2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[God Squad]

Who wanted DeMar back? 5/21 FG performance

Par the course when it comes to DeMar and playoff environment. I'm starting to question if he's even better than JV (who I miss and has been balling in Memphis). I just wish JV would have developed better defensively, particularly pick and roll.

[bluerap23]

It's not that the Raptors wouldn't necessarily not trade for Kemba, it's that the demands would be around how many assets do we get back for taking on their bad contract (that took the place of their old, injury prone bad contract: Hayward).

We could take Kemba on for free in cap space this summer, but we'd have to get Boston's first rounder to do it, at minimum.

If they want a replacement guard with value like Fred or a Lowry S&T; then we're going to need 2 or 3 first rounders and/or prospects. You don't get to dump your injury riddled over 30 year old max contracts for free. And you certainly don't get younger, better players for them like Siakam. Laughably absurd.

Ya, Horford is still good and needed a 1st pick and Maledon's rights (early 2nd rounder) attached.

Raptors also have too many guards. Maybe Boston should trade Kemba and 1st pick to OKC for Horford.

Considering Kemba was better than Horford this year, I severely doubt that.

I more presented this trade because Siakam's contract, while far from the worst, doesn't look great right now...plus he's got 3 more years left on it. If the Raps decide to go full tank, they should consider unloading Siakam now IMO

Keep dreaming. Pascal Siakam is not Al Horford. If we wanted to trade him we would get WAY more than your broken down Kemba.

[bluerap23]

Who wanted DeMar back? 5/21 FG performance

hey look, we know that Demar. **** playoff performer.

**** off.

Yeah watching last night gave me bad ptsd flashbacks.

JV on the other hand - oooh la la

[Ell Curry]

If we sign and trade Lowry for 10-15 Million in salary, like George Hill and Maxey/Thybulle or a pick, or Pat Beverley and a pick, I could see us taking on Marvin Bagley if Sacramento is sick of him and wants the cap space. Could even trade down from 7 to 8 if they're freaking out over getting their guy.

We missed out on Randle and a flier on a talented big man who hasn't figured out how to help his team win might make more sense than just settling for an MLE guy like Theis.

[Bruin]

I’m sure some will hate this idea but after seeing the Warriors get eliminated, I wonder if they feel more enticed to making a big move. 2 straight non playoff years during Curry’s prime is pretty tough to deal with

I don’t think the Warriors can afford to waste anymore years of Curry’s Mvp level basketball. I think they’ll be trying to make a big move to go all in next year and they don’t really have all the time in the world to develop Wiseman and whoever they get with the Wolves pick

Wiggins + Minny pick for Siakam? Probably would need some tweaking to get both sides to agree but I’d be open to something like this.

It would allow us to build around the OG/Trent/2 lotto picks timeline instead of the Siakam/Fred timeline

There’s some good convo here on the warriors Reddit page. There’s one post there that opened the discussion surrounding Siakam for Wiggins + pick and most fans seem to be open to it and maybe even include their own pick too
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/niaufz/3_moves_fo_should_make_this_offseason/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[BoyzNTheHood]

I’m sure some will hate this idea but after seeing the Warriors get eliminated, I wonder if they feel more enticed to making a big move. 2 straight non playoff years during Curry’s prime is pretty tough to deal with

I don’t think the Warriors can afford to waste anymore years of Curry’s Mvp level basketball. I think they’ll be trying to make a big move to go all in next year and they don’t really have all the time in the world to develop Wiseman and whoever they get with the Wolves pick

Wiggins + Minny pick for Siakam? Probably would need some tweaking to get both sides to agree but I’d be open to something like this.

It would allow us to build around the OG/Trent/2 lotto picks timeline instead of the Siakam/Fred timeline

There’s some good convo here on the warriors Reddit page. There’s one post there that opened the discussion surrounding Siakam for Wiggins + pick and most fans seem to be open to it and maybe even include their own pick too
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/niaufz/3_moves_fo_should_make_this_offseason/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I'd do that deal every time. It's not about any sort of Pascal hate, but personally I feel like that is a deal that benefits both sides. Pascal gets to go to a contender and probably get at least one more ring, and we rebuild within a couple of seasons. This year we take two top-10 guys, then next year we'd be young and probably bad enough to pick top 3 and get a superstar at which point you have 2 young stars who an older disgruntled star might want to play with.

[Bruin]

I’m sure some will hate this idea but after seeing the Warriors get eliminated, I wonder if they feel more enticed to making a big move. 2 straight non playoff years during Curry’s prime is pretty tough to deal with

I don’t think the Warriors can afford to waste anymore years of Curry’s Mvp level basketball. I think they’ll be trying to make a big move to go all in next year and they don’t really have all the time in the world to develop Wiseman and whoever they get with the Wolves pick

Wiggins + Minny pick for Siakam? Probably would need some tweaking to get both sides to agree but I’d be open to something like this.

It would allow us to build around the OG/Trent/2 lotto picks timeline instead of the Siakam/Fred timeline

There’s some good convo here on the warriors Reddit page. There’s one post there that opened the discussion surrounding Siakam for Wiggins + pick and most fans seem to be open to it and maybe even include their own pick too
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/niaufz/3_moves_fo_should_make_this_offseason/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I'd do that deal every time. It's not about any sort of Pascal hate, but personally I feel like that is a deal that benefits both sides. Pascal gets to go to a contender and probably get at least one more ring, and we rebuild within a couple of seasons. This year we take two top-10 guys, then next year we'd be young and probably bad enough to pick top 3 and get a superstar at which point you have 2 young stars who an older disgruntled star might want to play with.

Yeah and to me, I look at it like this:

Realistically we aren’t going to be serious congeners with Pascal/Fred so the best we can hope for is 2nd round exits. We’re not gonna be beating the Nets or any of the top East teams with our current core especially with Lowry either gone or back but older

So the focus should be on the timeline of our players between 20-24 (OG, Trent, Malachi, draft picks). By the time these guys reach their primes the Nets reign will be over and likely even the Embiid sixers would be out of the picture too

[flaco]

Celtics fan here. Would you guys consider this trade?



Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Raps need a long-term solution at the C position. Robert Williams fits the bill, especially since you guys run a drop scheme on defense. He's a terrific rim protector thanks to his athleticism/length (7'4''+ wingspan). He's also a very dynamic finisher around the basket, an explosive roller in the PnR and a willing passer. He even got a decent mid-range jump shot.

Smart is an elite defender, a very good passer and a trustworthy ball handler. I would argue he's the 2nd most versatile/switchable guard defender in the NBA behind only Ben Simmons (who ain't exactly a guard to begin with).

[Bruin]

Celtics fan here. Would you guys consider this trade?



Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Raps need a long-term solution at the C position. Robert Williams fits the bill, especially since you guys run a drop scheme on defense. He's a terrific rim protector thanks to his athleticism/length (7'4''+ wingspan). He's also a very dynamic finisher around the basket, an explosive roller in the PnR and a willing passer. He even got a decent mid-range jump shot.

Smart is an elite defender, a very good passer and a trustworthy ball handler. I would argue he's the most versatile/switchable guard defender in the NBA behind only Ben Simmons (who ain't exactly a guard to begin with).

Not a chance. OG is an even more elite defender than Smart and has a rapidly developing offensive game. Given that we just locked him up to a new contract and he’s only 23, he’s pretty much untouchable unless an irresistible offer comes along

[Zan Tabacco]

Celtics fan here. Would you guys consider this trade?



Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Raps need a long-term solution at the C position. Robert Williams fits the bill, especially since you guys run a drop scheme on defense. He's a terrific rim protector thanks to his athleticism/length (7'4''+ wingspan). He's also a very dynamic finisher around the basket, an explosive roller in the PnR and a willing passer. He even got a decent mid-range jump shot.

Smart is an elite defender, a very good passer and a trustworthy ball handler. I would argue he's the 2nd most versatile/switchable guard defender in the NBA behind only Ben Simmons (who ain't exactly a guard to begin with).

This is the inverse of your trade offer from Toronto's perspective.

Vanvleet & Boucher for Brown.

It's not insulting, but it's not happening.

[bluerap23]

OG + Fred for Ingram

Who says no?

[Psubs]

OG + Fred for Ingram

Who says no?

OG's offense is developing. Maybe for Ingram and Lozno.

[Psubs]

Who wanted DeMar back? 5/21 FG performance

hey look, we know that Demar. **** playoff performer.

**** off.

Yeah watching last night gave me bad ptsd flashbacks.

JV on the other hand - oooh la la

I remember JV going 5 for 5 in the 1st half of a playoff game then only getting 2 shots going 1 for 2 in the 2nd half.

[RedVanVleet]

I posted this in another thread so I'm sorry for posting it again here. But IF we draft cade, there is no reason to have both Lowry and FVV. Hard to imagine Cade off the bench and you cannot have $20 million off the bench. So the two options are to attempt to s&t Lowry (otherwise let him walk), or trade FVV for a non guard. Seems like overkill on guards especially with GTJ and Flynn...

What option is best? Assuming there isn't much on the sign and trade front, would you rather resign Kyle and look to trade FVV to maximize overall return? I think this will be an important question if we do indeed get lucky with Cade. It might even become a question if we draft Suggs as well.

For example I think the Bulls could be interested in listening to offers including Pat Williams. Maybe im crazy but if they are disparate to get into playoffs / resign Lavine they might like a FVV Lavine backcourt. I think Williams was rushed into the starting lineup and would benefit from being behind OG and Siakam for at least a season. Lets get the last push with Kyle for a couple more years and eventually when Lowry either moves to the bench or moves on you can go huge by substituting in Williams and have OG at the 2... Imagine the shortest guy being 6'7 haha. Also don't come at me with the P William trade it is not the point of the post it's just an example of a young Forward we can target with a FVV trade.

The next couple years with a group of

Lowry / flynn
Cunningham / gtj
Og / Williams
Siakam
Birch

[flaco]

I posted this in another thread so I'm sorry for posting it again here. But IF we draft cade, there is no reason to have both Lowry and FVV. Hard to imagine Cade off the bench and you cannot have $20 million off the bench. So the two options are to attempt to s&t Lowry (otherwise let him walk), or trade FVV for a non guard. Seems like overkill on guards especially with GTJ and Flynn...

What option is best? Assuming there isn't much on the sign and trade front, would you rather resign Kyle and look to trade FVV to maximize overall return? I think this will be an important question if we do indeed get lucky with Cade. It might even become a question if we draft Suggs as well.

For example I think the Bulls could be interested in listening to offers including Pat Williams. Maybe im crazy but if they are disparate to get into playoffs / resign Lavine they might like a FVV Lavine backcourt. I think Williams was rushed into the starting lineup and would benefit from being behind OG and Siakam for at least a season. Lets get the last push with Kyle for a couple more years and eventually when Lowry either moves to the bench or moves on you can go huge by substituting in Williams and have OG at the 2... Imagine the shortest guy being 6'7 haha. Also don't come at me with the P William trade it is not the point of the post it's just an example of a young Forward we can target with a FVV trade.

The next couple years with a group of

Lowry / flynn
Cunningham / gtj
Og / Williams
Siakam
Birch

Assuming the Raps end up with Cade, would you be open to the idea of trading him for a win-now star? For instance:

Jaylen Brown for Cade + Hood (salary filler)

I mean, the Raps already got a core of battle-hardened players in Lowry, FVV, OG, Siakam, Trent. All these guys but Lowry would share the same time window with Brown. Could you see Ujiri opting for the quick rebuild?

[Kingsway_fan]

I posted this in another thread so I'm sorry for posting it again here. But IF we draft cade, there is no reason to have both Lowry and FVV. Hard to imagine Cade off the bench and you cannot have $20 million off the bench. So the two options are to attempt to s&t Lowry (otherwise let him walk), or trade FVV for a non guard. Seems like overkill on guards especially with GTJ and Flynn...

What option is best? Assuming there isn't much on the sign and trade front, would you rather resign Kyle and look to trade FVV to maximize overall return? I think this will be an important question if we do indeed get lucky with Cade. It might even become a question if we draft Suggs as well.

For example I think the Bulls could be interested in listening to offers including Pat Williams. Maybe im crazy but if they are disparate to get into playoffs / resign Lavine they might like a FVV Lavine backcourt. I think Williams was rushed into the starting lineup and would benefit from being behind OG and Siakam for at least a season. Lets get the last push with Kyle for a couple more years and eventually when Lowry either moves to the bench or moves on you can go huge by substituting in Williams and have OG at the 2... Imagine the shortest guy being 6'7 haha. Also don't come at me with the P William trade it is not the point of the post it's just an example of a young Forward we can target with a FVV trade.

The next couple years with a group of

Lowry / flynn
Cunningham / gtj
Og / Williams
Siakam
Birch

Assuming the Raps end up with Cade, would you be open to the idea of trading him for a win-now star? For instance:

Jaylen Brown for Cade + Hood (salary filler)

I mean, the Raps already got a core of battle-hardened players in Lowry, FVV, OG, Siakam, Trent. All these guys but Lowry would share the same time window with Brown. Could you see Ujiri opting for the quick rebuild?

Lowry is history.. people need to move on....

[Bruin]

I posted this in another thread so I'm sorry for posting it again here. But IF we draft cade, there is no reason to have both Lowry and FVV. Hard to imagine Cade off the bench and you cannot have $20 million off the bench. So the two options are to attempt to s&t Lowry (otherwise let him walk), or trade FVV for a non guard. Seems like overkill on guards especially with GTJ and Flynn...

What option is best? Assuming there isn't much on the sign and trade front, would you rather resign Kyle and look to trade FVV to maximize overall return? I think this will be an important question if we do indeed get lucky with Cade. It might even become a question if we draft Suggs as well.

For example I think the Bulls could be interested in listening to offers including Pat Williams. Maybe im crazy but if they are disparate to get into playoffs / resign Lavine they might like a FVV Lavine backcourt. I think Williams was rushed into the starting lineup and would benefit from being behind OG and Siakam for at least a season. Lets get the last push with Kyle for a couple more years and eventually when Lowry either moves to the bench or moves on you can go huge by substituting in Williams and have OG at the 2... Imagine the shortest guy being 6'7 haha. Also don't come at me with the P William trade it is not the point of the post it's just an example of a young Forward we can target with a FVV trade.

The next couple years with a group of

Lowry / flynn
Cunningham / gtj
Og / Williams
Siakam
Birch

Assuming the Raps end up with Cade, would you be open to the idea of trading him for a win-now star? For instance:

Jaylen Brown for Cade + Hood (salary filler)

I mean, the Raps already got a core of battle-hardened players in Lowry, FVV, OG, Siakam, Trent. All these guys but Lowry would share the same time window with Brown. Could you see Ujiri opting for the quick rebuild?

Again no. Love Jaylen but he’s not worth the 1st overall pick. Getting Cade on a rookie contract while having him basically secured for 7 years is far greater value. If we got the 4th pick I’d consider it but then we’d have to match salaries so even that wouldn’t work anyways

[MessiahUjiri]

This is a variation of a Warriors - Raptors proposal I made on the trade board a few months ago, which spurred really good discussion. Here’s the deal:

Pascal Siakam, 7th pick, Chris Boucher
for
Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, 4th/5th pick, 14th pick


Why for GSW: Curry is still a scoring machine, and they would really thrive with an athletic scoring forward like Siakam. They’d spread the floor with Curry, Klay, and Oubre, and with Draymond's passing, Siakam would create mismatches down low. Boucher provides 3&D PF/C in the mold of a skinny Myles Turner, and the 7th pick provides an opportunity to draft a good young player.

Lineup:
Curry / Klay / Oubre / Siakam / Green
7th pick / Poole / Paschall / Boucher
+ add free agent backup PG at vet min.



Why for Raptors: They go for the long term upside. Siakam is an All Star level talent, but he’s clearly more suited to being a Robin than a Batman. Raptors will come out of this draft with 5 young players: Wiseman, Suggs/Kuminga/Green, 14th pick, 2 2nd rounders.

Lineup:
Fred VV / Trent Jr / Wiggins / Anunoby / Wiseman
Malachi F / (Suggs / Green / Kuminga) / 14th pick / Birch
+ MLE free agent (~$10M)
+ 2 second rounders in the draft


Warriors get to compete next year, Raptors get to build a young contender 2-3 years down the line.

[Spida888]

This is a variation of a Warriors - Raptors proposal I made on the trade board a few months ago, which spurred really good discussion. Here’s the deal:

Pascal Siakam, 7th pick, Chris Boucher
for
Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, 4th/5th pick, 14th pick


Why for GSW: Curry is still a scoring machine, and they would really thrive with an athletic scoring forward like Siakam. They’d spread the floor with Curry, Klay, and Oubre, and with Draymond's passing, Siakam would create mismatches down low. Boucher provides 3&D PF/C in the mold of a skinny Myles Turner, and the 7th pick provides an opportunity to draft a good young player.

Lineup:
Curry / Klay / Oubre / Siakam / Green
7th pick / Poole / Paschall / Boucher
+ add free agent backup PG at vet min.



Why for Raptors: They go for the long term upside. Siakam is an All Star level talent, but he’s clearly more suited to being a Robin than a Batman. Raptors will come out of this draft with 5 young players: Wiseman, Suggs/Kuminga/Green, 14th pick, 2 2nd rounders.

Lineup:
Fred VV / Trent Jr / Wiggins / Anunoby / Wiseman
Malachi F / (Suggs / Green / Kuminga) / 14th pick / Birch
+ MLE free agent (~$10M)
+ 2 second rounders in the draft


Warriors get to compete next year, Raptors get to build a young contender 2-3 years down the line.

I like the general framework of this, but I would rather keep the 7th pick and GSW can remove Wiseman/14th pick if they like.

I agree Pascal would thrive in GSW with 2 great shooters keeping the paint fairly open for him to operate.

Pascal alone should be worth more than the 4th/5th pick in my opinion because GSW wants to win now and rookies despite how much upside they have won't contribute to that right away. GSW is probably more concerned about this after seeing a #2 pick in Wiseman still having a long way to go.

[CoinTossRoss31]

I think everyone on here is under rating Pascal just a little bit. But I agree that he should be going to GSW while Curry is still elite.


I think its Pascal for Wiggins + 6 ( if they don't move in draft) + pick #14 at minimum.


Then you go with an OG/Fred/ Trent + 2 lottery picks in this draft core