What players should the Warriors go after next season

[Scoots1994]

I don't understand the pining for KAT. He's been the common denominator on one of the worst teams in recent history.

The numbers man the numbers

[a8bil]

I don't understand the pining for KAT. He's been the common denominator on one of the worst teams in recent history.

The numbers man the numbers

What numbers...the empty numbers he puts up on in losing efforts? Haven't we graduated to the point of understanding that good numbers in losing efforts are often misleading?

[Scoots1994]

I don't understand the pining for KAT. He's been the common denominator on one of the worst teams in recent history.

The numbers man the numbers

What numbers...the empty numbers he puts up on in losing efforts? Haven't we graduated to the point of understanding that good numbers in losing efforts are often misleading?

I have, and you have, and many fans have, but the media and casual fans certainly have not. Most NBA fans think Draymond Green is a terrible NBA player because he doesn't score enough.

[SAKURABA216]

I don't understand the pining for KAT. He's been the common denominator on one of the worst teams in recent history.

The numbers man the numbers

What numbers...the empty numbers he puts up on in losing efforts? Haven't we graduated to the point of understanding that good numbers in losing efforts are often misleading?

You could say the same thing about Wiggins before he came here and this year he showed that he can actually contribute and play winning basketball.

[SAKURABA216]

The only way we dramatically improve this roster next year without trading Wiggins and with Oubre likely signing somewhere else is if we get the Minny pick at #4 and are able to draft Jalen Green or Jalen Suggs and with #17 we land Moses Moody or Josh Giddy.


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Two Rookies are not going to ‘dramatically’ improve a playoff team.

If we don't trade Wiggins then there is no chance of us being able to match salaries in order to bring in a super-star level player. Our only trade pieces would then be Wiseman, Paschal, Looney, and Poole and there is no way we would be able to flip their contracts for a star. If we really knock the picks out of the park we could be a legit stacked team. Jalen Green was seen as a better prospect than Ant-man this time last year and Giddy could be a Lamelo-like secondary ball-handler for us.

[a8bil]

The numbers man the numbers

What numbers...the empty numbers he puts up on in losing efforts? Haven't we graduated to the point of understanding that good numbers in losing efforts are often misleading?

You could say the same thing about Wiggins before he came here and this year he showed that he can actually contribute and play winning basketball.

You could...but look at the Wiggins trade on a clean slate. 2 years ago, would you have said, "Let's go out and get Wiggins and his $31 Million contract to best utilize Curry's remaining years?" I think not. The equation was, we have DLo who adds nothing and in many ways detracts from the team effort. What can we do with him? Without the need to dump DLo and without getting the 1st Rd pick on top of Wiggins, no way you do that deal. That Wiggins has learned to be productive is just gravy...but without significant development, Wiggins is still just a 3rd to 4th guy on a championship team. I see KAT being much the same. He's not garbage, but at best he's the 4th best player on a championship team type of guy, who many have elevated to a 1/2 guy. The results are in...he's not.

[Impuniti]

There's no place for KitKat on the Warriors roster with the amount these guys are making, how is this a topic?

[and1GS]

Yeh I've seen this come up twice in other threads. Don't mean to be a debbie downer but it is literally impossible to acquire KAT without dumping Wiggins. 4/5 of our starters make around the max and our only non rookie deal, non minimum player is Looney at $5m (PO this year).

IMO this puts us in a weird position. Wiggins is objectively a valuable player now, but he makes too much. However, trading him as a toxic asset/salary filler in a deal would be a whiff for us. He should theoretically lower the amount of future picks we would need to give in a trade, but I highly doubt any team views it that way. So the options are basically keep him, dump him as filler or find guys around $10-12m in value that we could deal other pieces for. I'd guess we go for #3.

[Scoots1994]

The numbers man the numbers

What numbers...the empty numbers he puts up on in losing efforts? Haven't we graduated to the point of understanding that good numbers in losing efforts are often misleading?

You could say the same thing about Wiggins before he came here and this year he showed that he can actually contribute and play winning basketball.

While that is true what matters is that great numbers on a bad team often translate to okay numbers on a great team, and the money by then doesn't make sense. There is a LONG list of players who get HUGE money changing teams and never come close again to what they did on a bad team. Kevin Love comes to mind.

KAT's numbers make him look like a top 3 center in the NBA, but if someone traded vets and multiple first round picks for him he would underperform and be overpaid ... much like Love in Cleveland.

[The-Power]

If we don't trade Wiggins then there is no chance of us being able to match salaries in order to bring in a super-star level player. Our only trade pieces would then be Wiseman, Paschal, Looney, and Poole and there is no way we would be able to flip their contracts for a star. If we really knock the picks out of the park we could be a legit stacked team. Jalen Green was seen as a better prospect than Ant-man this time last year and Giddy could be a Lamelo-like secondary ball-handler for us.

The point is that no Rookie additions make you a ‘stacked team’ or ‘dramatically’ improve a playoff team. Certainly not any prospect that isn't considered generational (which we don't get where we pick). Some Rookies are useful – especially older ones – but I believe you overrate the impact any pair of Rookies could have on our season, even if we happen to knock it out of the park, when you hope for dramatic improvements to a playoff-caliber team.

[Scoots1994]

Yeh I've seen this come up twice in other threads. Don't mean to be a debbie downer but it is literally impossible to acquire KAT without dumping Wiggins. 4/5 of our starters make around the max and our only non rookie deal, non minimum player is Looney at $5m (PO this year).

IMO this puts us in a weird position. Wiggins is objectively a valuable player now, but he makes too much. However, trading him as a toxic asset/salary filler in a deal would be a whiff for us. He should theoretically lower the amount of future picks we would need to give in a trade, but I highly doubt any team views it that way. So the options are basically keep him, dump him as filler or find guys around $10-12m in value that we could deal other pieces for. I'd guess we go for #3.

Pretty much.

Curry, Klay, Green, Wiseman are not getting moved. Wiggins would be moved in a heartbeat for a comparable player for less money or a better player, the problem is that's just not going to happen. So the Warriors can use Oubre to try to get something and the TPMLE to get something less, and vet min deals. That's what Myers has to work with.

It seems to me a vet big is the best case scenario ... Olynyk would be interesting.

[Scoots1994]

If we don't trade Wiggins then there is no chance of us being able to match salaries in order to bring in a super-star level player. Our only trade pieces would then be Wiseman, Paschal, Looney, and Poole and there is no way we would be able to flip their contracts for a star. If we really knock the picks out of the park we could be a legit stacked team. Jalen Green was seen as a better prospect than Ant-man this time last year and Giddy could be a Lamelo-like secondary ball-handler for us.

The point is that no Rookie additions make you a ‘stacked team’ or ‘dramatically’ improve a playoff team. Certainly not any prospect that isn't considered generational (which we don't get where we pick). Some Rookies are useful – especially older ones – but I believe you overrate the impact any pair of Rookies could have on our season, even if we happen to knock it out of the park, when you hope for dramatic improvements to a playoff-caliber team.

I agree. The rookies are mostly about some bench contribution as rookies ... but if it's Green or Suggs they will be much bigger contributors. The later 1st is just going to be a bench player. But if the free agent money is maximized the team could still be "stacked".

Realistically the Warriors 1 all-nba player, 2 potential all-star players, and 2 players with all-star potential, in addition to the rookies and Looney/Poole/Paschall. That's a pretty young and skilled top 10 without the 2 or 3 vet FAs Myers is going to be looking for to add to the bench of Lee, JTA (two functional NBA players).

It really comes down to who those FAs are and how they fit the team and how quickly they fit in.

[SAKURABA216]

If we don't trade Wiggins then there is no chance of us being able to match salaries in order to bring in a super-star level player. Our only trade pieces would then be Wiseman, Paschal, Looney, and Poole and there is no way we would be able to flip their contracts for a star. If we really knock the picks out of the park we could be a legit stacked team. Jalen Green was seen as a better prospect than Ant-man this time last year and Giddy could be a Lamelo-like secondary ball-handler for us.

The point is that no Rookie additions make you a ‘stacked team’ or ‘dramatically’ improve a playoff team. Certainly not any prospect that isn't considered generational (which we don't get where we pick). Some Rookies are useful – especially older ones – but I believe you overrate the impact any pair of Rookies could have on our season, even if we happen to knock it out of the park, when you hope for dramatic improvements to a playoff-caliber team.

I disagree, I think if we basketball gods smile upon us and we get the #4 and #17 pick, it could change everything for us.

Miami went to the finals by adding Butler, drafting Hero, and giving Duncan Robinson playtime. Next year, we would be bringing Klay back and potentially drafting guys like Jalen Green/Jalen Suggs AND Josh Giddy/Jared Butler/Moses Moody/Usman Garuba. I might be higher on Green than a lot of people, but I think he could be better than Anthony Edwards and could develop into a Bradley Beal level scorer.

[cpower]

Yeh I've seen this come up twice in other threads. Don't mean to be a debbie downer but it is literally impossible to acquire KAT without dumping Wiggins. 4/5 of our starters make around the max and our only non rookie deal, non minimum player is Looney at $5m (PO this year).

IMO this puts us in a weird position. Wiggins is objectively a valuable player now, but he makes too much. However, trading him as a toxic asset/salary filler in a deal would be a whiff for us. He should theoretically lower the amount of future picks we would need to give in a trade, but I highly doubt any team views it that way. So the options are basically keep him, dump him as filler or find guys around $10-12m in value that we could deal other pieces for. I'd guess we go for #3.

Pretty much.

Curry, Klay, Green, Wiseman are not getting moved. Wiggins would be moved in a heartbeat for a comparable player for less money or a better player, the problem is that's just not going to happen. So the Warriors can use Oubre to try to get something and the TPMLE to get something less, and vet min deals. That's what Myers has to work with.

It seems to me a vet big is the best case scenario ... Olynyk would be interesting.

Wiseman will be moved before Wiggins. 100%. Wiggins is expensive but you know what you can get from him, 18 ppg and good defense and barely getting hurt. Wiseman has the biggest negative impact right now, if you get rid of wiggins, we have too many holes (defense, playmaking, shooting. size) and we will be locked to be a bottom 5 team in the league. It's all about picking up vets to fill up the holes.

[cpower]

If we don't trade Wiggins then there is no chance of us being able to match salaries in order to bring in a super-star level player. Our only trade pieces would then be Wiseman, Paschal, Looney, and Poole and there is no way we would be able to flip their contracts for a star. If we really knock the picks out of the park we could be a legit stacked team. Jalen Green was seen as a better prospect than Ant-man this time last year and Giddy could be a Lamelo-like secondary ball-handler for us.

The point is that no Rookie additions make you a ‘stacked team’ or ‘dramatically’ improve a playoff team. Certainly not any prospect that isn't considered generational (which we don't get where we pick). Some Rookies are useful – especially older ones – but I believe you overrate the impact any pair of Rookies could have on our season, even if we happen to knock it out of the park, when you hope for dramatic improvements to a playoff-caliber team.

I disagree, I think if we basketball gods smile upon us and we get the #4 and #17 pick, it could change everything for us.

Miami went to the finals by adding Butler, drafting Hero, and giving Duncan Robinson playtime. Next year, we would be bringing Klay back and potentially drafting guys like Jalen Green/Jalen Suggs AND Josh Giddy/Jared Butler/Moses Moody/Usman Garuba. I might be higher on Green than a lot of people, but I think he could be better than Anthony Edwards and could develop into a Bradley Beal level scorer.

Duncan Robinson is undrafted 25 years old vet. You need real luck to find players like that. Miami lacks shooting and they've targeted shooters like Herro and Robinson and it has paid off. Bam is actually a positive player since year 1 and became a star in year 3. Outside of Poole we just dont have many good young players right now.

[mos_def]

The point is that no Rookie additions make you a ‘stacked team’ or ‘dramatically’ improve a playoff team. Certainly not any prospect that isn't considered generational (which we don't get where we pick). Some Rookies are useful – especially older ones – but I believe you overrate the impact any pair of Rookies could have on our season, even if we happen to knock it out of the park, when you hope for dramatic improvements to a playoff-caliber team.

In the other thread you said Wiseman doesn't project to be a Jokic...who was a second round pick. Your flopping like Vlade.

I disagree, I think if we basketball gods smile upon us and we get the #4 and #17 pick, it could change everything for us.

Miami went to the finals by adding Butler, drafting Hero, and giving Duncan Robinson playtime. Next year, we would be bringing Klay back and potentially drafting guys like Jalen Green/Jalen Suggs AND Josh Giddy/Jared Butler/Moses Moody/Usman Garuba. I might be higher on Green than a lot of people, but I think he could be better than Anthony Edwards and could develop into a Bradley Beal level scorer.

Duncan Robinson is undrafted 25 years old vet. You need real luck to find players like that. Miami lacks shooting and they've targeted shooters like Herro and Robinson and it has paid off. Bam is actually a positive player since year 1 and became a star in year 3. Outside of Poole we just dont have many good young players right now.

[a8bil]

I'll admit to having homer goggles when I say this, but I'm low key anticipating Chriss's return. He really looked like he was starting to put it together before his injury, particularly in the offensive flow. If he and Klay can come back healthy, and add a solid 1st round talent, I can see this squad being significantly improved next year.

Never mind...we traded him? What's the chance we re-sign him?

[Warriorfan]

Mia will decline team option on Iguadalla I'd bring him back.

I think GS will combine a signed Oubre and the pick for just below all star.

[Scoots1994]

Yeh I've seen this come up twice in other threads. Don't mean to be a debbie downer but it is literally impossible to acquire KAT without dumping Wiggins. 4/5 of our starters make around the max and our only non rookie deal, non minimum player is Looney at $5m (PO this year).

IMO this puts us in a weird position. Wiggins is objectively a valuable player now, but he makes too much. However, trading him as a toxic asset/salary filler in a deal would be a whiff for us. He should theoretically lower the amount of future picks we would need to give in a trade, but I highly doubt any team views it that way. So the options are basically keep him, dump him as filler or find guys around $10-12m in value that we could deal other pieces for. I'd guess we go for #3.

Pretty much.

Curry, Klay, Green, Wiseman are not getting moved. Wiggins would be moved in a heartbeat for a comparable player for less money or a better player, the problem is that's just not going to happen. So the Warriors can use Oubre to try to get something and the TPMLE to get something less, and vet min deals. That's what Myers has to work with.

It seems to me a vet big is the best case scenario ... Olynyk would be interesting.

Wiseman will be moved before Wiggins. 100%. Wiggins is expensive but you know what you can get from him, 18 ppg and good defense and barely getting hurt. Wiseman has the biggest negative impact right now, if you get rid of wiggins, we have too many holes (defense, playmaking, shooting. size) and we will be locked to be a bottom 5 team in the league. It's all about picking up vets to fill up the holes.

It's a stretch to say 100% ... Wiggins has that salary slot advantage and Wiseman just turned 20. How many teams have given up on a top 3 player in less than 2 years?

[watch1958]

a veteran point guard like Shaun Livingston, Jarret Jack type

CP3 completely transformed Phoenix (and previously the Thunder), but of course he's a HoFer

if we can get a cheap'ish veteran point guard that would be great. Kyle Lowry, Derrick Rose, Jeff Teague, Patty Mills

Maybe we can get Delon Wright from Sac. The don't really need 3 point guards.

He is signed through next year @ 8.6.
Been shooting 3s @ .370 for the last 2 seasons, career .350. This season was 4+ assist v 1.3 turnovers.

He has played as a starter, as a backup, as well as alongside another point. In Toronto in 17-18 he played on-court with Lowry 370 minutes at +6.7 per 100 possessions.

Not sure what the right deal would be.