The Around The NBA Thread

[CobyWhite0]

Lakers continue getting ref love. Great game but I can’t stand the amount of lopsided non-calls. Grandpa Lebron able to hack relentlessly.

Also, I’m going from ‘no thanks Schroder’ to ‘hell no to Schroder.’

I'm still shocked they didn't give Gramps the flagrant late in the game - they certainly didn't seem happy that Kerr had the balls to actually challenge the charge they gave to LeBron. Then they HAD to overturn it, who does Kerr think he is?

As for the bolded, you're wrong. By that, I mean "hell" isn't nearly strong enough... then again, the accurate words would have all been blocked by the profanity filter

[andrewww]

Lakers continue getting ref love. Great game but I can’t stand the amount of lopsided non-calls. Grandpa Lebron able to hack relentlessly.

Also, I’m going from ‘no thanks Schroder’ to ‘hell no to Schroder.’

GSW got screwed twice in the final two minutes.

The Dray moving screen that was stationary but the Laker player flopped.

The Wes Matthews travel in the post before the kickout for the lbj 3.

I will say, Vogel is very smart at his rotations when it comes to willingness at making in game adjustments. Every weak link sat the second half, and Caruso and Matthews played down the stretch which was the correct call given what was working.

[CobyWhite0]

Lakers continue getting ref love. Great game but I can’t stand the amount of lopsided non-calls. Grandpa Lebron able to hack relentlessly.

Also, I’m going from ‘no thanks Schroder’ to ‘hell no to Schroder.’

GSW got screwed twice in the final two minutes.

The Dray moving screen that was stationary but the Laker player flopped.

The Wes Matthews travel in the post before the kickout for the lbj 3.

I will say, Vogel is very smart at his rotations when it comes to willingness at making in game adjustments. Every weak link sat the second half, and Caruso and Matthews played down the stretch which was the correct call given what was working.

The moving screen call was downright atrocious.

But after replaying the travel, it wasn't nearly the blatant missed call I thought it was when first seeing it live.

[andrewww]

Lakers continue getting ref love. Great game but I can’t stand the amount of lopsided non-calls. Grandpa Lebron able to hack relentlessly.

Also, I’m going from ‘no thanks Schroder’ to ‘hell no to Schroder.’

GSW got screwed twice in the final two minutes.

The Dray moving screen that was stationary but the Laker player flopped.

The Wes Matthews travel in the post before the kickout for the lbj 3.

I will say, Vogel is very smart at his rotations when it comes to willingness at making in game adjustments. Every weak link sat the second half, and Caruso and Matthews played down the stretch which was the correct call given what was working.

The moving screen call was downright atrocious.

But after replaying the travel, it wasn't nearly the blatant missed call I thought it was when first seeing it live.

Forgot about the AD hold on the final inbounds play no wonder Curry couldnt catch it.

[jc23]

Man, a healthy warriors would have been fun to see vs the lakers.

[Leslie Forman]

Assuming they beat Memphis, I kinda think this is a blessing in disguise for the Warriors. I like their chances against Utah more than Phoenix.

[DuckIII]

Jaren Jackson really hasn't developed like many thought he would. He isn't terrible, but really hasn't progressed either.

Yeah injuries haven’t helped but he never made the leap he should be able to make.

JJ never stood out to me as a special prospect. A nice lottery prospect but nothing like some of the rave reviews I read here. Not saying I’m right because obviously injuries have really hurt his development so far. We may never know.

But I’ve seen a few of our posters compare Evan Mobley to JJ. I watched Evan Mobley play and he might as well have had a huge spotlight on him all game long, it was so obvious how special he is as a prospect. JJ never looked anything like that to my eye.

[MGB8]

Grrr... my prediction would have stood but for the refs....

[MGB8]

Jaren Jackson really hasn't developed like many thought he would. He isn't terrible, but really hasn't progressed either.

Yeah injuries haven’t helped but he never made the leap he should be able to make.

JJ never stood out to me as a special prospect. A nice lottery prospect but nothing like some of the rave reviews I read here. Not saying I’m right because obviously injuries have really hurt his development so far. We may never know.

But I’ve seen a few of our posters compare Evan Mobley to JJ. I watched Evan Mobley play and he might as well have had a huge spotlight on him all game long, it was so obvious how special he is as a prospect. JJ never looked anything like that to my eye.

I'm still all-in on JJJ, but his offensive aggression from pre-NBA hasn't translated. I don't know how much of that is injury or what.

Still, I think it is notable that despite Clarke being a pretty decent player, JJJ not only gets the start, but basically pushes Clarke to a fringe point in the rotation.

Defensively, JJJ has a pretty big impact (when healthy). But he's just been wildly inconsistent on offense. He also hasn't rebounded the way I expected. But how much of that is being on a team with a good number of rebounders --- and how much is "get back on D" vs. offensive rebounding coaching approach --- and how much is him maybe falling too in love with the 3 (and/or being told to emphasize it for "analytics" and/or to give Jonas room)?

[MGB8]

Assuming they beat Memphis, I kinda think this is a blessing in disguise for the Warriors. I like their chances against Utah more than Phoenix.

I agree - Utah right now is the easier draw - though ironically possibly not for the Lakers (who I expect to go to and likely win the finals, depending on whether Brooklyn gets its head on straight).

As for Golden State, I kind of see them losing to Memphis. Memphis locked down on a pretty decent and deep Spurs team, while Golden State put it all on the Court against the Lakers. I think that Golden State will be somewhat "depleted" energy wise against Memphis, while Memphis kind of got picked up there game from how they were playing (poorly) to end the season.

Plus, matchups... Memphis has an interior scorer who is hard to matchup with when you don't have a lot of size, plus a solid amount of depth. Not the best matchup for GS. Get ready for the "Steph Curry has been exposed" nonsense threads.

[CobyWhite0]

Yeah injuries haven’t helped but he never made the leap he should be able to make.

JJ never stood out to me as a special prospect. A nice lottery prospect but nothing like some of the rave reviews I read here. Not saying I’m right because obviously injuries have really hurt his development so far. We may never know.

But I’ve seen a few of our posters compare Evan Mobley to JJ. I watched Evan Mobley play and he might as well have had a huge spotlight on him all game long, it was so obvious how special he is as a prospect. JJ never looked anything like that to my eye.

I'm still all-in on JJJ, but his offensive aggression from pre-NBA hasn't translated. I don't know how much of that is injury or what.

Still, I think it is notable that despite Clarke being a pretty decent player, JJJ not only gets the start, but basically pushes Clarke to a fringe point in the rotation.

Defensively, JJJ has a pretty big impact (when healthy). But he's just been wildly inconsistent on offense. He also hasn't rebounded the way I expected. But how much of that is being on a team with a good number of rebounders --- and how much is "get back on D" vs. offensive rebounding coaching approach --- and how much is him maybe falling too in love with the 3 (and/or being told to emphasize it for "analytics" and/or to give Jonas room)?

I'm not going to pretend to know that much about JJJ, other than what I read here.

But the bolded - call me crazy, but it seems as if I've seen those exact same things written about an injury-prone 7' PF who was drafted #7 the year before JJJ was drafted?

[TheSuzerain]

JJJ averaged 22 points per 36 last year and shot high volume of 3's at basically 40%.

He's been quite good offensively. Injuries derailed his year this year.

[MrSparkle]

Lakers looked rough, and Warriors looked exceptionally sharp, considering how mediocre their depth is. I double down that the Wiseman draft was stupid. They could’ve made much better use of anybody else, including Okoro, Pat, Hali, obviously LaMelo as a Livingston super sub... hell even Deni, Okongwu and Hayes who all have gotten injured too. Not to mention they’d have gotten a trade down asset. Also didn’t like the Oubre trade; seemed like a waste of a valuable TPE and FRP. But it was strange that for a team with perhaps the best PG in history still in superstar form, they actually want for a high risk high ceiling bad fit center instead of addressing needs and depth. This Warriors team could’ve easily contended if they had a 2 better rotation players.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I like JJJ's fit in our frontcourt next to Vuc.

But the Bulls don't have much to trade at this point.

What's funny (or sad), is could the Bulls have gotten JJJ and Val for 2 1st round draft picks and WCJ? Because I would have rather had that return than Vuc.

[Andi Obst]

The Lakers look worse than last year, but one thing hasn't changed: they still play big until the other team forces them to stop playing their mediocre bigs at the 5 and go with AD instead. That immediately changed the game.

Curry was phenomenal. Sorry Grizzlies, I like you, but I need Curry in the playoffs. Go Warriors!

[Andi Obst]

Also, I’m going from ‘no thanks Schroder’ to ‘hell no to Schroder.’

I still refuse to believe that the Lakers offered him 4/84 (YIKES) and that he turned that down (YIIIIIIKES). Any team paying him close to that gets a meh player and will reget that deal immediately.

[othawhitemeat]

Lakers continue getting ref love. Great game but I can’t stand the amount of lopsided non-calls. Grandpa Lebron able to hack relentlessly.

Also, I’m going from ‘no thanks Schroder’ to ‘hell no to Schroder.’

You mean the game is swayed? If so, I totally 100% agree and why I don't watch much NBA in addition to how little defense there is at times. Although I did watch my first full game of the season last night and I thought Warriors did really well with the switch d method.

[MrSparkle]

Also, I’m going from ‘no thanks Schroder’ to ‘hell no to Schroder.’

I still refuse to believe that the Lakers offered him 4/84 (YIKES) and that he turned that down (YIIIIIIKES). Any team paying him close to that gets a meh player and will reget that deal immediately.

Yeah, I thought he might be poised for a late career push towards a higher level, but it looks like he's flat. 80/4 at best, is more like it.

[Ice Man]

Also, I’m going from ‘no thanks Schroder’ to ‘hell no to Schroder.’

The Lakers' raw on/off numbers say that LeBron is fantastic, then AD, KCP, and Caruso are mildly helpful, and everybody is meh. Perhaps a bit harsh on AD, but then again he has had a big drop-off this season. Otherwise about right.

I think the Lakers are ripe for the taking, and Utah is just the team to do that. Well, at least I sure do hope so.

[Michael Jackson]

Jaren Jackson really hasn't developed like many thought he would. He isn't terrible, but really hasn't progressed either.

Yeah injuries haven’t helped but he never made the leap he should be able to make.

JJ never stood out to me as a special prospect. A nice lottery prospect but nothing like some of the rave reviews I read here. Not saying I’m right because obviously injuries have really hurt his development so far. We may never know.

But I’ve seen a few of our posters compare Evan Mobley to JJ. I watched Evan Mobley play and he might as well have had a huge spotlight on him all game long, it was so obvious how special he is as a prospect. JJ never looked anything like that to my eye.

I do agree Mobley stands out more than J3. Still not sold on how good he is though. J3 was closer to what I saw in Wiseman, it looks like they have it but never quite sure. I have higher expectations for Mobley but I think some of that may just be this draft class giving me bias.