CobyWhite0 wrote:GoBlue72391 wrote:CobyWhite0 wrote:Lauri doesn't have a post game. Period.
Cutting to the lane and being able to catch and shoot over a guy 6 inches shorter than you isn't a post game. Not even close. Lauri DID improve at catching and making shots over shorter players from the lane, no doubt about it. But that isn't a post game.
A post game involves playing with your back to basket and being able to score against your defender, or drawing a double team and making the proper pass out of the post.
Lauri isn't even very good at catching the ball with the 6-inches-shorter-than-him defender on his back and backing the guy down. When he tries to back down, lots of times the shorter, quicker defender knocks the ball away from behind.
There's a reason Lauri rarely tried to back a player down - he's not good at it, and teams never bothered to send a double-team to help the shorter defender because, why bother?
Vuc. LeBron. Joker. Embiid. MJ. THOSE guys have (MJ had) post games. Lauri doesn't.
Oh, ok. Thanks for the info. I guess Basketball Reference, NBA.com, my own eyes, and video evidence are wrong but you're right.
Basketball Reference lists Lauri as 14 of 15 on hook shots this year while NBA.com says he shot 14 of 21 on post ups and this video must be a deep fake:
https://youtu.be/5NOUTrRTenUNone of those meet your own personal, convoluted definition of "post game" though so they don't count. By your definition, only like 5 players in the whole league have a post game.
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LOL, 21 post-up shots all season? In 51 games?
Yeah, he's obviously got some major post game.
Oh, is a sample size of 21 shots too small for you? Fair enough, but let's look back at a comment you made two days ago:
CobyWhite0 wrote:On shots within 3 feet of the basket (basically layups and dunks), Lauri wasn't even good - he was only 12th on the Bulls in FG% from 0-3 feet.
With Lauri having the 12th best FG% from 0-3 feet on the team, here are some notable players who are ahead of him and their number of makes and attempts from 0-3 feet this season:
Lauri Markkanen: 84 of 125Adam Mokoka: 6 of 8
Cristiano Felicio: 7 of 9
Devon Dotson: 8 of 9
Troy Brown: 20 of 25
Otto Porter: 24 of 31
So in a discussion about Lauri and his post up ability, 21 shots is too small of a sample size? Is that correct? Then why, in a discussion about the same player and his finishing ability compared to other players on his team, why are sample sizes of 8, 9, 9, 25, and 31 shots apparently valid?
Huh. It's almost like, and I may be reaching here, you have an obvious agenda that you're really bad at hiding? Maybe it's just me, but comparing a player who shot 125 attempts from 0-3 feet to five players who shot a whopping 82 shots from 0-3 feet
combined doesn't seem very fair to me.
And how many TOs did he commit getting all those post-up shots? How many assists did he get out of the post? Are you familiar with the term "cherry-picking"?
And how many disingenuous, biased, agenda driven takes have you subjected the board to? How many times did you try to pass them off as objective? Are you familiar with the term "misleading?" This is hardly the first time I've called you out for making these disingenuous, cherry picked, biased takes. You do it consistently and refuse to stop when called out on it by multiple posters repeatedly. Why should anyone take your posts seriously when you make it clear that the bulk of your posts are agenda driven?
I do thank you for the numbers you did provide, I keep reading about how Lauri was so effective in the post this season. Now I understand completely. Talk about a tiny sample size.
You're welcome. And I would like to thank you for providing the numbers that prove Lauri (84-125) is a worse finisher than Mokoka (6-8), Felicio (7-9), Dotson (8-9), Brown (20-25), and Porter (24-31). Talk about a tiny sample size.
I do love the "not a deep fake" video that shows ONE hook shot LOL.
I was told "Lauri doesn't have a post game. Period." How did he make that hook shot in that video? Did he stumble into the post, took a fortunate turn, and made a lucky shot before he even realized what he was doing?
You didn't provide a link, but how many post ups did everyone else on the team have?
I mean, you also didn't provide a link when you claimed Lauri was the 12th best finisher on the team, but Neonblazer posted the link to the team's post up percentages.
Calling 21 shots in 51 games "having a post-up game" is the exact same thing as saying that Mr. Patrick Williams was a better 3pt shooter than Lauri when both were rookies because he shot 39.1% while Lauri only shot 36.2%. It's kind of important to point out that Mr. Patrick Williams only attempted 1.9 3's per game while Lauri averaged 5.9 att/game.
Fair enough. So why didn't you bother to mention that Mokoka, Felicio, Dotson, Brown, and Porter
combined had 43 less shot attempts from 0-3 feet than Lauri did? Seems a bit hypocritical to call me out for using a small sample size when you did the same, no? At least I was clear that the sample size was small, unlike you who didn't list the sample size at all and just said "Ope, Lauri has the 12th best FG% from 0-3 feet on the team so he's not a good finisher."
So Lauri has a post game, and Mr. Patrick Williams was a much better 3pt shooter this season than Lauri was as a rookie.
Agreed. And Mokoka, Felicio, Dotson, Brown, and Porter are all better finishers than Lauri too.
This thread is indeed priceless
Forget those guys, let's move on.
