarded prime Leonard very well. I just think he is losing fluidity of the movement side of things for me. Once he’s older it’ll do him well

Just looking at the East there’s really only Giannis you would need the extra weight for, and even then against wings and big guards Ben is fine on that front.


If losing weight can help you develop skills more than just bringing down the ball in halfcourt and transition on OFFENSE, by all means lose some weight. I’d recommend intermittent fasting, which is something I’ve been doing for 5 years already.

Personally, Ben is fine with his conditioning and physique. It may even be the last thing he has to change/improve. Someone has to tell him that he’s already good on defense and it’s better to focus on offense now.

What he has to do is go to the gym and be inspired with guys that is slowly surpassing him in the hierarchy.

Now that Ingram and Randle has proven to be better than Ben. Jordan Clarkson is averaging more points than him. Lonzo Ball is now on his way to be an elite shooter. He’s now in a race with Wiggins. Ben’s ahead so far but the gap is closing.

I wont be surprised if Maxey becomes the team’s LEAD PG in the next season or two.


What a small world. Because of my religious upbringing I was fasting for a month once a year for over a decade, now that I’m older I do water fasts daily pretty much the no water gives you headaches early days. The body is a wonderful thing when you don’t fuel it with junk. One small afternoon meal and one evening meal or just one evening meal is fine imo. I do a vegetarian/fruit diet for a whole month once a year. Love fruit anyway it clears out everything. Chilli is awesome like that too never had the flu. Most important though is plenty of water

Anyway with Ben for me he’s just abit too bulky for my liking. Basketball is a short timeframe but highly aerobic so they are leaner than other sports, naturally tall too so the weight difference is noticeable with youngsters and height in general. I dunno I’d rather see him lighter it’ll help his offensive game because he’ll be able to move with more fluidity, the skill thing for him is going to a long time.

Also agree wouldn’t mind Maxey inserted into the starting lineup next year but as a 2guard. Move Ben to his actual spot the 4 and get a vet PG (Lowry?) I do like that setup a lot.


He’s not bulky IMO. His size mix of bulk and quickness is actually what makes him special. It allows him to bulldoze his way to the rim (super big for a guy who can’t shoot). It also allows him to defend multiple position. While still having the quickness to defend star guards in the league.

Ben and Jojo duo needs to play with two high scoring combo guards. The type that is natural to jack up around 10 3s in a game.

This is also why both guys are a good fit because both requires exactly the same type of player. And at the same time is a bad fit because each guy isn’t the exact player one require.

Maybe Maxey can one day do it, but right now (current small sample size) Ben and Maxey does not work.

Ben is not a scorer roll man like Blake or Amare.
Ben is a facilitator roll man like Lamar Odom, Draymond Green or Boris Diaw.

You need the high scoring guards to do alot more scoring and Ben to do the facilitating. So maybe if Maxey can keep scoring 20-30 a game he can work.
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Post#52 » by DCasey91 » Tue May 18, 2021 8:11 am

Somehow someway we could get Garland without Ben I’ll be all over like fish to water.

PG - Garland
SG - Maxey
SF - Green
PG - Simmons
C - Embiid

That is perfect. Garland/Maxey will get there 10+ 3pt attempts at minimum, Green 5 and Embiid 3, so pretty much 20 in the starting lineup is plenty good.
Our perimeter doesn’t suffer like with Blazers with Ben and Green and possibly Thybulle off the bench too.

Dont know how you get Garland though. Maybe Sexton/Love for Harris and co is the go. Who knows Morey will work something out in the off-season. I’m not high on Sexton, I reckon Maxey could fill that role with aplomb.
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Post#53 » by HartfordWhalers » Tue May 18, 2021 12:22 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Can also play Indy or the Hornets...


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Post#54 » by Sixersftw » Tue May 18, 2021 10:45 pm

Charlotte, please.
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Post#55 » by stormi » Tue May 18, 2021 10:49 pm

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Post#56 » by Sixersftw » Tue May 18, 2021 11:07 pm

I would say that TJ McConnell is this generation's Steve Nash but TJ isn't Canadian.
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Post#57 » by Stanford » Tue May 18, 2021 11:19 pm

I think the Pacers are good and much scarier than people are giving them credit for
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Post#58 » by Tomjas » Tue May 18, 2021 11:54 pm

Stanford wrote:I think the Pacers are good and much scarier than people are giving them credit for


Yep

Quality roster that has been hammered by injury

More worried about them than other play in teams
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Post#59 » by Kobblehead » Wed May 19, 2021 12:03 am

Man, Hornets look sorry in this game. Three straight years of bad drafts sonning them hard (Monk in 17, Bridges in 18, Washington in 19).
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Post#60 » by Sixerscan » Wed May 19, 2021 12:04 am

Would rather play [team that loses play in game] instead of [team that wins play in game].

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