Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 3.0

[HornetJail]

Hadn't seen this before, but apparently last week Brian Windhorst said there's a "good chance" Vic Oladipo misses all next season after his surgery.

Tough break for him, hope he gets back soon. On a practical note that can sure change things for Miami's offseason.

Not to be too callous, but this has absolutely best case scenario upside for Miami. If Oladipo is indeed out for the season, they could sign him to a cheap 1 year deal, and still have full bird rights to pay him a bushel in another year, while retaining cap space for someone else in the mean time (and having a low cap hit that '22 offseason before re-signing him).
It just is a rare chance to legitimately zag your cap numbers so you can add more talent than normally feasible.

why does Dipo agree to that though? He's talented enough that someone will give him more than a cheap 1 year deal, I expect him to follow the money.

[Scoot McGroot]

Hadn't seen this before, but apparently last week Brian Windhorst said there's a "good chance" Vic Oladipo misses all next season after his surgery.

Tough break for him, hope he gets back soon. On a practical note that can sure change things for Miami's offseason.

Not to be too callous, but this has absolutely best case scenario upside for Miami. If Oladipo is indeed out for the season, they could sign him to a cheap 1 year deal, and still have full bird rights to pay him a bushel in another year, while retaining cap space for someone else in the mean time (and having a low cap hit that '22 offseason before re-signing him).
It just is a rare chance to legitimately zag your cap numbers so you can add more talent than normally feasible.

why does Dipo agree to that though? He's talented enough that someone will give him more than a cheap 1 year deal, I expect him to follow the money.

What would any team realistically offer him on a 2 year deal if he can’t play 1 year? A 3 year deal? Why wouldn’t he prefer a 1 year deal to rehab and then re enter the market, while having a full Bird rights option somewhere?

[Texas Chuck]

I for one think Dipo is going to find an incredibly soft market even if he can present a bill of health that suggests he'd be available for half the season. He's not been a particularly good player for several years now, his short and long term health are major, major concerns, and there have been at least whispers that he's not exactly been the easiest guy to get along with.

IDK, seems like if there was a potentially robust free agency market for him, there would have been more of a trade market. Why wouldn't other potential suitors want to take a flier on him for the rest of the year especially since the price to beat was so small?

[NYG]

I for one think Dipo is going to find an incredibly soft market even if he can present a bill of health that suggests he'd be available for half the season. He's not been a particularly good player for several years now, his short and long term health are major, major concerns, and there have been at least whispers that he's not exactly been the easiest guy to get along with.

IDK, seems like if there was a potentially robust free agency market for him, there would have been more of a trade market. Why wouldn't other potential suitors want to take a flier on him for the rest of the year especially since the price to beat was so small?

DeMarcus Cousins 2.0? Lakers for tax MLE?

[Texas Chuck]

I for one think Dipo is going to find an incredibly soft market even if he can present a bill of health that suggests he'd be available for half the season. He's not been a particularly good player for several years now, his short and long term health are major, major concerns, and there have been at least whispers that he's not exactly been the easiest guy to get along with.

IDK, seems like if there was a potentially robust free agency market for him, there would have been more of a trade market. Why wouldn't other potential suitors want to take a flier on him for the rest of the year especially since the price to beat was so small?

DeMarcus Cousins 2.0? Lakers for tax MLE?

If he's signing for that little he should absolutely do it for Miami and preserve those Bird Rights. But I don't see some significant long-term deal out there for him. I'd say top bid is probably something like full MLE 1+1 with that 2nd year a TO.

[zimpy27]

I for one think Dipo is going to find an incredibly soft market even if he can present a bill of health that suggests he'd be available for half the season. He's not been a particularly good player for several years now, his short and long term health are major, major concerns, and there have been at least whispers that he's not exactly been the easiest guy to get along with.

IDK, seems like if there was a potentially robust free agency market for him, there would have been more of a trade market. Why wouldn't other potential suitors want to take a flier on him for the rest of the year especially since the price to beat was so small?

DeMarcus Cousins 2.0? Lakers for tax MLE?

If he's signing for that little he should absolutely do it for Miami and preserve those Bird Rights. But I don't see some significant long-term deal out there for him. I'd say top bid is probably something like full MLE 1+1 with that 2nd year a TO.

I could see Knicks taking a gamble.

[NYG]

DeMarcus Cousins 2.0? Lakers for tax MLE?

If he's signing for that little he should absolutely do it for Miami and preserve those Bird Rights. But I don't see some significant long-term deal out there for him. I'd say top bid is probably something like full MLE 1+1 with that 2nd year a TO.

I could see Knicks taking a gamble.

Yeah if it's a 1 year deal at like just over full MLE, why not?

[Norm2953]

I've been wondering how much of impact the sudden increase in the number of fans in NBA home
arenas for instead of the 10% we have been seeing, the Knicks will suddenly have 15k fans and a
number of arenas will see 10-13k fans in attendance. One would think its about to get really hard
to win many games on the road for those players have gotten used to status quo for most of the
season.

[Resistance]

Since Victor is 29 and has history of missing time due to injuries, I have him looking to set himself up for one last major contract.

If he doesn't go the route of preserving his Bird Rights by staying with Miami then he will probably be looking for a team that will have cap space in summer 2022. If he signs a modest contract in summer 2021 with a team that won't have cap space in summer 2022, then he is a flight risk to leave in summer 2022 because his modest salary for the 2021-22 season won't give him a large enough base (cap hold) to catapult him to a large contract in summer 2022.

The rebuilding teams with cap space this summer will likely be reluctant to sign him because he doesn't fit their timeline and/or they already have enough older guards with injury history such as Houston.

The taxpayer teams might be interested in him, but they won't have cap space to give him a large contract in summer 2022. Committing a roster spot to a player that will likely leave (if healthy) the following season doesn't seem like the right move.

I know that Durant received a large contract and missed a season, but it feels different with Victor.

[NYG]

It's not thread worthy because LaMelo makes it a horrible deal for Charlotte, but value wise does Kemba back to Charlotte in exchange for Hayward back to Boston about equal?

[HornetJail]

It's not thread worthy because LaMelo makes it a horrible deal for Charlotte, but value wise does Kemba back to Charlotte in exchange for Hayward back to Boston about equal?

our top 7 players would be PJ, Miles, and five combo guards, so it really makes no sense from a fit standpoint.

[Scoot McGroot]

Read on Twitter

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Reads like new surgeon is calling prior surgeon a quack

[ThatBoyNick]

I see the tax MLE as the max for Dipo at this point. MAYBE some team gets desperate and offers him a 2/20, but I'd see him getting the min as equally as likely.

[Scoot McGroot]

I see the tax MLE as the max for Dipo at this point. MAYBE some team gets desperate and offers him a 2/20, but I'd see him getting the min as equally as likely.

I think this locks him into Miami. Can’t see him signing a small money deal elsewhere AND giving up his full bird rights by changing teams. Even a vet minimum 1 year deal in Miami would make more sense than a taxpayer MLE, as he’d re-enter free agency with Miami having the ability to give him anything up to the max, or S&T him out for anything up to the max. Obviously, Miami would have to be interested, though.

[Texas Chuck]

When a player can't get minutes on the Kings, you should definitely make him a major part of your playoff rotation, Brad.....

[Dn4sty]

When a player can't get minutes on the Kings, you should definitely make him a major part of your playoff rotation, Brad.....

They’ve missed on so many picks in the war chest they are now kinda stuck

[loserX]

Blake Griffin started, playing 20 minutes. He had 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals...and 0 FGA, lol. (He did get one point, going 1/2 on his FTA.) Would be curious to know how many starting Cs have played that many minutes and gotten more assists and steals than shots.

[Godaddycurse]

I think oladipo should sign a 1+1 TO for like 15-20M per. Team basically split his max salary over 2 yrs. If his rehab goes poorly can cut bait or get a value contract second yr if it goes well

[zimpy27]

When a player can't get minutes on the Kings, you should definitely make him a major part of your playoff rotation, Brad.....

They’ve missed on so many picks in the war chest they are now kinda stuck

They missed on late picks and talent just walked out the door in FA prior to trades. Just bad asset management.

[pacers33granger]

Blake Griffin started, playing 20 minutes. He had 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals...and 0 FGA, lol. (He did get one point, going 1/2 on his FTA.) Would be curious to know how many starting Cs have played that many minutes and gotten more assists and steals than shots.

Chuck Hayes has to have done it numerous times.