Kind of a head scratcher.
Moses had his best year last year and was one of the most bought in players.
I guess they are looking to replace him with a younger, cheaper option to save cap room for Scherff.
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long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
Kind of a head scratcher.
Moses had his best year last year and was one of the most bought in players.
I guess they are looking to replace him with a younger, cheaper option to save cap room for Scherff.
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
Kind of a head scratcher.
Moses had his best year last year and was one of the most bought in players.
I guess they are looking to replace him with a younger, cheaper option to save cap room for Scherff.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Wasn’t Moses is the one that got injured? He came back injured and that really hurt the team. Maybe it’s best both parties move on
Ruzious wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Wasn’t Moses is the one that got injured? He came back injured and that really hurt the team. Maybe it’s best both parties move on
Yeah, give him credit for playing hurt, but when he did that - he hurt the team by impersonating a matador. I think the real problem RR had with him was when he backed up Trent Williams and said something to the effect that it was about time someone stood up to Skins' management. It's one thing to stick up for your teammate, but taking a shot at your own team's management is a bozo no-no when your contract isn't guaranteed.
I don't get the Skins handling it this way - strategically. I think Moses had significant trade value. Just wait till some team that needs a tackle panics, and then trade him. He was signed for a reasonable price for this year and next. They destroyed his trade value, because teams know they'll end up cutting him if they can't get something for him.
Wizardspride wrote:Ruzious wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Wasn’t Moses is the one that got injured? He came back injured and that really hurt the team. Maybe it’s best both parties move on
Yeah, give him credit for playing hurt, but when he did that - he hurt the team by impersonating a matador. I think the real problem RR had with him was when he backed up Trent Williams and said something to the effect that it was about time someone stood up to Skins' management. It's one thing to stick up for your teammate, but taking a shot at your own team's management is a bozo no-no when your contract isn't guaranteed.
I don't get the Skins handling it this way - strategically. I think Moses had significant trade value. Just wait till some team that needs a tackle panics, and then trade him. He was signed for a reasonable price for this year and next. They destroyed his trade value, because teams know they'll end up cutting him if they can't get something for him.
According to various beat reporters Moses didn't/doesn't have much trade value.
BearlyBallin wrote:?s=2o
Too bad they couldn’t trade either one of them. Wonder who takes them off waivers...
Ruzious wrote:BearlyBallin wrote:?s=2o
Too bad they couldn’t trade either one of them. Wonder who takes them off waivers...
Very odd that they didn't at least wait a while for someone to make an offer for Moses. I get them wanting to move on from him, but I don't get not trying harder to get something for him.
Wizardspride wrote:Ruzious wrote:BearlyBallin wrote:?s=2o
Too bad they couldn’t trade either one of them. Wonder who takes them off waivers...
Very odd that they didn't at least wait a while for someone to make an offer for Moses. I get them wanting to move on from him, but I don't get not trying harder to get something for him.
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Moses Was Essentially a Free Agent
I had been thinking it to myself, and then OffSeasonOptimist articulated it perfectly in one of the Moses’ threads:
The economic mindset is that if you have a player with little to no dead money on his contract then each year the philosophy is to approach them like a free agent. If Moses was a free agent, would we pay him 7.5 million right now?
With no guaranteed money left on his contract in 2021 (just dead cap from the $1.9M signing bonus left), Moses was indeed, basically a free agent under the team’s control. I suspect that once they looked around and found that a starting left tackle, in Charles Leno, was costing them $5M (or less, we still haven’t seen the contract details), that they determined it wasn’t good value to be paying Moses $2.5M more than that at right tackle. And, I think that determination has been vindicated over the past week or so, as no one else seems interested in paying it either.
This is an incredibly sound way to evaluate players under contract, at or near the end of their guaranteed dollars, and in a year where the cap has taken 10% dip, it’s tough to be a player getting evaluated. At this point, Washington is paying Charles Leno and Cornelius Lucas, combined, what they are saving by releasing Moses ($7.5M).
A Trade Is a Zero Sum Game for the Team and Player
I haven’t seen it explicitly said, but I find it very difficult to imagine Washington didn’t try to shop Moses on the trade market before “letting him trying to find a trade partner himself.” To me, what that means is, the team received no interest given the current terms of Moses’ contract, and if he didn’t believe them, he was welcome to try for himself.
Of course, at this point, Moses found out what the team already had: No one is interested in paying $7.5M for an aging, though sturdy, right tackle, particularly if they have to give up a draft pick to do so. Any attempt to include draft capital in the trade would come directly out of the salary compensation Moses would be seeking, and my guess is the cost-benefit trade off - if there was even one on the table - of the salary Washington would have to eat in order to move Moses for a pick simply didn't make sense.
With his release, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Moses end up taking a 1-year deal in the $3-4M range, in an attempt to bide his time until 2022.
Ruzious wrote:Wizardspride wrote:Ruzious wrote:Very odd that they didn't at least wait a while for someone to make an offer for Moses. I get them wanting to move on from him, but I don't get not trying harder to get something for him.
?s=19
Moses Was Essentially a Free Agent
I had been thinking it to myself, and then OffSeasonOptimist articulated it perfectly in one of the Moses’ threads:
The economic mindset is that if you have a player with little to no dead money on his contract then each year the philosophy is to approach them like a free agent. If Moses was a free agent, would we pay him 7.5 million right now?
With no guaranteed money left on his contract in 2021 (just dead cap from the $1.9M signing bonus left), Moses was indeed, basically a free agent under the team’s control. I suspect that once they looked around and found that a starting left tackle, in Charles Leno, was costing them $5M (or less, we still haven’t seen the contract details), that they determined it wasn’t good value to be paying Moses $2.5M more than that at right tackle. And, I think that determination has been vindicated over the past week or so, as no one else seems interested in paying it either.
This is an incredibly sound way to evaluate players under contract, at or near the end of their guaranteed dollars, and in a year where the cap has taken 10% dip, it’s tough to be a player getting evaluated. At this point, Washington is paying Charles Leno and Cornelius Lucas, combined, what they are saving by releasing Moses ($7.5M).
A Trade Is a Zero Sum Game for the Team and Player
I haven’t seen it explicitly said, but I find it very difficult to imagine Washington didn’t try to shop Moses on the trade market before “letting him trying to find a trade partner himself.” To me, what that means is, the team received no interest given the current terms of Moses’ contract, and if he didn’t believe them, he was welcome to try for himself.
Of course, at this point, Moses found out what the team already had: No one is interested in paying $7.5M for an aging, though sturdy, right tackle, particularly if they have to give up a draft pick to do so. Any attempt to include draft capital in the trade would come directly out of the salary compensation Moses would be seeking, and my guess is the cost-benefit trade off - if there was even one on the table - of the salary Washington would have to eat in order to move Moses for a pick simply didn't make sense.
With his release, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Moses end up taking a 1-year deal in the $3-4M range, in an attempt to bide his time until 2022.
I think that's 100% a rationalization. Successful negotiating is like a poker game. When you give away your hand - by telling everyone what your cards are - you're basically... a sucker. Telling everyone you're shopping Moses was the bozo no-no. And the thing is - there was no rush. Just be patient, and you will most likely get an offer.
Wizardspride wrote:Ruzious wrote:Wizardspride wrote:?s=19
Moses Was Essentially a Free Agent
I had been thinking it to myself, and then OffSeasonOptimist articulated it perfectly in one of the Moses’ threads:
The economic mindset is that if you have a player with little to no dead money on his contract then each year the philosophy is to approach them like a free agent. If Moses was a free agent, would we pay him 7.5 million right now?
With no guaranteed money left on his contract in 2021 (just dead cap from the $1.9M signing bonus left), Moses was indeed, basically a free agent under the team’s control. I suspect that once they looked around and found that a starting left tackle, in Charles Leno, was costing them $5M (or less, we still haven’t seen the contract details), that they determined it wasn’t good value to be paying Moses $2.5M more than that at right tackle. And, I think that determination has been vindicated over the past week or so, as no one else seems interested in paying it either.
This is an incredibly sound way to evaluate players under contract, at or near the end of their guaranteed dollars, and in a year where the cap has taken 10% dip, it’s tough to be a player getting evaluated. At this point, Washington is paying Charles Leno and Cornelius Lucas, combined, what they are saving by releasing Moses ($7.5M).
A Trade Is a Zero Sum Game for the Team and Player
I haven’t seen it explicitly said, but I find it very difficult to imagine Washington didn’t try to shop Moses on the trade market before “letting him trying to find a trade partner himself.” To me, what that means is, the team received no interest given the current terms of Moses’ contract, and if he didn’t believe them, he was welcome to try for himself.
Of course, at this point, Moses found out what the team already had: No one is interested in paying $7.5M for an aging, though sturdy, right tackle, particularly if they have to give up a draft pick to do so. Any attempt to include draft capital in the trade would come directly out of the salary compensation Moses would be seeking, and my guess is the cost-benefit trade off - if there was even one on the table - of the salary Washington would have to eat in order to move Moses for a pick simply didn't make sense.
With his release, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Moses end up taking a 1-year deal in the $3-4M range, in an attempt to bide his time until 2022.
I think that's 100% a rationalization. Successful negotiating is like a poker game. When you give away your hand - by telling everyone what your cards are - you're basically... a sucker. Telling everyone you're shopping Moses was the bozo no-no. And the thing is - there was no rush. Just be patient, and you will most likely get an offer.
Honestly, I just think they want Cosmi to start and didn't want a potential distraction in Moses.
Ron strikes me as a "distraction adverse" dude in general.
Not the way I would have handled it but it is what it is.
tontoz wrote:The Athletic ranked the NFL teams that improved the most through free agency and the draft. WFT was number 1.
Article is behind a paywall so i cant see what they said specifically. Heard about it on a podcast.
https://theathletic.com/2597505/2021/05/19/the-five-most-improved-nfl-teams-this-offseason-after-the-draft-free-agency/