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Childs wrote:Basketball_Jones wrote:I think judging by the remarks in this thread, it's even more surprising he made hall of fame. It's not just Raptor fans, but he didn't resonate highly in the US either.
I mean hes an 11 time All Star, how many 11 time All Stars are not in the HOF?
Childs wrote:Basketball_Jones wrote:I think judging by the remarks in this thread, it's even more surprising he made hall of fame. It's not just Raptor fans, but he didn't resonate highly in the US either.
I mean hes an 11 time All Star, how many 11 time All Stars are not in the HOF?
Jcity08 wrote:I mean thats great and all but he probably wouldnt got HoF if he didnt become 3rd fiddle with the Heatles. What did he do in Toronto that was really all that HoF worthy. Or are we all supposed to take notice just because we drafted him?
WaltFrazier wrote:Jcity08 wrote:I mean thats great and all but he probably wouldnt got HoF if he didnt become 3rd fiddle with the Heatles. What did he do in Toronto that was really all that HoF worthy. Or are we all supposed to take notice just because we drafted him?
This is the thing. When he was here it was clear he was a fine player but not a first option. He went from here to being not just a 3rd option, but 3rd option on the ultimate superteam, with 2 superstars ahead of him. We don't even know if he would have been all that good as a second star. Certainly not a champion. I don't know if I can think of another Hall of famer, within the context of his era, that made the HoF as a 3rd best player.
edit - well I guess Rodman wasn't a 1-2 star, and now Toni Kucoc. Bosh was better than Kucoc, so sure put him in.
supra2k8 wrote:2019nbachamps wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:He dipped on us
Tf should we care
Meanwhile you have Kawhi as your avatar
check your user name
supra2k8 wrote:2019nbachamps wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:He dipped on us
Tf should we care
Meanwhile you have Kawhi as your avatar
check your user name
You're the one to bring up Kawhi though. Terrible comparison. Kawhi left after reaching and leading us to the highest pinnacle. Bosh on the other hand lead us nowhere. He was part of what was literally the darkest era in Raptors history and while management was largely at fault, so was Bosh.2019nbachamps wrote:supra2k8 wrote:2019nbachamps wrote:
Meanwhile you have Kawhi as your avatar
check your user name
I wasn’t the one crying about Bosh leaving us
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:We have a thread about Bosh and the Heat forum doesn't.
Congratulations.
slicedbread2 wrote:There's apathy at best to describe the reaction to Bosh being in the hall of fame in regards to the Raptors fan base.
Look nobody blamed him for leaving as quite frankly this team by the time he had left was no better if not worse off than before. His handling of leaving Toronto and making excuses rather than just being blunt and saying that he didn't trust the organization to make the right moves going forward would've sufficed. He handled it in a pathetic way and he wasn't a centrepiece you'd be able to build around. You had the following blunders that made built up over time in driving Bosh outta town:
1) Drafting Araujo over Igoudala. It was a bad move the second it was made and universally panned. This dude was at best drafted 15-20 spots too high as he went through the juco route where he spent 2 years at Arizona western CC then played his final 2 years at BYU. Igoudala proceeded to have a great career and brought it every time he played the Raps.
2) Trading away Vince Carter. Yea he wanted out, but Babcock settling for a pure garbage offer was one of the worse he moves he ever made and the fallout resulted in him being canned. All he had to show for this deal was Joey Graham and using a 1st round pick to get out of Jalen Rose's deal after he was fired and this trade occurred after Kobe dropped 81 on Rose's ass. The best played he brought in for Bosh was Jose Calderon.
3) BC's infatuation with Bargnani. He looked the part, but when it came time to put him to the test he failed spectacularly. Yes the Raptors bulking him up and taking away from his main strength of blowing by slower big men didn't help but his laziness and lack of work ethic was pathetic. If he even had half the work ethic of Dirk, it'd be a different story. BC's refusal to acknowledge that pasta man sucked and more importantly trading him elsewhere to help Bosh or cut his losses on him was antagonizing and he was here as long as BC.
4) The dumb trading of players. Charlie Villanueva was drafted with the 8th pick. Bynum was available and taking Joey Graham over Danny Granger stung. Charlie was traded after 1 year to Milwaukee for T.J. Ford who was promising but his neck injuries were concerning and he'd suffer a career ending injury in SA. They had a pg controversy and went with Jose, but made the stupid move of trading Rasho, Ford and the draft rights to Roy Hibbert for a broken down Jermaine O'Neal.
BC realized he made an error and made things worse by trading O'Neal to the Heat with a 2011 1st for Shawn Marion. This deal allowed Miami to gear up for the LBJ sweepstakes and Marion didn't wanna be here. He then engages in a S&T that brought Hedo Turkoglu here and he was a bum who's lasting impression was pretending to be sick with food poisoning only to be found at a bar later on. BC sent him to Phoenix for Leandro Barbosa after Bosh had left.
The crazy thing was the Heat's S&T of Bosh to the Raptors allowed the Raps to get back their 2011 1st that became Jonas Valanciunas. Seriously it's unbelievable how many blunders BC made and I had people wondering why I was following this team that had become a factory of sadness of sorts prior to Tim Lewieke coming in and changing things up. To summarize Bosh's time in Toronto and his rep around the league prior to going to Miami:
;ab_channel=TheBasketballFail
B-Ball Freak wrote:slicedbread2 wrote:There's apathy at best to describe the reaction to Bosh being in the hall of fame in regards to the Raptors fan base.
Look nobody blamed him for leaving as quite frankly this team by the time he had left was no better if not worse off than before. His handling of leaving Toronto and making excuses rather than just being blunt and saying that he didn't trust the organization to make the right moves going forward would've sufficed. He handled it in a pathetic way and he wasn't a centrepiece you'd be able to build around. You had the following blunders that made built up over time in driving Bosh outta town:
1) Drafting Araujo over Igoudala. It was a bad move the second it was made and universally panned. This dude was at best drafted 15-20 spots too high as he went through the juco route where he spent 2 years at Arizona western CC then played his final 2 years at BYU. Igoudala proceeded to have a great career and brought it every time he played the Raps.
2) Trading away Vince Carter. Yea he wanted out, but Babcock settling for a pure garbage offer was one of the worse he moves he ever made and the fallout resulted in him being canned. All he had to show for this deal was Joey Graham and using a 1st round pick to get out of Jalen Rose's deal after he was fired and this trade occurred after Kobe dropped 81 on Rose's ass. The best played he brought in for Bosh was Jose Calderon.
3) BC's infatuation with Bargnani. He looked the part, but when it came time to put him to the test he failed spectacularly. Yes the Raptors bulking him up and taking away from his main strength of blowing by slower big men didn't help but his laziness and lack of work ethic was pathetic. If he even had half the work ethic of Dirk, it'd be a different story. BC's refusal to acknowledge that pasta man sucked and more importantly trading him elsewhere to help Bosh or cut his losses on him was antagonizing and he was here as long as BC.
4) The dumb trading of players. Charlie Villanueva was drafted with the 8th pick. Bynum was available and taking Joey Graham over Danny Granger stung. Charlie was traded after 1 year to Milwaukee for T.J. Ford who was promising but his neck injuries were concerning and he'd suffer a career ending injury in SA. They had a pg controversy and went with Jose, but made the stupid move of trading Rasho, Ford and the draft rights to Roy Hibbert for a broken down Jermaine O'Neal.
BC realized he made an error and made things worse by trading O'Neal to the Heat with a 2011 1st for Shawn Marion. This deal allowed Miami to gear up for the LBJ sweepstakes and Marion didn't wanna be here. He then engages in a S&T that brought Hedo Turkoglu here and he was a bum who's lasting impression was pretending to be sick with food poisoning only to be found at a bar later on. BC sent him to Phoenix for Leandro Barbosa after Bosh had left.
The crazy thing was the Heat's S&T of Bosh to the Raptors allowed the Raps to get back their 2011 1st that became Jonas Valanciunas. Seriously it's unbelievable how many blunders BC made and I had people wondering why I was following this team that had become a factory of sadness of sorts prior to Tim Lewieke coming in and changing things up. To summarize Bosh's time in Toronto and his rep around the league prior to going to Miami:
;ab_channel=TheBasketballFail
My god the BC era was horrible, seeing some of those names is giving me PTSD. The idiots on here that hate Masai, wonder what they'll think if they experience the BC era.
Kingsway_fan wrote:Yep , and Babcock was even worse.. the scrubs vc had to play with was pitiful waste of one of the greatest superstars of the era
slicedbread2 wrote:There's apathy at best to describe the reaction to Bosh being in the hall of fame in regards to the Raptors fan base.
Look nobody blamed him for leaving as quite frankly this team by the time he had left was no better if not worse off than before. His handling of leaving Toronto and making excuses rather than just being blunt and saying that he didn't trust the organization to make the right moves going forward would've sufficed. He handled it in a pathetic way and he wasn't a centrepiece you'd be able to build around. You had the following blunders that made built up over time in driving Bosh outta town:
1) Drafting Araujo over Igoudala. It was a bad move the second it was made and universally panned. This dude was at best drafted 15-20 spots too high as he went through the juco route where he spent 2 years at Arizona western CC then played his final 2 years at BYU. Igoudala proceeded to have a great career and brought it every time he played the Raps.
2) Trading away Vince Carter. Yea he wanted out, but Babcock settling for a pure garbage offer was one of the worse he moves he ever made and the fallout resulted in him being canned. All he had to show for this deal was Joey Graham and using a 1st round pick to get out of Jalen Rose's deal after he was fired and this trade occurred after Kobe dropped 81 on Rose's ass. The best played he brought in for Bosh was Jose Calderon.
3) BC's infatuation with Bargnani. He looked the part, but when it came time to put him to the test he failed spectacularly. Yes the Raptors bulking him up and taking away from his main strength of blowing by slower big men didn't help but his laziness and lack of work ethic was pathetic. If he even had half the work ethic of Dirk, it'd be a different story. BC's refusal to acknowledge that pasta man sucked and more importantly trading him elsewhere to help Bosh or cut his losses on him was antagonizing and he was here as long as BC.
4) The dumb trading of players. Charlie Villanueva was drafted with the 8th pick. Bynum was available and taking Joey Graham over Danny Granger stung. Charlie was traded after 1 year to Milwaukee for T.J. Ford who was promising but his neck injuries were concerning and he'd suffer a career ending injury in SA. They had a pg controversy and went with Jose, but made the stupid move of trading Rasho, Ford and the draft rights to Roy Hibbert for a broken down Jermaine O'Neal.
BC realized he made an error and made things worse by trading O'Neal to the Heat with a 2011 1st for Shawn Marion. This deal allowed Miami to gear up for the LBJ sweepstakes and Marion didn't wanna be here. He then engages in a S&T that brought Hedo Turkoglu here and he was a bum who's lasting impression was pretending to be sick with food poisoning only to be found at a bar later on. BC sent him to Phoenix for Leandro Barbosa after Bosh had left.
The crazy thing was the Heat's S&T of Bosh to the Raptors allowed the Raps to get back their 2011 1st that became Jonas Valanciunas. Seriously it's unbelievable how many blunders BC made and I had people wondering why I was following this team that had become a factory of sadness of sorts prior to Tim Lewieke coming in and changing things up. To summarize Bosh's time in Toronto and his rep around the league prior to going to Miami:
;ab_channel=TheBasketballFail
