Who will be the most overrated player of the 2021 draft?

shakes0 · Post #61 » by **shakes0** » Fri May 14, 2021 8:23 pm

Stillwater wrote:
shakes0 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:The point is the averages are regular season there buddy..

you sure about that Stillwater?

If it isn't I will stand corrected but it is.

sorry if the clue I gave you earlier wasn't strong enough, but to put it simply you are wrong. College stats are for all games played including conference and NCAA tournaments.

Consider yourself corrected.

Stillwater · Post #62 » by **Stillwater** » Fri May 14, 2021 8:50 pm

shakes0 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
shakes0 wrote:

you sure about that Stillwater?

If it isn't I will stand corrected but it is.

sorry if the clue I gave you earlier wasn't strong enough, but to put it simply you are wrong. College stats are for all games played including conference and NCAA tournaments.

Consider yourself corrected.

Interesting...doesnt change my point that much though does it. Mitchell is a legit NBA prospect in the same mold as these other all star caliber nba guards and whether he reaches their level in the league is yet to be determined but the skill is there its obvious

EMG518 · Post #63 » by **EMG518** » Sat May 15, 2021 12:02 am

Stillwater wrote:
shakes0 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:If it isn't I will stand corrected but it is.

sorry if the clue I gave you earlier wasn't strong enough, but to put it simply you are wrong. College stats are for all games played including conference and NCAA tournaments.

Consider yourself corrected.

Interesting...doesnt change my point that much though does it. Mitchell is a legit NBA prospect in the same mold as these other all star caliber nba guards and whether he reaches their level in the league is yet to be determined but the skill is there its obvious

Your evaluation is just really off base. If he makes the league and gets in a rotation that would be an accomplishment.

Stillwater · Post #64 » by **Stillwater** » Sat May 15, 2021 4:36 pm

EMG518 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
shakes0 wrote:
sorry if the clue I gave you earlier wasn't strong enough, but to put it simply you are wrong. College stats are for all games played including conference and NCAA tournaments.

Consider yourself corrected.

Interesting...doesnt change my point that much though does it. Mitchell is a legit NBA prospect in the same mold as these other all star caliber nba guards and whether he reaches their level in the league is yet to be determined but the skill is there its obvious

Your evaluation is just really off base. If he makes the league and gets in a rotation that would be an accomplishment.

bs there is no reason at all other than his age to lower my opinion on his draft stock. Nothing tells me he will fail at the next level the 2 way player I am talking about is going to be a stud. This is not some prospect that was overlooked based on anything but needing to improve as a player which he has. His athleticism and current skill set is easily above average NBA starting Guard material . He is not on radars of typical mid to high lottery teams that are entering long rebuilds and have a lot of time to develop etc and that require years of tanking and asset accumulation but anyone else will see a win now guard worth taking anywhere from 7-14.
If he goes after that then the NBA scouting system is broken

EMG518 · Post #65 » by **EMG518** » Sat May 15, 2021 6:47 pm

Stillwater wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Interesting...doesnt change my point that much though does it. Mitchell is a legit NBA prospect in the same mold as these other all star caliber nba guards and whether he reaches their level in the league is yet to be determined but the skill is there its obvious

Your evaluation is just really off base. If he makes the league and gets in a rotation that would be an accomplishment.

bs there is no reason at all other than his age to lower my opinion on his draft stock. Nothing tells me he will fail at the next level the 2 way player I am talking about is going to be a stud. This is not some prospect that was overlooked based on anything but needing to improve as a player which he has. His athleticism and current skill set is easily above average NBA starting Guard material . He is not on radars of typical mid to high lottery teams that are entering long rebuilds and have a lot of time to develop etc and that require years of tanking and asset accumulation but anyone else will see a win now guard worth taking anywhere from 7-14.
If he goes after that then the NBA scouting system is broken

Or maybe your evaluation is very wrong and it's difficult to scout. We will see. That's why people enjoy the draft.

CptCrunch · Post #66 » by **CptCrunch** » Sat May 15, 2021 10:13 pm

Stillwater wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Interesting...doesnt change my point that much though does it. Mitchell is a legit NBA prospect in the same mold as these other all star caliber nba guards and whether he reaches their level in the league is yet to be determined but the skill is there its obvious

His athleticism and current skill set is easily above average NBA starting Guard material

This is frankly nuts, have you look at the #15 PG and/or SG based on RPM/BPM or even scoring to see how good they are?

This is a Westbrook, Brogdon, Trae, Booker, Beal, Ingles kind of player. Solidly middle of the pack starting players at guard. And you claim Davion is 'solidly above average' which implies he should be even better.

By your scouting, I don't see how Davion is not a top 3 lock, and has a strong case for #1.

babyjax13 · Post #67 » by **babyjax13** » Sun May 16, 2021 3:34 am

For me it is Moses Moody. He seems to always be barreling into players and doesn't have great handles. I don't think he will be bad, I just don't see him as a lotto pick.

Stillwater · Post #68 » by **Stillwater** » Sun May 16, 2021 4:16 pm

CptCrunch wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
His athleticism and current skill set is easily above average NBA starting Guard material

This is frankly nuts, have you look at the #15 PG and/or SG based on RPM/BPM or even scoring to see how good they are?

This is a Westbrook, Brogdon, Trae, Booker, Beal, Ingles kind of player. Solidly middle of the pack starting players at guard. And you claim Davion is 'solidly above average' which implies he should be even better.

By your scouting, I don't see how Davion is not a top 3 lock, and has a strong case for #1.

On paper he should be a top 10 pick but we both know the mind of front offices about investing long money in older players so of course his draft stock will slide some and if teams that have the most interest instead in the end opt for younger less proven options like usually happens he will slide into massive steal draft range in the late teens. There is zero reason to think any kid with this much twitch will fail in the NBA

SmoothLefty21 · Post #69 » by **SmoothLefty21** » Tue May 18, 2021 1:43 am

Moses Moody for sure. He's 6'6" and can shoot, that's about it. He's fine after the lottery, or at the very end of it, but people who have him at #6 are insane.

Brofessor24 · Post #70 » by **Brofessor24** » Tue May 18, 2021 11:58 am

IMO these players are overrated: Davion Mitchell, Isaiah Jackson, Scottie Barnes, Day'Ron Sharpe, and Keon Johnson.

These players are underrated: Isaiah Todd, Josh Christopher, Cameron Thomas, Jalen Johnson, and Nah'Shon Hyland.

Stillwater · Post #71 » by **Stillwater** » Tue May 18, 2021 2:25 pm

Brofessor24 wrote:IMO these players are overrated: Davion Mitchell, Isaiah Jackson, Scottie Barnes, Day'Ron Sharpe, and Keon Johnson.

These players are underrated: Isaiah Todd, Josh Christopher, Cameron Thomas, Jalen Johnson, and Nah'Shon Hyland.

why is Barnes overrated? I agree Todd and Bones are underrated

predators · Post #72 » by **predators** » Tue May 18, 2021 2:47 pm

SmoothLefty21 wrote:Moses Moody for sure. He's 6'6" and can shoot, that's about it. He's fine after the lottery, or at the very end of it, but people who have him at #6 are insane.

Not all 6'6" is the same. There aren't very many athletic 6'6" guys with 7'1" wingspan players that can also shoot. The 7'1" wingspan part is kind of important.

Stillwater · Post #73 » by **Stillwater** » Tue May 18, 2021 4:21 pm

predators wrote:
SmoothLefty21 wrote:Moses Moody for sure. He's 6'6" and can shoot, that's about it. He's fine after the lottery, or at the very end of it, but people who have him at #6 are insane.

Not all 6'6" is the same. There aren't very many athletic 6'6" guys with 7'1" wingspan players that can also shoot. The 7'1" wingspan part is kind of important.

Is'nt the knock on Moody that he is not aggressive enough in his approach to the game so far aka not an alpha ? I don't think anyone is drafted in the lottery anymore based on anthro alone.

PhilBlackson · Post #74 » by **PhilBlackson** » Tue May 18, 2021 5:06 pm

Right now I'm with a lot of posters and it's Davion Mitchell imo.

It's not that I don't think he'll be a good solid player but his CEILING is looking like a Patrick Beverly to Marcus Smart type.

Is a team upset walking away with that kind of player versus a bust?! Of course not but you're also likely passing on at least a couple players that will probably end up substantially better than what he is. If he's taken anywhere outside the top 10, then I'm all for it.

predators · Post #75 » by **predators** » Tue May 18, 2021 6:07 pm

Stillwater wrote:
predators wrote:
SmoothLefty21 wrote:Moses Moody for sure. He's 6'6" and can shoot, that's about it. He's fine after the lottery, or at the very end of it, but people who have him at #6 are insane.

Not all 6'6" is the same. There aren't very many athletic 6'6" guys with 7'1" wingspan players that can also shoot. The 7'1" wingspan part is kind of important.

Is'nt the knock on Moody that he is not aggressive enough in his approach to the game so far aka not an alpha ? I don't think anyone is drafted in the lottery anymore based on anthro alone.

It's not like he had Nassir Little or Kelly Oubre college career. He was the leading scorer on his team as freshmen (With decent efficiency) and took them to the tourney. He was productive and big. Big productive players are usually pretty good in the NBA.

nicnac215 · Post #76 » by **nicnac215** » Tue May 18, 2021 8:48 pm

Jalen Johnson. On paper he seems like a sleeper, but in reality he is underwhelming and a team cancer.

Catchall · Post #77 » by **Catchall** » Fri May 21, 2021 2:29 am

I think Davion Mitchell could be like Terry Rozier. So it depends on whether you're into that sort of thing. I think he's the guy you draft in the early-mid 20s.

I do have serious concerns about Ziaire Williams. I get that he has shooting touch, but I'm not sure if the rest of his game will really come together at the NBA level, and he's so frail I just don't see him getting where he wants to go on an NBA court. Now maybe he matures and fills out well, but he seems like a good candidate to return for his sophomore season.

Jalen Johnson can't shoot, so I'm not sure what that makes him--a defensive specialist like Bradon Clarke? Is his on-ball creation going to be so good that he plays like Ben Simmons?

Hal14 · Post #78 » by **Hal14** » Fri May 21, 2021 3:50 pm

Catchall wrote:Jalen Johnson can't shoot, so I'm not sure what that makes him--a defensive specialist like Bradon Clarke? Is his on-ball creation going to be so good that he plays like Ben Simmons?

53.8% from 2 point range and 44.4% from 3 but he can't shoot? :lol:

Stillwater · Post #79 » by **Stillwater** » Sat May 22, 2021 5:50 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Catchall wrote:Jalen Johnson can't shoot, so I'm not sure what that makes him--a defensive specialist like Bradon Clarke? Is his on-ball creation going to be so good that he plays like Ben Simmons?

53.8% from 2 point range and 44.4% from 3 but he can't shoot?

He can shoot but he probably shot himself in the foot with his track record of leaving teams hanging and it wasn't just Duke or Covid which he gets a pass for.
I think he will be a good pro if he gets picked up late enough that he wakes up but if he goes in the lottery he will be another Shabazz that flames out pretty fast

Stillwater · Post #80 » by **Stillwater** » Sat May 22, 2021 5:58 pm

predators wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
predators wrote:
Not all 6'6" is the same. There aren't very many athletic 6'6" guys with 7'1" wingspan players that can also shoot. The 7'1" wingspan part is kind of important.

Is'nt the knock on Moody that he is not aggressive enough in his approach to the game so far aka not an alpha ? I don't think anyone is drafted in the lottery anymore based on anthro alone.

It's not like he had Nassir Little or Kelly Oubre college career. He was the leading scorer on his team as freshmen (With decent efficiency) and took them to the tourney. He was productive and big. Big productive players are usually pretty good in the NBA.

and he choked big time with terrible efficiency against Oral Roberts and then Baylor proving my point about lacking the alpha gene to take over a game when it matters. He is not that special