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Post#81 » by Toby_White » Wed May 19, 2021 11:28 am

76ciology wrote:I dont think we have enough sample size. But on eyetest the offense is much better when its being run by guys like Ish, Fultz or Maxey.

Its mainly because the game has designed the PnR to be the most effective action on offense, and we can’t do that with Ben being a PG.

think about it.. we have 3 all defensive team players and we still struggle defending the PnR.

I feel (im not speaking with certainty) like if you can have just a decent PG who can run PnR like Dragic or Conley, it would make a huge difference that it can easily compensate whatever contribution of Ben. Our defense is not anchored by ben and other defensive wings like thybulle can shine and replace, while a PG can also lead the transition offense.

Halfcourt offense is the most important aspect of the game. More than defense. More than transition offense. If you can make a leap on your halfcourt offense, you can easily make big improvements with your team.

Most games in the playoffs is basically a game of runs until a close game down the stretch. It will ask each team “how good are you on your halfcourt offense?”

This season should have been a disaster if not for Embiid making a big leap of improvement on his jumpshot that allows us to absorb some lousy offensive actions because we can always dump the ball to Embiid. And you can see this with how bad our offense is when Biid is not playing or whenever Biid’s jumper is not falling.

Should be interesting how we’d perform against the good teams in the playoffs. Good teams. Not in the same hierarchy of Wizards or Hornets.


Pull up 3P shooting is the biggest swing skill in the game, and we are the worst or second worst team in the league at that. Ben certainly doesnt help here, but getting one of these guys to combine him with Ben & Joel has always been the obvious solution.
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Post#82 » by kuclas » Wed May 19, 2021 11:45 am

Combination of Embiid tunnel vision while being double teamed. And Simmons presence on the court. Guys are open. Embiid too slow to make decisions in half court. Than he tries to make ill advised cross court pass that gets intercepted often. See game 3 Boston in the bubble in final 90 seconds.

The fake double team or real double team is very simple. Either Embiid is afraid of causing offfensive fouls. I don’t know. If you see a defender hedging closer. Make a move right away. This forces the hedging defender to commit quicker and less time to react. Do it enough times. The defend will full commit to double teams and the open guy is gonna to be real open. Than just a matter of making shots.

I know that’s easier said than done. We have seen Tobias miss wide open corner three (see game 4 Toronto series). If sixers held on to that game 4. It’s 3-1 and there would have been no game 7.
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Post#83 » by Ferry Avenue » Wed May 19, 2021 1:53 pm

kuclas wrote:Combination of Embiid tunnel vision while being double teamed. And Simmons presence on the court. Guys are open. Embiid too slow to make decisions in half court. Than he tries to make ill advised cross court pass that gets intercepted often. See game 3 Boston in the bubble in final 90 seconds.

The fake double team or real double team is very simple. Either Embiid is afraid of causing offfensive fouls. I don’t know. If you see a defender hedging closer. Make a move right away. This forces the hedging defender to commit quicker and less time to react. Do it enough times. The defend will full commit to double teams and the open guy is gonna to be real open. Than just a matter of making shots.

I know that’s easier said than done. We have seen Tobias miss wide open corner three (see game 4 Toronto series). If sixers held on to that game 4. It’s 3-1 and there would have been no game 7.

It's kind of ridiculous that hasn't been refined beyond its present level when the team has obviously made the decision to run the half-court offense through Embiid. I mean the entire playoffs could hinge on that ability to get the ball to the open man out of the double-team and make those shots.
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Re: The Playoffs Thread 

Post#84 » by Sixerscan » Wed May 19, 2021 1:58 pm

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kuclas wrote:Combination of Embiid tunnel vision while being double teamed. And Simmons presence on the court. Guys are open. Embiid too slow to make decisions in half court. Than he tries to make ill advised cross court pass that gets intercepted often. See game 3 Boston in the bubble in final 90 seconds.

The fake double team or real double team is very simple. Either Embiid is afraid of causing offfensive fouls. I don’t know. If you see a defender hedging closer. Make a move right away. This forces the hedging defender to commit quicker and less time to react. Do it enough times. The defend will full commit to double teams and the open guy is gonna to be real open. Than just a matter of making shots.

I know that’s easier said than done. We have seen Tobias miss wide open corner three (see game 4 Toronto series). If sixers held on to that game 4. It’s 3-1 and there would have been no game 7.

It's kind of ridiculous that hasn't been refined beyond its present level when the team has obviously made the decision to run the half-court offense through Embiid. I mean the entire playoffs could hinge on that ability to get the ball to the open man out of the double-team and make those shots.


Been a lot better this year, we’ll see if it translates to the playoffs.

Might be as simple as getting through the East without playing a good defensive team this time around though.
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Post#85 » by the_process » Wed May 19, 2021 2:01 pm

You guys want Indy or Washington 1st? I feel pretty good about Washington being a sweep so I’m rooting for them.
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Post#86 » by Stanford » Wed May 19, 2021 2:26 pm

holy ****, Tatom went all out to duck us in the first round.

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Post#87 » by Sixerscan » Wed May 19, 2021 2:33 pm

the_process wrote:You guys want Indy or Washington 1st? I feel pretty good about Washington being a sweep so I’m rooting for them.

Yes.
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Post#88 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 19, 2021 3:02 pm

the_process wrote:You guys want Indy or Washington 1st? I feel pretty good about Washington being a sweep so I’m rooting for them.


Washington. Indy is getting comfortable with Brissett. They seem like a cohesive team while Washington is incapable of defending Embiid.

Let Westbrook get his stats, mitigate a hobbled Beal, shut down the rest of the team, move on to the next round.

I think the Pacers could possibly steal a game or two from us.
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Post#89 » by zaz102 » Wed May 19, 2021 3:38 pm

the_process wrote:You guys want Indy or Washington 1st? I feel pretty good about Washington being a sweep so I’m rooting for them.
Doesn't matter. Sixers should beat either handily.
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Post#90 » by Ferry Avenue » Wed May 19, 2021 4:19 pm

Stanford wrote:holy ****, Tatom went all out to duck us in the first round.

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Imagine if Tatum would've been drafted by the Sixers at #3 overall instead of the insane trade-up for Fultz.
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Post#91 » by Stanford » Wed May 19, 2021 4:32 pm

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Stanford wrote:holy ****, Tatom went all out to duck us in the first round.

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Imagine if Tatum would've been drafted by the Sixers at #3 overall instead of the insane trade-up for Fultz.


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Post#92 » by kuclas » Wed May 19, 2021 6:47 pm

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kuclas wrote:Combination of Embiid tunnel vision while being double teamed. And Simmons presence on the court. Guys are open. Embiid too slow to make decisions in half court. Than he tries to make ill advised cross court pass that gets intercepted often. See game 3 Boston in the bubble in final 90 seconds.

The fake double team or real double team is very simple. Either Embiid is afraid of causing offfensive fouls. I don’t know. If you see a defender hedging closer. Make a move right away. This forces the hedging defender to commit quicker and less time to react. Do it enough times. The defend will full commit to double teams and the open guy is gonna to be real open. Than just a matter of making shots.

I know that’s easier said than done. We have seen Tobias miss wide open corner three (see game 4 Toronto series). If sixers held on to that game 4. It’s 3-1 and there would have been no game 7.

It's kind of ridiculous that hasn't been refined beyond its present level when the team has obviously made the decision to run the half-court offense through Embiid. I mean the entire playoffs could hinge on that ability to get the ball to the open man out of the double-team and make those shots.


Been a lot better this year, we’ll see if it translates to the playoffs.

Might be as simple as getting through the East without playing a good defensive team this time around though.

Embiid really struggled in the 10-15 minutes he played vs Miami in the first half. He claims he’s in Andre Drummond head. Well hard and complex double teams get in Embiid heads. Miami confused him to be honest. I know he was under the weather.

But he struggled against both Toronto back to back games. (Was better second game of that Toronto home and home series). Sixers won going away 2nd game as shooters just killed Toronto. And Embiid just played within the game. But he shot 30% those games so double teams clearly affects his rhythm.

Golden state also doubled Embiid a lot and Embiid struggled down the stretch of that game.

That’s the thing with regular season. Teams don’t pickup the intensity often. But choose to at certain parts of the game.

In the playoffs. It’s all playoff intensity.

Now. I don’t think Charlotte/Washington have any bigs or schemes that can affect Sixers.

Neither does New York even with thibs at the helm. He just doesn’t have the personnel. Atlanta could with capela and hunter coming back from injury to provide help with capela.
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Post#93 » by kuclas » Wed May 19, 2021 6:56 pm

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Stanford wrote:holy ****, Tatom went all out to duck us in the first round.

coward

Imagine if Tatum would've been drafted by the Sixers at #3 overall instead of the insane trade-up for Fultz.

This is why you don’t want to show your hand. If Ainge had any inkling Sixers would have picked Tatum. He never would have traded in the first place.

So Sixers had zero chance at Tatum. Analyzing everything I read. Tatum was between the 4-6th best player. I had the Sixers picking josh Jackson at the 3 slot. The Suns were happy to pickup Jackson at 4.

Look the only GM who had doubts about fultz was Ainge. Fultz was the consensus overall 1 pick

Similar to how deandre Ayton was consensus 1 pick for 2018. Luka was the overall 1 on most board (I follow the espn insider/plus board). But ayton overtook luka sometime in late feb that year. Just how the draft rolls. You can’t blame Suns for picking ayton. He was great in college. He showed enough to be overall 1
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Post#94 » by Stanford » Wed May 19, 2021 7:14 pm

kuclas wrote:You can’t blame Suns for picking ayton.


Of course you can! It's their job to get that pick right and they blew it. They shouldn't be doing their scouting on draft express and tankathon. That's what I do.
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Post#95 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 19, 2021 7:18 pm

kuclas wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
Stanford wrote:holy ****, Tatom went all out to duck us in the first round.

coward

Imagine if Tatum would've been drafted by the Sixers at #3 overall instead of the insane trade-up for Fultz.

This is why you don’t want to show your hand. If Ainge had any inkling Sixers would have picked Tatum. He never would have traded in the first place.

So Sixers had zero chance at Tatum. Analyzing everything I read. Tatum was between the 4-6th best player. I had the Sixers picking josh Jackson at the 3 slot. The Suns were happy to pickup Jackson at 4.

Look the only GM who had doubts about fultz was Ainge. Fultz was the consensus overall 1 pick

Similar to how deandre Ayton was consensus 1 pick for 2018. Luka was the overall 1 on most board (I follow the espn insider/plus board). But ayton overtook luka sometime in late feb that year. Just how the draft rolls. You can’t blame Suns for picking ayton. He was great in college. He showed enough to be overall 1


I still think the Fultz unanimous #1 narrative is nuts. He was definitely good and even worthy of #1 conversation, but he wasn't a can't miss player. Played little to no defense, was on an atrocious team where he had complete autonomy on offense. Was terrible at the FT line. Late bloomer, receiving his five star recognition after his senior year.

I mean, this wasn't even a Ben Simmons situation where he was playing a season he didn't care about (red flag in itself) and still finished with a winning record and just missed the tourney. Fultz and UW went 9-22.

I know, I know, the butchered shooting motion is was did him in. That's fine if you think his shot was going to translate. It's fine if you think he was the best prospect in the draft. However, it's insane to me to believe he was the clear cut best player in the draft. Tatum, Fox, and Isaac had a stake for that spot (could even kinda argue DSJ although he had his own major blemishes).

The worst part of Fultz is our undying commitment to him instead of hedging our bet for a different lead guard. His legacy in Philly is sabotaging the process for a few years.
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Re: The Playoffs Thread 

Post#96 » by Sixerscan » Wed May 19, 2021 8:04 pm

kuclas wrote:
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Ferry Avenue wrote:It's kind of ridiculous that hasn't been refined beyond its present level when the team has obviously made the decision to run the half-court offense through Embiid. I mean the entire playoffs could hinge on that ability to get the ball to the open man out of the double-team and make those shots.


Been a lot better this year, we’ll see if it translates to the playoffs.

Might be as simple as getting through the East without playing a good defensive team this time around though.

Embiid really struggled in the 10-15 minutes he played vs Miami in the first half. He claims he’s in Andre Drummond head. Well hard and complex double teams get in Embiid heads. Miami confused him to be honest. I know he was under the weather.

But he struggled against both Toronto back to back games. (Was better second game of that Toronto home and home series). Sixers won going away 2nd game as shooters just killed Toronto. And Embiid just played within the game. But he shot 30% those games so double teams clearly affects his rhythm.

Golden state also doubled Embiid a lot and Embiid struggled down the stretch of that game.

That’s the thing with regular season. Teams don’t pickup the intensity often. But choose to at certain parts of the game.

In the playoffs. It’s all playoff intensity.

Now. I don’t think Charlotte/Washington have any bigs or schemes that can affect Sixers.

Neither does New York even with thibs at the helm. He just doesn’t have the personnel. Atlanta could with capela and hunter coming back from injury to provide help with capela.


Well I didn't say that he had zero bad games just that he was better this year.

Sixers aren't always playing at playoff intensity during the regular season either.
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Post#97 » by Ferry Avenue » Wed May 19, 2021 9:03 pm

zaz102 wrote:
the_process wrote:You guys want Indy or Washington 1st? I feel pretty good about Washington being a sweep so I’m rooting for them.
Doesn't matter. Sixers should beat either handily.

I don't see any team without leadership and without tried and true playoff intensity-level basketball success under their belt beating anybody in the NBA handily. This team is going to struggle.
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Post#98 » by zaz102 » Wed May 19, 2021 9:15 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:
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the_process wrote:You guys want Indy or Washington 1st? I feel pretty good about Washington being a sweep so I’m rooting for them.
Doesn't matter. Sixers should beat either handily.

I don't see any team without leadership and without tried and true playoff intensity-level basketball success under their belt beating anybody in the NBA handily. This team is going to struggle.
They beat their first round opponents handily in 2 out of last 3 years, so not sure why you think they're worse off this year. Neither of those years were they playing as a 1st seed against an 8th/9th seed, they didn't have an MVP level player, nor did they have an NBA championship winning coach.

Also, we're not talking Lakers/Warriors or even the Heat. Pacers and Wizards have had major issues over the year and have a history of not being very good in the playoffs or not making it.
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Post#99 » by Kobblehead » Wed May 19, 2021 11:30 pm

kuclas wrote:You can’t blame Suns for picking ayton. He was great in college. He showed enough to be overall 1

Yes you can. Ayton was an offense-only C at Arizona. It was obvious to see he wasn't a two-way franchise big. Consensus boards are dumb. GMs that follow them usually get fired. Everyone knew Ayton and Bagley were garbage top prospects and that Doncic, Young, Sexton, and Alexander were the rightful top 4.
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Post#100 » by Kobblehead » Wed May 19, 2021 11:31 pm

Suns are terrible at drafting.

After the Ayton mistake, they wasted a lotto pick on Cam Johnson and then wasted another top 10 pick on a bad big in Jalen Smith.

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