Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II)

[DCasey91]

You left out Simmons.

Simmons has dependency issues at times he generates a crap ton of threes with space and shooters but once the space closes in on him he isn’t as effective (handle, lateral, touch, scoring etc.)

Can you back that up with anything other than your opinion?

Have you seen him play with a team where if the "space closes in on him" they have 3pt shooters to punish the defense? Edit: Yes you have, and they won the East.

Maybe watch the games? I said before he generates a ton of the most the potent dividend (3) in the game. When space closes in especially in the halfcourt he can’t manipulate it as well other guards can. His assist total has been dropping because of a transition to a more natural PF role. That’s clear to see. Hence dependency for great 3p% shooters. Dude can’t function with Maxey/Fultz
or a non shooter who isn’t a floor running big (Holmes). This has been an ongoing issue since his rookie season. Have you seen a Simmons/Howard/Thybulle lineup? It’s magnificent on Defense but it’s GSW or worse on offense it’s a nightmare.

No surprise that Redick had a career year for us, both Embiid/Simmons compliments a gun shooter that moves heck even a spot up in Curry’s brother Seth so well. Imagine Curry/Klay with Ben and Embiid my god open season basically.

And saying it’s Simmons only is disingenuous. It’s Embiid that’s the huge kicker here. Simmons without Embiid is lotto or borderline .500. Embiid + good players is 60% wr historically great. Heck rookie Embiid went 13-18 with an awful cast.

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Simmons has dependency issues at times he generates a crap ton of threes with space and shooters but once the space closes in on him he isn’t as effective (handle, lateral, touch, scoring etc.)

Can you back that up with anything other than your opinion?

Have you seen him play with a team where if the "space closes in on him" they have 3pt shooters to punish the defense? Edit: Yes you have, and they won the East.

Maybe watch the games? I said before he generates a ton of the most the potent dividend (3) in the game. When space closes in especially in the halfcourt he can’t manipulate it as well other guards can. His assist total has been dropping because of a transition to a more natural PF role. That’s clear to see. Hence dependency for great 3p% shooters. Dude can’t function with Maxey/Fultz
or a non shooter who isn’t a floor running big (Holmes). This has been an ongoing issue since his rookie season. Have you seen a Simmons/Howard/Thybulle lineup? It’s magnificent on Defense but it’s GSW or worse on offense it’s a nightmare.

No surprise that Redick had a career year for us, both Embiid/Simmons compliments a gun shooter that moves heck even a spot up in Curry’s brother Seth so well. Imagine Curry/Klay with Ben and Embiid my god open season basically.

And saying it’s Simmons only is disingenuous. It’s Embiid that’s the huge kicker here. Simmons without Embiid is lotto or borderline .500. Embiid + good players is 60% wr historically great. Heck rookie Embiid went 13-18 with an awful cast.

You are so clueless its painful to argue with you. He has been put in situations he can't succeeed in the past and performed poorly, any player would do the same.

You have wild opinions based on no merit or stats or analytics or even cognitive thought.

[DCasey91]

Can you back that up with anything other than your opinion?

Have you seen him play with a team where if the "space closes in on him" they have 3pt shooters to punish the defense? Edit: Yes you have, and they won the East.

Maybe watch the games? I said before he generates a ton of the most the potent dividend (3) in the game. When space closes in especially in the halfcourt he can’t manipulate it as well other guards can. His assist total has been dropping because of a transition to a more natural PF role. That’s clear to see. Hence dependency for great 3p% shooters. Dude can’t function with Maxey/Fultz
or a non shooter who isn’t a floor running big (Holmes). This has been an ongoing issue since his rookie season. Have you seen a Simmons/Howard/Thybulle lineup? It’s magnificent on Defense but it’s GSW or worse on offense it’s a nightmare.

No surprise that Redick had a career year for us, both Embiid/Simmons compliments a gun shooter that moves heck even a spot up in Curry’s brother Seth so well. Imagine Curry/Klay with Ben and Embiid my god open season basically.

And saying it’s Simmons only is disingenuous. It’s Embiid that’s the huge kicker here. Simmons without Embiid is lotto or borderline .500. Embiid + good players is 60% wr historically great. Heck rookie Embiid went 13-18 with an awful cast.

You are so clueless its painful to argue with you. He has been put in situations he can't succeeed in the past and performed poorly, any player would do the same.

You have wild opinions based on no merit or stats or analytics or even cognitive thought.

Damn ur a 76ers fan too on the home board. I’m not the one sprouting nonsense. Surely there’s a mirror nearby might want to check it. Good day

[NO-KG-AI]

all 13 turnovers, you can't even say 10+ of those aren't his fault

https://streamable.com/0ulz70

#1- Single coverage, throws it away when the help comes.

#2- Eh, give him a pass there

#3- Trapped, breaks past one guy and is taking the single defender to the rim, throws it directly to Morant

#4- Splits a trap, pulls up, defender trailing attempts to block his shot, Steph attempts to pass out of midair and throws it directly to Morant

#5- 1 on 1, Kyle Anderson strips the ball off of Curry.

#6- 1 vs 1 with Caruso, Caruso knocks the ball off Curry.

#7 Curry gets AD on a switch, attempts to drive past him before his man can come back to the play, is stifled by Davis, loses the ball trying to go between his legs, and is called for a back court

#8 Warriors force a steal, Steph makes a play and comes up with the loose ball, Caruso pops it loose before Curry even comes down with it. No fault for him there really, pass for that one.

#9 Has Kuzma isolated in the corner, and works his way back towards KCP in the zone, when they trap, he picks up his dribble and makes and awful pass into the two Lakers, and they just take it from him.

#10 He is aggressively doubled, and splits through the trap, causing LeBron to help off his man. Curry misses his wide open teammate with a free roll to the basket. I can't tell if LeBron tipped it and made it go high and behind his teammate, or if it was an errant pass. Going to assume LeBron got a piece of it, because it was way off.

#11 Steph calls for a pick, and the Grizzlies double on the pick and roll, Steph throws a cross court pass to Draymond, high over his head and to the outside shoulder, which he misses and Allen scoops it up.

#12 Steph comes around a screen and attempts to throw the ball to his teammate who is still screening for him, and it just drops into empty space. This probably looks worse than it is because the teammate is probably usually there to catch that in practice, but still a poor read.

#13 Offensive foul on a light contact, Morant flop. Whatever, I wouldn't call that.


So yea, if you read through the game thread, all you see is people complaining that Steph is triple teamed the entire game, and all of his passes are just being dropped by stone handed teammates, etc. It's just not true. It's like people see the exact opposite of what really happens.

[art_tatum]

No excuse for losing against the grizz.
Understandable with the Lakers but those terrible turnovers by everyone on the team. That's a failure on kerr and the players including curry

[Homer38]

.500 when LeBron played.

Still not good enough to make the playoffs. Warriors record with Steph was way better.

20-14 is not .500...This is the record the lakers had when LBJ was healthy.LBJ had made the finals with the 29th defense just the year before and who would have lost over 55 games without LBJ.

I don't know why you judge a player who was not close to be 100% for the second half of the season.Maybe if LBJ would be a Nets, you would have a different opinion like Kyrie in 2017 vs when you start to believe he could sign with the Nets (sorry but when you said the most overrated player, that means a lot)

I don't know why you are lying about the Lakers record. They were 28-27 when he played. Stop making **** up.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=lakers+record+with+lebron+in+2018-19

Made the "Finals" by beating the Celtics without Kyrie/Hayward, Oladipo's Pacers, and the choke brothers in Toronto. Congrats.

Again your obsession with my Kyrie quote from 2017 holds no bearing. Many in the media had him as a top 5 player, MVP level and better than Steph. The thread you quoted specifically said he was better than Steph.

All I've ever said is Kyrie is a top 10 player. He was overrated back then. Underrated right now. Try to keep up.

Kyrie is only underrated by you because he's a Nets.You would never have a comment like "Easy to look like a God when youre playing with the best player in the world."if he would have been a Nets or close to that at this time

In 2018, the cavs won 3 series against 3 teams better than them .... who cares that the celtics had not Hayward and Kyrie since they made 3 ECF in 4 years between 2017 to 2020 even if his 2 players were a not factor in the playoffs in his 3 years

And for 2019, momentum and rhythm are two things that you underestimate way too much, especially when it's the year 1 together. I think it could be a problem for the lakers in this year playoffs too

[TinmanZBoy]

Semi Semi... Stephen is amazing for 99% of time, just could not get a shot up in tight crucial games... and turn the ball over in those situations too

[thebigbird]

Silver Spoon just got beat by a 21 year old who plays the same position as him, mere days after the game winner got splashed in his eyes. Perfect ending to the season.

[Statlanta]

People really don’t talk about his ISO game enough the thing that makes superstars superstars and the most entertaining/defining part about them. It’s regressed in favor of his off ball game. He’s still a turnover machine just like the pre-Kerr days.

[sikma42]

People really don’t talk about his ISO game enough the thing that makes superstars superstars and the most entertaining/defining part about them. It’s regressed in favor of his off ball game. He’s still a turnover machine just like the pre-Kerr days.

I don't think its regressed. It's always been like this, he just to pick and choose his spots before because of the firepower around him.

[DidUSaySometing]

All I've ever said is Kyrie is a top 10 player.

Kyrie isn't better than Harden, LeBron, KD, Kawhi, Giannis, Curry, Davis, Embiid, Jokic, Doncic, Lillard, Beal, Butler, Simmons, etc.

[Johnny Tomala]

All I've ever said is Kyrie is a top 10 player.

Kyrie isn't better than Harden, LeBron, KD, Kawhi, Giannis, Curry, Davis, Embiid, Jokic, Doncic, Lillard, Beal, Butler, Simmons, etc.

I'd take IRving over Beal and Simmons. Irving is Top 15 player.

[LastNameEver]

Hes an excellent showman, probably up their with MJ in showmanship but he doesn’t have GOAT impact

[Johnny Tomala]

It was very good season by Curry. The gimmick play-in doesn't change the fact that he carried Warriors to 8th seed. I learned nothing new in game vs Grizzlies - he isn't floor general and tends to make a lot of turnovers. As a PG - CP3 over Curry every day of the week. Curry is best shooter of all time, but as a PG he isn't great. His assists rate is meh and he doesn't make other players better as CP3. Still very good season by Curry, will be 1st team All NBA guard.

[dcstanley]

.500 when LeBron played.

Still not good enough to make the playoffs. Warriors record with Steph was way better.

20-14 is not .500...This is the record the lakers had when LBJ was healthy.LBJ had made the finals with the 29th defense just the year before and who would have lost over 55 games without LBJ.

I don't know why you judge a player who was not close to be 100% for the second half of the season.Maybe if LBJ would be a Nets, you would have a different opinion like Kyrie in 2017 vs when you start to believe he could sign with the Nets (sorry but when you said the most overrated player, that means a lot)

I don't know why you are lying about the Lakers record. They were 28-27 when he played. Stop making **** up.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=lakers+record+with+lebron+in+2018-19

Made the "Finals" by beating the Celtics without Kyrie/Hayward, Oladipo's Pacers, and the choke brothers in Toronto. Congrats.

Again your obsession with my Kyrie quote from 2017 holds no bearing. Many in the media had him as a top 5 player, MVP level and better than Steph. The thread you quoted specifically said he was better than Steph.

All I've ever said is Kyrie is a top 10 player. He was overrated back then. Underrated right now. Try to keep up.

The Lakers were devastated by the injury bug that season and Lebron was the not same after his groin injury.

Read on Twitter

If their three best players could have played more than 23 games together, they would have made the playoffs.

[Hello Brooklyn]

20-14 is not .500...This is the record the lakers had when LBJ was healthy.LBJ had made the finals with the 29th defense just the year before and who would have lost over 55 games without LBJ.

I don't know why you judge a player who was not close to be 100% for the second half of the season.Maybe if LBJ would be a Nets, you would have a different opinion like Kyrie in 2017 vs when you start to believe he could sign with the Nets (sorry but when you said the most overrated player, that means a lot)

I don't know why you are lying about the Lakers record. They were 28-27 when he played. Stop making **** up.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=lakers+record+with+lebron+in+2018-19

Made the "Finals" by beating the Celtics without Kyrie/Hayward, Oladipo's Pacers, and the choke brothers in Toronto. Congrats.

Again your obsession with my Kyrie quote from 2017 holds no bearing. Many in the media had him as a top 5 player, MVP level and better than Steph. The thread you quoted specifically said he was better than Steph.

All I've ever said is Kyrie is a top 10 player. He was overrated back then. Underrated right now. Try to keep up.

Kyrie is only underrated by you because he's a Nets.You would never have a comment like "Easy to look like a God when youre playing with the best player in the world."if he would have been a Nets or close to that at this time

In 2018, the cavs won 3 series against 3 teams better than them .... who cares that the celtics had not Hayward and Kyrie since they made 3 ECF in 4 years between 2017 to 2020 even if his 2 players were a not factor in the playoffs in his 3 years

And for 2019, momentum and rhythm are two things that you underestimate way too much, especially when it's the year 1 together. I think it could be a problem for the lakers in this year playoffs too

You're again lying. I had Kyrie as a top 10 player in 2019, way before he planned on signing with the Nets. Or was even rumored to.

You only quote the posts that fit the narrative. You have no real interesting in looking to see what I said.

LeBron
Steph
Durant
Harden
Giannis
Kawhi

I would probably put Kyrie here.

Embiid
Anthony Davis
Paul George

I'm not sure how you can put Kyrie outside of the top 10. Hes an elite player on a good team that has played like a Superstar in the NBA Finals.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1795909&hilit=kyrie+top+10&start=80

But yeah lets keep looking at that one quote and avoid all other context You're low key obsessed with this.

The Celtics were not good that year without their two best players. Sorry. A bad team.

None of these Celtics ECF teams were ever good tbh. Weak East. Means nothing.

Also funny how you didn't even address the fact that you lied about LeBrons record on the Lakers to make him look better.

[Hello Brooklyn]

20-14 is not .500...This is the record the lakers had when LBJ was healthy.LBJ had made the finals with the 29th defense just the year before and who would have lost over 55 games without LBJ.

I don't know why you judge a player who was not close to be 100% for the second half of the season.Maybe if LBJ would be a Nets, you would have a different opinion like Kyrie in 2017 vs when you start to believe he could sign with the Nets (sorry but when you said the most overrated player, that means a lot)

I don't know why you are lying about the Lakers record. They were 28-27 when he played. Stop making **** up.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=lakers+record+with+lebron+in+2018-19

Made the "Finals" by beating the Celtics without Kyrie/Hayward, Oladipo's Pacers, and the choke brothers in Toronto. Congrats.

Again your obsession with my Kyrie quote from 2017 holds no bearing. Many in the media had him as a top 5 player, MVP level and better than Steph. The thread you quoted specifically said he was better than Steph.

All I've ever said is Kyrie is a top 10 player. He was overrated back then. Underrated right now. Try to keep up.

The Lakers were devastated by the injury bug that season and Lebron was the not same after his groin injury.

Read on Twitter

If their three best players could have played more than 23 games together, they would have made the playoffs.

Ok?

And so were the Warriors.

No Klay Oube and Wiseman both out for the season.

[Danny1616]

20-14 is not .500...This is the record the lakers had when LBJ was healthy.LBJ had made the finals with the 29th defense just the year before and who would have lost over 55 games without LBJ.

I don't know why you judge a player who was not close to be 100% for the second half of the season.Maybe if LBJ would be a Nets, you would have a different opinion like Kyrie in 2017 vs when you start to believe he could sign with the Nets (sorry but when you said the most overrated player, that means a lot)

I don't know why you are lying about the Lakers record. They were 28-27 when he played. Stop making **** up.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=lakers+record+with+lebron+in+2018-19

Made the "Finals" by beating the Celtics without Kyrie/Hayward, Oladipo's Pacers, and the choke brothers in Toronto. Congrats.

Again your obsession with my Kyrie quote from 2017 holds no bearing. Many in the media had him as a top 5 player, MVP level and better than Steph. The thread you quoted specifically said he was better than Steph.

All I've ever said is Kyrie is a top 10 player. He was overrated back then. Underrated right now. Try to keep up.

The Lakers were devastated by the injury bug that season and Lebron was the not same after his groin injury.

Read on Twitter

If their three best players could have played more than 23 games together, they would have made the playoffs.

Lakers were 28-27 with lebron that year.

Warriors are 37-26 with Curry this year.

[thebigbird]

Pat themselves on the back for missing the playoffs Silver Spoon let a 21 year old come into his arena and end his season.

Read on Twitter

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[LikeABosh]

I don't know why you are lying about the Lakers record. They were 28-27 when he played. Stop making **** up.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=lakers+record+with+lebron+in+2018-19

Made the "Finals" by beating the Celtics without Kyrie/Hayward, Oladipo's Pacers, and the choke brothers in Toronto. Congrats.

Again your obsession with my Kyrie quote from 2017 holds no bearing. Many in the media had him as a top 5 player, MVP level and better than Steph. The thread you quoted specifically said he was better than Steph.

All I've ever said is Kyrie is a top 10 player. He was overrated back then. Underrated right now. Try to keep up.

The Lakers were devastated by the injury bug that season and Lebron was the not same after his groin injury.

Read on Twitter

If their three best players could have played more than 23 games together, they would have made the playoffs.

Lakers were 28-27 with lebron that year.

Warriors are 37-26 with Curry this year.

I don't remember Curry having to come back from an injury after missing 1/3 of the season. This board really struggles with comparisons