Lauri Markkanen Discussion Thread: PT 2

[waffle]

Lauri is 7' tall. You'd never know it. Part of his attraction is his height and the potential it provides. But....

He is soft. He's hardly alone in that but he is.

He is a decent shooter. He is a decent handler. He is an o.k. rebounder. He is an o.k. defender. He's an o.k. passer. Am I missing anything? He's got great hair?

IF Lauri really focused on improving his game I think he could be a near all-star player, but his development seems STUCK. And at some point you need to wonder about hunger and motivation.

The bulls just don't need a 7' outside shooter who provides no other capability that just shouts "elite". Lots of guys can shoot...

[sco]

Lauri is 7' tall. You'd never know it. Part of his attraction is his height and the potential it provides. But....

He is soft. He's hardly alone in that but he is.

He is a decent shooter. He is a decent handler. He is an o.k. rebounder. He is an o.k. defender. He's an o.k. passer. Am I missing anything? He's got great hair?

IF Lauri really focused on improving his game I think he could be a near all-star player, but his development seems STUCK. And at some point you need to wonder about hunger and motivation.

The bulls just don't need a 7' outside shooter who provides no other capability that just shouts "elite". Lots of guys can shoot...

Given all of the luck the Wiz are having with our cast-offs, maybe they see another diamond in the rough? Not sure what they have left asset-wise on a S&T though.

[Neonblazer]

Who would have guessed that Garrett Temple was our 2nd best post defender?

He finished in the 85th percentile.

Apparently, we've found our new backup PF to play defense next to Vuc.

Theis finished in the 100th percentile. So apparently he was the best post defender in the NBA, we're gold there with him starting at PF.

No wonder Lauri couldn't get minutes after the trade

I was wondering what this has to do with Lauri but you forgot to say that Lauri was the 3rd best post defender in our team. And Vuc is horrible defender at post, even worse than WCJ.

And who didn't know Garret Temple is good defender? Isn't that literally the reason he is on the team?

I need to start using the green font far more often.

are you really trying to be sarcastic about cherry picking after you yourself asked for the post up stats compared to other team mates. And you were the one who picked out the percentile stat out of all the stats in the nba site?

[Louri]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/bulls/2021/5/22/22446142/bulls-lauri-markkanen-need-to-move-forward?__twitter_impression=true

”So where might Markkanen end up? The one place he privately wants to land is with the Mavericks, joining guard Luka Doncic and big man Kristaps Porzingis.”

[sco]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/bulls/2021/5/22/22446142/bulls-lauri-markkanen-need-to-move-forward?__twitter_impression=true

”So where might Markkanen end up? The one place he privately wants to land is with the Mavericks, joining guard Luka Doncic and big man Kristaps Porzingis.”

Dallas would be good, in that he wouldn't be any help to them at all.

[CobyWhite0]

I was wondering what this has to do with Lauri but you forgot to say that Lauri was the 3rd best post defender in our team. And Vuc is horrible defender at post, even worse than WCJ.

And who didn't know Garret Temple is good defender? Isn't that literally the reason he is on the team?

I need to start using the green font far more often.

are you really trying to be sarcastic about cherry picking after you yourself asked for the post up stats compared to other team mates. And you were the one who picked out the percentile stat out of all the stats in the nba site?

I'll give it one shot:

It's comical that some people keep trying to say that Lauri now has some great post game based on zero point six post ups per game.

It's comical that some people keep trying to say that Lauri somehow didn't get more post ups because of how the guards handle the ball out front, when Vuc got all kinds of post ups.

It's comical to suggest that Theis is the best post defender in the NBA - but using the "Lauri has a great post up game, he's in the 95th percentile" "logic", Theis IS the best post defender in the NBA.

A 7-footer who shot 40% on 3's while being one of the best post-up players AND one of the best post-up defenders - if the latter 2 of those 3 statements were actually true, that guy would be looking at a max contract this summer. Several teams have cap space, and the free agent class is said to be pretty weak - a guy who is actually that good would probably have multiple teams throwing the max at him.

But I haven't seen even the biggest of Lauri stans suggest he's going to get a max deal.

I don't think I can make my point any clearer, I do know that I'm done trying.

[the ultimates]

What would he bring to Dallas? They aren't hurting for three-point shooting. He isn't taking away shots or touches from Doncic or Porzingis if Kristaps is healthy. Dallas by the way is a considerably worse passing team than the Bulls.

So his role in Dallas would be similar to the role he had hear. He'd be at best a third option and third options don't get a ton of shots, touches or offense run through them.

[Neonblazer]

I need to start using the green font far more often.

It's comical to suggest that Theis is the best post defender in the NBA - but using the "Lauri has a great post up game, he's in the 95th percentile" "logic", Theis IS the best post defender in the NBA.

So here is the thing. YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE SAYING THIS. No one else. People were pointing out the stats not one single stat point that compares other players. Percentile really isn't a good stat and that's why no one other than you brought it out.

[CobyWhite0]

It's comical to suggest that Theis is the best post defender in the NBA - but using the "Lauri has a great post up game, he's in the 95th percentile" "logic", Theis IS the best post defender in the NBA.

So here is the thing. YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE SAYING THIS. No one else. People were pointing out the stats not one single stat point that compares other players. Percentile really isn't a good stat and that's why no one other than you brought it out.

They you haven't been following the thread very closely.

The bolded is true.

The underlined is totally false. I've been trying for weeks to figure out where "Lauri is a 95th percentile post player" came from, because some Lauri stan is the one who keeps mentioning it.

I'm pretty sure more than one have referenced it.

[CobyWhite0]

So here is the thing. YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE SAYING THIS. No one else. People were pointing out the stats not one single stat point that compares other players. Percentile really isn't a good stat and that's why no one other than you brought it out.

They you haven't been following the thread very closely.

The bolded is true.

The underlined is totally false. I've been trying for weeks to figure out where "Lauri is a 95th percentile post player" came from, because some Lauri stan is the one who keeps mentioning it.

I'm pretty sure more than one have referenced it.

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Tue May 11, 2021

FWIW, Lauri has improved to be a 96th percentile post player. He just doesn't get very many opportunities.
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[WindyCityBorn]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/bulls/2021/5/22/22446142/bulls-lauri-markkanen-need-to-move-forward?__twitter_impression=true

”So where might Markkanen end up? The one place he privately wants to land is with the Mavericks, joining guard Luka Doncic and big man Kristaps Porzingis.”

He should be thinking about bad teams with caps space like the Kings or Magic. That is best chance to get overpaid.

[edededtut]

It's comical that some people keep trying to say that Lauri somehow didn't get more post ups because of how the guards handle the ball out front, when Vuc got all kinds of post ups.

So the bulls changed their entire offense to force feed vucevic in the post.

[WindyCityBorn]

I need to start using the green font far more often.

This thread is color blind. Green font is wasted.

True, it's starting to turn into this:

Tim Tebow had the top 5 most sold NFL Shop apparel after signing, because of course

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/05/jaguars-tim-tebow-jerseys-nfl-shop-sale

Per ESPN’s Adam Schefter and others, the top five apparel items for sale at NFL Shop are all Tim Tebow related

At least he was a legendary college player. Not surprising they still love him in Florida.

[WindyCityBorn]

It's comical that some people keep trying to say that Lauri somehow didn't get more post ups because of how the guards handle the ball out front, when Vuc got all kinds of post ups.

So the bulls changed their entire offense to force feed vucevic in the post.

Our offense did not change. Vuc shoots a ton of 3s. He is just way more versatile on offense than Lauri. He also doesn’t need a mismatch to be effective in the post.

[Louri]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/bulls/2021/5/22/22446142/bulls-lauri-markkanen-need-to-move-forward?__twitter_impression=true

”So where might Markkanen end up? The one place he privately wants to land is with the Mavericks, joining guard Luka Doncic and big man Kristaps Porzingis.”

He should be thinking about bad teams with caps space like the Kings or Magic. That is best chance to get overpaid.

He wants to play with friends. He also likes Cubam for sure.

[CobyWhite0]

If anyone is watching Heat/Bucks, Bobby Portis just showed you what a REAL post scorer looks like, at the 10:20 mark of the 2nd quarter. He had a smaller man on him and went to the front of the rim. When he didn't get the ball immediately, he didn't run back out to the 3pt line - he moved to about 15 feet from the basket, caught the ball about 15 feet from the basket, backed his man down to within 5 feet, and scored an easy hook over him.

[the ultimates]

A player who can consistently score in the post and draw double teams posted up and got the ball in Vucevic. Lauri doesn't do that consistently which is what we've seen for four seasons so he doesn't get the ball. Again the Bulls offense isn't rigid and the Bulls aren't some bad passing team like people want to believe to try and make Lauri look better. I have never seen so many excuses made for such a limited player.

[WindyCityBorn]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/bulls/2021/5/22/22446142/bulls-lauri-markkanen-need-to-move-forward?__twitter_impression=true

”So where might Markkanen end up? The one place he privately wants to land is with the Mavericks, joining guard Luka Doncic and big man Kristaps Porzingis.”

He should be thinking about bad teams with caps space like the Kings or Magic. That is best chance to get overpaid.

He wants to play with friends. He also likes Cubam for sure.

He isn’t getting Dallas unless he going take much less than he could get elsewhere. He should be realistic.

[CobyWhite0]

This thread is color blind. Green font is wasted.

True, it's starting to turn into this:

Tim Tebow had the top 5 most sold NFL Shop apparel after signing, because of course

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/05/jaguars-tim-tebow-jerseys-nfl-shop-sale

Per ESPN’s Adam Schefter and others, the top five apparel items for sale at NFL Shop are all Tim Tebow related

At least he was a legendary college player. Not surprising they still love him in Florida.

Obviously true, but at least that's understandable. But Tebow also has lots of fans all over the country who are fans based solely on his religious beliefs.

What I was trying to say is that just like Lauri, many Tebow stans also have a grossly over-exaggerated view of their actual skills at the sport they play. They want their guy to play, it doesn't matter if the team is successful or not.

"Tebow is one of the best running QBs in the league"... the fact that he's a horrible passer in a passing league be damned.

"The year Tebow got 11 starts, he had five 4th Quarter comebacks"... the fact that they were always behind in the 4th because Tebow put up 7 points or less in the first three quarters be damned.

I can understand Fins wanting their guy to put up good numbers, team results be damned. But I can't believe that every Lauri stan here is Finnish.

[edededtut]

Our offense did not change.

If you say so.