Was Rosas a Bottom 3 GM This Year?

[Battletrigger]

IF we give Green or Suggs to the warriors YES
If wolves get Green or suggs then NO.

So Rosas's performance is based on ping pong balls.

Of course, he did the trade. And haven't you notice that "ping pong balls" decide so many things in live yet? The details or "in what side of the line falls a ball" is essential.

[KGdaBom]

IF we give Green or Suggs to the warriors YES
If wolves get Green or suggs then NO.

So Rosas's performance is based on ping pong balls.

Of course, he did the trade. And haven't you notice that "ping pong balls" decide so many things in live yet? The details or "in what side of the line falls a ball" is essential.

I hope you're kidding, but it's hard to tell. How good a job somebody did a year ago and how ping pong balls fall now have nothing to do with each other. Of course if we end up getting the #4 pick in this years draft it does make the deal appear worse.

[Killboard]

If you think he signed Ryan, traded a barely protected first for the first half of the season Dlo and knew KAT was going to miss 20 games early in the season he probably is among the worst 3.

If you think Glen was who wanted Ryan, Dlo can sustain his play since he cameback from injury and KAT injury was a fluke, he is nowhere close.

Overall, since he got here got a new coach, turned the roster around and over the last half of the season it seems it's working at respectable levels, specially when it's pretty clear that most of the pieces have the best basketball of their careers ahead of them.

I don't think this season he shoud take much heat because he actually found builidng pieces like Finch, Ant and McDaniels. Next year will be different though.

[younggunsmn]

At the all-star break, when Ant was putting up bottom of the league efficiency stats, yes he was THE worst.
It's always hard to judge when a team wins in the last month of the season, because the bad teams are tanking and the good teams are resting up for the playoffs. But there have been some positives from the coaching change.

There are still some head scratchingly dumb things Rosas did this season.
Not single legit PF on the roster.
Trading a 2nd round pick for ~300 minutes of Ed Davis.
Tossing OKC a future 2nd in the Rubio trade.
Getting fleeced trading down 2 spots for Bolmaro (who also looked awful around the all-star break).
Not getting a rotation big in a draft full of them when you start with 1, 25,28, and 33.

Edwards/Ball/Wiseman, it will take 3 years to sort out who was the right pick.
WIth the way Edwards finished the season, I'm optimistic he turns out the best of the 3.
Ball is more polished at this point, but Edwards physical profile gives him so much more potential.
There may have been a huge missed opportunity to pick up an asset in a trade down because everyone and their mother knew the Warriors badly wanted Wiseman.

So who are the worse GM's?
Detroit? Sacramento? Chicago for overpaying for Vuc and then missing the play in?
Houston passing on Lavert and Jarret Allen in the Harden trade and then getting essentially nothing for Oladipo?
Some GM's who had down years, like in Toronto and Boston, have previously great track records.
New Orleans disappointed, but its hard to argue their Gm is bad when they added so many future picks.

So I'm going to argue Rosas is bottom 5 for sure, with Det, Chicago, and Houston neck and neck for this particular year.

Giving up a 2nd in the deal for Rubio considering he was coming off the best season of his career seemed like a great move.
I was very excited to get Bolmaro and McDaniels. That seemed like a great move to me and I never heard anything about him looking bad around the All Star Break. Which of Edwards, Bolmaro and McDaniels should we have not drafted to get that Rotational big you are talking about? I agree we should have taken advantage of the Warriors in a trade down assuming they would have taken Wiseman anyway, but it takes two to tango.

I love your enthrusiasm, but I think you are expecting too much from Bolmaro.
His value at this point is pretty much tied up in the physical projection.
His shooting numbers were atriocious and he has struggled to get more than garbage time in even spanish league games.
Best case he becomes a Tomas Satoransky type, the kind of guy who gets targeted early 2nd round.

I would have taken Maledon and McDaniels at 25/28 and TIllman or Oturu at 33. When you are playing the lottery, two tickets are better than one and at that point in the draft these guys are lottery tickets.
Maledon and Bolmaro are still a coinflip for me, even as Maledon struggled carrying a heavy load on the OKC tank train.
Rosas clearly either got leveraged by the Knicks to give up way too much in a trade up because they knew who we wanted (loose lips), or made a panic offer when they took the guy he had targeted. Either scenario does not paint him favorably.

He gets credit for McDaniels, but a lot of us armchair GMs here wanted him badly too.

[GopherIt!]

Tbd. The lottery could really shape both his fate and legacy.

Rosas really needs to beat the odds/keep the pick, improve the roster and the team needs to make the playoffs in 2021-22.

[Nick K]

At the all-star break, when Ant was putting up bottom of the league efficiency stats, yes he was THE worst.
It's always hard to judge when a team wins in the last month of the season, because the bad teams are tanking and the good teams are resting up for the playoffs. But there have been some positives from the coaching change.

There are still some head scratchingly dumb things Rosas did this season.
Not single legit PF on the roster.
Trading a 2nd round pick for ~300 minutes of Ed Davis.
Tossing OKC a future 2nd in the Rubio trade.
Getting fleeced trading down 2 spots for Bolmaro (who also looked awful around the all-star break).
Not getting a rotation big in a draft full of them when you start with 1, 25,28, and 33.

Edwards/Ball/Wiseman, it will take 3 years to sort out who was the right pick.
WIth the way Edwards finished the season, I'm optimistic he turns out the best of the 3.
Ball is more polished at this point, but Edwards physical profile gives him so much more potential.
There may have been a huge missed opportunity to pick up an asset in a trade down because everyone and their mother knew the Warriors badly wanted Wiseman.

So who are the worse GM's?
Detroit? Sacramento? Chicago for overpaying for Vuc and then missing the play in?
Houston passing on Lavert and Jarret Allen in the Harden trade and then getting essentially nothing for Oladipo?
Some GM's who had down years, like in Toronto and Boston, have previously great track records.
New Orleans disappointed, but its hard to argue their Gm is bad when they added so many future picks.

So I'm going to argue Rosas is bottom 5 for sure, with Det, Chicago, and Houston neck and neck for this particular year.

Giving up a 2nd in the deal for Rubio considering he was coming off the best season of his career seemed like a great move.
I was very excited to get Bolmaro and McDaniels. That seemed like a great move to me and I never heard anything about him looking bad around the All Star Break. Which of Edwards, Bolmaro and McDaniels should we have not drafted to get that Rotational big you are talking about? I agree we should have taken advantage of the Warriors in a trade down assuming they would have taken Wiseman anyway, but it takes two to tango.

You were all over McD on draft night. I didn't know much about him but since you liked him so much I looked closer and thought he was a steal. Big talent. Good call.

[KGdaBom]

At the all-star break, when Ant was putting up bottom of the league efficiency stats, yes he was THE worst.
It's always hard to judge when a team wins in the last month of the season, because the bad teams are tanking and the good teams are resting up for the playoffs. But there have been some positives from the coaching change.

There are still some head scratchingly dumb things Rosas did this season.
Not single legit PF on the roster.
Trading a 2nd round pick for ~300 minutes of Ed Davis.
Tossing OKC a future 2nd in the Rubio trade.
Getting fleeced trading down 2 spots for Bolmaro (who also looked awful around the all-star break).
Not getting a rotation big in a draft full of them when you start with 1, 25,28, and 33.

Edwards/Ball/Wiseman, it will take 3 years to sort out who was the right pick.
WIth the way Edwards finished the season, I'm optimistic he turns out the best of the 3.
Ball is more polished at this point, but Edwards physical profile gives him so much more potential.
There may have been a huge missed opportunity to pick up an asset in a trade down because everyone and their mother knew the Warriors badly wanted Wiseman.

So who are the worse GM's?
Detroit? Sacramento? Chicago for overpaying for Vuc and then missing the play in?
Houston passing on Lavert and Jarret Allen in the Harden trade and then getting essentially nothing for Oladipo?
Some GM's who had down years, like in Toronto and Boston, have previously great track records.
New Orleans disappointed, but its hard to argue their Gm is bad when they added so many future picks.

So I'm going to argue Rosas is bottom 5 for sure, with Det, Chicago, and Houston neck and neck for this particular year.

Giving up a 2nd in the deal for Rubio considering he was coming off the best season of his career seemed like a great move.
I was very excited to get Bolmaro and McDaniels. That seemed like a great move to me and I never heard anything about him looking bad around the All Star Break. Which of Edwards, Bolmaro and McDaniels should we have not drafted to get that Rotational big you are talking about? I agree we should have taken advantage of the Warriors in a trade down assuming they would have taken Wiseman anyway, but it takes two to tango.

I love your enthrusiasm, but I think you are expecting too much from Bolmaro.
His value at this point is pretty much tied up in the physical projection.
His shooting numbers were atriocious and he has struggled to get more than garbage time in even spanish league games.
Best case he becomes a Tomas Satoransky type, the kind of guy who gets targeted early 2nd round.

I would have taken Maledon and McDaniels at 25/28 and TIllman or Oturu at 33. When you are playing the lottery, two tickets are better than one and at that point in the draft these guys are lottery tickets.
Maledon and Bolmaro are still a coinflip for me, even as Maledon struggled carrying a heavy load on the OKC tank train.
Rosas clearly either got leveraged by the Knicks to give up way too much in a trade up because they knew who we wanted (loose lips), or made a panic offer when they took the guy he had targeted. Either scenario does not paint him favorably.

He gets credit for McDaniels, but a lot of us armchair GMs here wanted him badly too.

You WAY WAY WAY underestimate Bolmaro.

[TheZachAttack]

So Rosas's performance is based on ping pong balls.

Well he was the one that made that trade.

The trade was made expecting a better record this year. Once again we get wrecked by injuries. The trade was bad or good regardless of how the ping pong balls bounce. I was in favor of it at the time. Since the trade Wiggins has played better than I expected and Russell worse. I consider it a bad trade, but maybe needed to be done to make KAT happy. That trade more than made up for by drafting Ant, Bolmaro and McDaniels.

Agreed. You judge the validity of the trade based on when it happened and the likelihood of outcomes. The fact that injuries happen and you have a bottom 10 percentile outcome is an insane way to judge the trade.

[KGdaBom]

If you think he signed Ryan, traded a barely protected first for the first half of the season Dlo and knew KAT was going to miss 20 games early in the season he probably is among the worst 3.

If you think Glen was who wanted Ryan, Dlo can sustain his play since he cameback from injury and KAT injury was a fluke, he is nowhere close.

Overall, since he got here got a new coach, turned the roster around and over the last half of the season it seems it's working at respectable levels, specially when it's pretty clear that most of the pieces have the best basketball of their careers ahead of them.

I don't think this season he shoud take much heat because he actually found builidng pieces like Finch, Ant and McDaniels. Next year will be different though.

Great Post.

[Klomp]

I recently listened to a podcast where one evaluator said he was one of the three worst GMs, but I am not so sure. He may have been last year (Culver, DLo trade), but this ranking is exclusively on his moves this year.

Contracts: Beasley, Juancho, McLaughlin, no RHJ

Draft: Bolmaro, McDaniels, Edwards over LaMelo

Trades: Rubio, Bolmaro, McDaniels for James Johnson, Lessort, Poku, DET 2nd, MIN 2nd. Ed Davis for Spellman, Evans, 2nd

No Trade at the Deadline

Hiring Chris Finch

The only way I could agree with their sentiment is if I felt there needed to be an added sense of urgency to make big moves because of the Russell trade. But I don't necessarily feel that was the case.

I'd rather have a GM make no moves than make bad moves.

[karch34]

I tried to separate the pieces as much as I could

First year mixed results in hindsight but idea was right if outcome wasn't:
-Moved 11 and Saric expecting to get Garland. Had to make the deal before the draft per PHX so when Garland gone he had to audible. That hasn't worked in hindsight as Culver has been ineffective and keeping Saric and drafting Clarke fixes the PF problem. Though idea was right with trying to get PG of the future.

-Our 1st and 2nd picks this year plus Wiggins for DLo. Don't think we expected after the move a season like this that might cause pick to end up in high lottery this year. That said I think right move for PG of the future, Wiggins wasn't a core piece moving forward, and few thought he could be moved without including a lot more. Has worked out when DLo with KAT, but doesn't look as good if pick is lost and quality player goes to Warriors.

-Roco and pieces for 17, 20, and taking on Evan Turner's contract. 20 flipped for Jauncho, Beasley, and Vando. Right idea as hope was at least one of those players become core. Beasley is, Jauncho isn't, and Vando should be part of the 10 man rotation but no the core of 7-8 that Rosas mentioned wanting in his presser.

This year looks damn good on the picks we made, but draft trades and :
-Takes Edwards which turned out better than I think any of us hoped.

-Traded JJ, 17, and 2024 2nd to OKC for Rubio, 25 and 28. The move when looking at only the picks is solid. Good idea for a vet to mentor Edwards, however I think the thought was Ricky's salary would be something that could be moved as part of a deal in 2021 offseason. Right now looks bad as it's 17million that prevents cap space to use MLE or sign picks. Doubling down on 2 years + team option at $7m on Jauncho (likely reason why JJ was deemed expendable) makes it look worse. McDaniels at 28 was a steal and right now the bright spot of the move.

-25, 33, and 2023 2nd to NY for 23 (Bolmoro). We are hopeful on Bolmoro but don't know. Right now you could say don't make trade and get Quickley at 25 you definitely didn't need Rubio and a big at 33 then you don't have the gaping hole upfront and cap issue with Rubio contract.

-Liked the players we picked, but we also turned 17, 33, 2023 2nd, & 2024 2nd into 23 and 28 on paper.

So I wouldn't say bottom 3 in regards to the OP. I think there was a lot of good, but also I think a number of the moves had maybe a <20% chance of failure and a lot of fell into that area or close to it.