We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

[Rays Pompadour]

Malik Monk is still just about all potential. His stats simply don't paint the full picture due to his injury history (even his first training camp), drug issues, immaturity and COVID setback. The Hornets will have to evaluate his psychological fitness before gambling on his athletic potential. The latter is unquestioned, mostly.

If I'm a risk-taker, which I'm not but it's not my money, I go full-commit to Monk. I've mentioned Gary Trent, Jr. as a comp, so I'll stick with that. You don't have to draft Monk again, you don't have to get to know him, you don't have to develop him. All you have to do, if you're the Hornets, is decide if he's a part of your future. I think he is, even if he'll cost more than his production warrants.

With Ball in the fold, I even start Monk (I'd tell him that this summer and let him go to work) and let the two of them grow together. And if he tops out, or regresses, he's an intriguing future trade piece. Either way, he's an asset in the mold of what Charlotte wants to do - draft and develop young, uber-talented athletes. If they become fine young men, well, that's a bonus.

[CuseMayne]

Yeah...anything more than 7-8mil is too much. His flashes are great though.

[JDR720]

He is either really solid or really bad.

In the last 10 games, he is averaging 8pts on 34% shooting.

I think why Martin ( which one I have no clue ) play over him is because they are more versatile. Monk doesn't do anything positive when he isn't scoring, but the Martins are better all-around so even if they don't score either, they can contribute in other ways even if it isn't much.

What we need is a larger scoring guard. Our SG's are all converted PG's which makes them undersized. Rozier, Graham, Riller, Monk etc.

[Roll Tide 09]

I think Monk would benefit from having a contract with a lot of incentives embedded. But to keep him from chucking, I would hold one incentive to only average 10-12 points per game, play/or be available in at least 70 games, and a lot of other incentives. He's on the right track, but he needs to be more consistent and to do that, he might need one extra push. I would say the same thing for Washington, but he plays most games like he doesn't even enjoy his career. You cannot incentivize effort and ambition.

[predators]

He's low key a 3p specialist and has similar shooting splits as Clippers era JJ Redick. Over half his shots are from 3 and 80% of those shots are assisted. I don't think he has a lot of control of when he goes nuclear which is why he's so inconsistent. (He's got a lot of single digit games)

I don't mind keeping him, but I'm also not going to lose sleep if we let him walk. I kind of want to see what mythical "Mature Monk" in a regular offseason looks like, but I don't want to pay > 10 million/yr to see it.

[Rich4114]

He’s greatly improved his three point shot but has not been nearly as good getting to the rim and finishing this season as last. He has, however been excellent creating for others and that’s the piece that flies under the radar for everyone.

I think if JB really showed confidence in him, he’d be what we saw earlier this season before the ankle.

[euphorbus]

Monk was exposed on defense against the Pacers. Their guards and forwards kept driving right at him. He kept up with the drives but failed to stop any of them, although he did force a miss on one occasion, and got his hand on the ball on another. This summer, he needs to work on his man-to-man defensive techniques.

On the other hand, given that he was staying with the dribbler, it is astounding that no one came over to help. And this was true for every other player who was the victim of the Pacers' drives to the basket. The switching defense that was so effective in February was nowhere to be found.

The worst way to end a season. And quite possibly the end of Mr. Monk's career in teal.

[euphorbus]

“If they want me here, I’d love to be here,” Monk said, “but I want to feel wanted.”

Nothing shows love like being fourth man off the bench, or getting one start in four full years. Watch what they do, not what they say!

[Chapelchilla]

“If they want me here, I’d love to be here,” Monk said, “but I want to feel wanted.”

Nothing shows love like being fourth man off the bench, or getting one start in four full years. Watch what they do, not what they say!

He never earned more then what he got here, we better not overpay this guy.

[Braggins]

Monks 24 games from when he was inserted into the rotation and when he sprained his ankle was just as long of a run of good play as Miles closing stretch of the season (both 24 games). Miles was more impressive overall imo and I do think he has an edge as a prospect (I don't even think Monk is that great), but he was doing a disappearing act for like half of the season while getting penciled in for 30 minutes every night, which shouldn't be any less disqualifying than Monk having a rough 10 game stretch after returning from injury. Monk also never had the benefit of the minutes and leash Miles had and was dealing with adversity all season (covid, grandma dying of covid, returning from his first major injury). Considering they are the same age and both were drafted 11/12, I find it interesting how vastly different the perceptions of the two are on this board. Miles is obviously a future stud and most still think Monk sucks and insist he was actually terrible for most of the season and we definitely need to get rid of him.

(this post is supposed to be a bat signal for Dy_Nasty)

[Roll Tide 09]

Monk, with a bit more growth, could be similar to Lou Williams.


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[euphorbus]

Monk, with a bit more growth, could be similar to Lou Williams.

If the rumors have any truth, that is what the Lakers are looking for (though nowhere as consistent). The Knicks, on the other hand, are looking for a player like the young Derrick Rose (though nowhere near as brilliant).

Meanwhile, the Hornets are looking for a backup shooting guard, like Troy Daniels.

[SWedd523]

Monks 24 games from when he was inserted into the rotation and when he sprained his ankle was just as long of a run of good play as Miles closing stretch of the season (both 24 games). Miles was more impressive overall imo and I do think he has an edge as a prospect (I don't even think Monk is that great), but he was doing a disappearing act for like half of the season while getting penciled in for 30 minutes every night, which shouldn't be any less disqualifying than Monk having a rough 10 game stretch after returning from injury. Monk also never had the benefit of the minutes and leash Miles had and was dealing with adversity all season (covid, grandma dying of covid, returning from his first major injury). Considering they are the same age and both were drafted 11/12, I find it interesting how vastly different the perceptions of the two are on this board. Miles is obviously a future stud and most still think Monk sucks and insist he was actually terrible for most of the season and we definitely need to get rid of him.

(this post is supposed to be a bat signal for Dy_Nasty)

I've been vocally dubious of both, for whatever that is worth. And I still think giving either one of them a long term contract is a very dangerous play because guys are found every year who can duplicate what they "generally" provide on rookie deals or palatable vet deals.

However, while both players have spent of the majority of their careers being "meh" guys with random purple patches thrown in, Miles at least has been able to impact the box score in other ways.

When Monk isn't lighting up the scoreboard, he REALLY struggles to add value anywhere else--be it defensively, rebounds, assists, etc.

[Liver_Pooty]

Monk, with a bit more growth, could be similar to Lou Williams.


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A lot more growth. Exponential amount of growth.

[JDR720]

Miles just needs to be consistently aggressive and not be so passive. He is sort of like MKG was early on, when he is aggressive he can do really good but when he isn't he is anonymous.

Monk needs to be more consistent in general. He is sort of like Kemba early on, sometimes he shoots really well and sometimes he sucks and can't hit the broad side of a barn.

I have more confidence in Miles than Monk. Although I do think there is a legit chance Monk leaves and ends up averaging 20ppg in couple years. Hell, look at Christian Wood in Houston for a potential "into the future" of Monk comparison.

[Rich4114]

I don’t know that Monk comes back without the organization assuring him of a more consistent role. There will be teams out there who may do that or even offer a starter position. I just know we will regret it if he goes somewhere else and lights it up. He’s so young still and has so much unique skill. I definitely hope we sign him. It’s a shame to invest in a lottery pick only to incubate them for four years and send them off to be highly productive for someone else with nothing in return. Mitch did recognize he might be one of those most talented players on the team. JB just couldn’t help himself with the Martin’s because of how hard they play despite their lack of skill. Maybe it all depends on what Monk wants or expects. Maybe he’d do a shorter term deal for a chance to earn a bigger contract like Terry did.

I’m just picturing LaMelo or Terry going to the bench next year and having to deal with scoring droughts because the Martin twins are out there tossing bricks.

[Roll Tide 09]

Miles just needs to be consistently aggressive and not be so passive. He is sort of like MKG was early on, when he is aggressive he can do really good but when he isn't he is anonymous.

Monk needs to be more consistent in general. He is sort of like Kemba early on, sometimes he shoots really well and sometimes he sucks and can't hit the broad side of a barn.

I have more confidence in Miles than Monk. Although I do think there is a legit chance Monk leaves and ends up averaging 20ppg in couple years. Hell, look at Christian Wood in Houston for a potential "into the future" of Monk comparison.

Yep! We allowed Wood to slide right out of here.

[BigSlam]

Maybe he’d do a shorter term deal for a chance to earn a bigger contract like Terry did.

Hi think a short term “show me” contract on the cheap for Monk would be perfect. Same sort of contract we gave Wallace back in the day.

Something that runs 1 year longer than TRo’s so that we have overlap and also a window to trade TRo for assets if Monk does actually “show us”.

[Rich4114]

Maybe he’d do a shorter term deal for a chance to earn a bigger contract like Terry did.

Hi think a short term “show me” contract on the cheap for Monk would be perfect. Same sort of contract we gave Wallace back in the day.

Something that runs 1 year longer than TRo’s so that we have overlap and also a window to trade TRo for assets if Monk does actually “show us”.

That would be the first long term strategic cap move I’ve seen from this org in a long time. Would love it if they made that type of move. Gives everyone options, players and organization.

[Chapelchilla]

Monk will still be undersized, with loose handles and plays weak D
Those are not "lets pay him the big bucks" starting 2 guard qualities