GO CRAZY PAT! - Patrick Williams thread p2

[sco]

Pat kept saying he can be good as he wants to be.

What is that? He never specified. I believe he needs to have the courage to say, I want to be an all-star. Or I want to be MVP or whatever so he knows specifically what it's going to take to get there.

Awareness is so important in life.

https://www.nba.com/bulls/features/patrick-williams-his-future-i-want-be-known-one-greats-league

"For me, it's more mental than anything," he admitted. "I have to learn how to control my mentality and to really dial in 100 percent mentally. I think that will make me the player that I want to be and that I need to be. I want to be known as one of the greats in this league. I think I have all the tools I need to be able to do that. Skill, athleticism, pretty much everything that I need. And then also when you have a coaching staff, a front office and good teammates that have your back, I mean I have everything on my side. It's just up to me to put the work in each and every day, focus in on the goal at hand. Just be as good as I want to be. The ball is in my court. I definitely want to be great in this league."
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I think "one of the greats in this league" certainly encompasses All-Star, and a truly "great" player should be an MVP candidate.

Ok, but c'mon, how many 20 year olds have that level of self-awareness. It is all about work ethic and the rewards that come from that (and luck).

[CobyWhite0]

Pat kept saying he can be good as he wants to be.

What is that? He never specified. I believe he needs to have the courage to say, I want to be an all-star. Or I want to be MVP or whatever so he knows specifically what it's going to take to get there.

Awareness is so important in life.

https://www.nba.com/bulls/features/patrick-williams-his-future-i-want-be-known-one-greats-league

"For me, it's more mental than anything," he admitted. "I have to learn how to control my mentality and to really dial in 100 percent mentally. I think that will make me the player that I want to be and that I need to be. I want to be known as one of the greats in this league. I think I have all the tools I need to be able to do that. Skill, athleticism, pretty much everything that I need. And then also when you have a coaching staff, a front office and good teammates that have your back, I mean I have everything on my side. It's just up to me to put the work in each and every day, focus in on the goal at hand. Just be as good as I want to be. The ball is in my court. I definitely want to be great in this league."
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I think "one of the greats in this league" certainly encompasses All-Star, and a truly "great" player should be an MVP candidate.

Ok, but c'mon, how many 20 year olds have that level of self-awareness. It is all about work ethic and the rewards that come from that (and luck).

I know, I was just poking some fun at the notion that it really makes a difference if a 20-year-old says he wants to be an All-Star, or MVP, or great, or All-NBA or 2nd team All-Defense or a top 27 scorer.

[waffle]

I have more confidence in Pwill's chance to become a solid starter than I did for Lauri or WCJ. I hope his D improves some (it's already v. good) and he learns to take shots when they are offered in the flow of the game. For his age he makes very few IDIOT mistakes.

[GoBlue72391]

I have more confidence in Pwill's chance to become a solid starter than I did for Lauri or WCJ. I hope his D improves some (it's already v. good) and he learns to take shots when they are offered in the flow of the game. For his age he makes very few IDIOT mistakes.

"I hope his D improves some (it's already v. good)"

This is a myth that needs to die. His defensive reputation is entirely unwarranted. The truth is he's a below average defender right now, but he has potential to be a good defender in the future.

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[fleet]

It sort of looks like he won’t be a big numbers guy. Maybe the Rasheed Wallace of tweeners is his upside. I can see him being a poor man’s Rasheed Wallace of tweeners.

[Ayman78]

I'd like to see the team move P. Williams to the starting PF next season, and bring Troy Brown Jr. in as the starting SF. This will improve the team defense and provide solid floor spacing, especially if the team can sign Lonzo Ball.

[Ayman78]

I'd like to see the team move P. Williams to the starting PF next season, and bring Troy Brown Jr. in as the starting SF. This will improve the team defense and provide solid floor spacing, especially if the team can sign Lonzo Ball.

Also, this lineup forces P. Williams to become the third scoring option and aid in his development as a scorer.

[pipfan]

I am cool with this idea. Vuc is tough on the boards, Williams is not quick laterally, so he might be better on D at the 4. How many 4 men will overpower him in today's league?

[waffle]

there are more stretch 4's than power 4's nowendays....

[GoBlue72391]

I'd like to see the team move P. Williams to the starting PF next season, and bring Troy Brown Jr. in as the starting SF. This will improve the team defense and provide solid floor spacing, especially if the team can sign Lonzo Ball.

Ehh. Unless PWill takes a huge leap next season, which I'm not sure is a fair expectation, then that's 2 really weak, low end starters (TBJ, PWill) plus another who cannot provide any scoring outside of catch and shoot 3s (Lonzo). TBJ isn't a proven 3 point shooter and neither is PWill. TBJ shot 31% from 3 this year on very low volume (2.1 attempts per game) and only shoots 33% for his career. PWill shot a very nice 39%, but it was also on very low volume (1.9 attempts per game) and they were mostly wide open catch and shoot attempts. His slow release makes me question if he'll ever be able to increase that volume to more than 3 or so attempts per game. Unless of course he speeds up his release in the future.

I think TBJ is a fine bench player or an acceptable 5th starter if the other 4 starters are all above average. Both he and PWill have potential, but when Lonzo is likely the 3rd best scorer/offensive player in your starting lineup then there's going to be major issues. We'd be lucky to get 40 PPG combined out of those 3 (Lonzo 15, PWill 12, TBJ 10 is about what I would expect). I still think we need that 3rd guy to take the load off Zach and Vuch. Whether that's Coby, Lauri, or someone not yet on the roster. PWill will hopefully be that guy down the line, but next season is likely too early to expect that from him.

If we were rebuilding then I would be completely fine starting both PWill and TBJ, but we're clearly trying to win now, so therefore we should only start one of them (and that clearly should be PWill).

[MrFortune3]

The one thing I want to see from Pwill next year is more aggressiveness on offense. He needs to assert himself and make himself a problem the defense has to account for.

[GoBlue72391]

The one thing I want to see from Pwill next year is more aggressiveness on offense. He needs to assert himself and make himself a problem the defense has to account for.

We all want to see that. It's something we've all wanted to see from Lauri for the past four seasons, too. It's very hard to break out of that passive mindset when it's a player's default setting.

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[fleet]

That’s why I like a Sheed comparison for Pat’s ultimate potential as a winning player. You don’t have to be a big numbers player to be a nice starter. Hell he can easily walk right into a Battier/Fox level contributer already, which is fine as a floor.

[GoBlue72391]

That’s why I like a Sheed comparison for Pat’s ultimate potential as a winning player. You don’t have to be a big numbers player to be a nice starter. Hell he can easily walk right into a Battier/Fox level contributer already, which is fine as a floor.

He has a long way to go to get to Battier's level as a defender. Or shooter for that matter. I think it's a stretch to say that's something he can easily walk right into.

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[fleet]

Battier was an old rookie. Pat has years to develop, and has everything physically and character wise to make it with favorable odds imo

[GoBlue72391]

Battier was an old rookie. Pat has years to develop, and has everything physically and character wise to make it with favorable odds imo

I can agree with that, but your initial comment made it seem like he can easily become that player as soon as next season. That is a possibility, but I think it will take a few years for PWill to begin blossoming.

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[JohnnyTapwater]

https://www.nba.com/bulls/features/patrick-williams-his-future-i-want-be-known-one-greats-league

"For me, it's more mental than anything," he admitted. "I have to learn how to control my mentality and to really dial in 100 percent mentally. I think that will make me the player that I want to be and that I need to be. I want to be known as one of the greats in this league. I think I have all the tools I need to be able to do that. Skill, athleticism, pretty much everything that I need. And then also when you have a coaching staff, a front office and good teammates that have your back, I mean I have everything on my side. It's just up to me to put the work in each and every day, focus in on the goal at hand. Just be as good as I want to be. The ball is in my court. I definitely want to be great in this league."
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I think "one of the greats in this league" certainly encompasses All-Star, and a truly "great" player should be an MVP candidate.

Ok, but c'mon, how many 20 year olds have that level of self-awareness. It is all about work ethic and the rewards that come from that (and luck).

I know, I was just poking some fun at the notion that it really makes a difference if a 20-year-old says he wants to be an All-Star, or MVP, or great, or All-NBA or 2nd team All-Defense or a top 27 scorer.

It does make a difference. The address we put in our GPS leads us directly to our destination. And if we're off course, we know what we have to do to get back.

"One of the greats" is still vague. It absolves you of any culpability from not reaching your goal if you don't explicitly say it.

Pay attention.

[Chi town]

Probably why Thad stays.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/bulls-need-patrick-williams-heed-thad-youngs-words-year-2?amp&__twitter_impression=true

[Chi town]

There’s a lot there. I agree it’s mental. Full summer and training camp and I think we will see a more aggressive PW.

Watch on YouTube

[sco]

Probably why Thad stays.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/bulls-need-patrick-williams-heed-thad-youngs-words-year-2?amp&__twitter_impression=true

“I really think I can be as good as I want to be,” Williams said. “The size, the strength, the athleticism, I pretty much have it all. For me it’s more mental than anything. I have to learn how to control my mentality and to really dial in 100 percent mentally, and I think that will make me the player that I want to be and that I need to be.

“I want to be known as one of the greats in this league for sure. I think I have all the tools I need to be able to do that. You know, skill, athleticism, pretty much everything that I need, and then also when you have a coaching staff, a front office and good teammates that have your back, I mean I have everything on my side. It’s just up to me to put the work in each and every day, and focus in on the goal at hand. Just be as good as I want to be.

“The ball is in my court for sure. I definitely want to be great in this league. I was talking to Thad [Sunday] honestly about just how good I can be in this league, and he kind of told me I can be as good as I want to be. I just got to be more aggressive and take it into mind that I have everything I need.’’

Well, I guess he read the thread, but after Tyrus "eating souls", I'm a "show me" sorta guy now.