WC | Rd. 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [Jazz win 4-1]

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Who wins the series?

Jazz in 4 games
22
11%
Jazz in 5 games
77
37%
Jazz in 6 games
52
25%
Jazz in 7games
8
4%
Grizzlies in 4 games
9
4%
Grizzlies in 5 games
3
1%
Grizzlies in 6 games
14
7%
Grizzlies in 7 games
22
11%
 
Total votes: 207

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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [0-0] 

Post#601 » by SwatLakeCity527 » Mon May 24, 2021 4:40 am

Not really worried yet.

Jazz played well below average and Grizzlies played well above average, and the jazz still almost won.

I expect a double digit beating on wednesday

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Post#602 » by bebopdeluxe » Mon May 24, 2021 4:42 am

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RaptorPride wrote:Yea Gobert is still a star they just didn't have Mitchell. Gobert is not gonna carry an offence but he will lock down the other team. But JV's gravity is letting players attack Gobert and score on him. Mitchell is gonna have to come in and attack JV and get him in foul trouble to open up Goberts defense.


Yada, yada…Gobert’s defense…blah, blah…

Brooks and Morant EVISCERATED the Jazz defense tonight.

If the Jazz don’t make their 3’s they are SOL.


Yeah....oh, and they should also play their All Star who averages 35 points against this team too.


You think the perimeter D they played tonight against Brooks and Morant is good enough to win a chip?
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Post#603 » by Prospect Dong » Mon May 24, 2021 4:43 am

Dacost wrote:Short term this is all about the Jazz they have a vet team and their widow is open right now.

Long term is all about the Grizz the amount of experience this team is getting right now is going to be crucial in a few years especially with JA.


Yeah, this is basically about introducing the team to the bright lights of the playoffs. They'll be back in a year or two with a team that's actually ready to contend, and this way they'll know what to expect right from game 1. I was hoping to avoid a sweep, but I'm happy with five games...
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [0-0] 

Post#604 » by NY 567 » Mon May 24, 2021 4:45 am

The Jazz just don't strike fear in anyone. They don't have a superstar, this nucleus doesn't have a winning history. Because of this, teams are going to play them freely and with confidence
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [0-0] 

Post#605 » by Oscar9992 » Mon May 24, 2021 4:49 am

Crazy upsets in 1'st games of Playoffs:

Suns - Lakers 1:0
Grizzlies - Jazz 1:0
Mavericks - Clippers 1:0
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Post#606 » by Rauxcee » Mon May 24, 2021 4:49 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:
I am talking about the Utah perimeter defense that allowed penetration all night long. Morant is certainly talented, but Brooks isn’t some kind of offensive savant…and he got wherever he wanted to go. People talk all the time about guys like Ingles and O’Neal (or even Conley) as being good defenders, but they certainly weren’t tonight. And guys like Clarkson and Bogdanovich can give up as many points as they score (although full marks to Bogdanovich for making it a game late).

Utah will still likely win this series, but I wonder if this formula of bombs-away offense and a D that relies HEAVILY on Gobert can win a championship. Their perimeter D needs to be WAY better than they were tonight.


This has been the Jazz defensive scheme since Gobert has been a starter. Last year the Jazz traded defense for offense. They have an elite defender in Gobert and an above average defender in Royce. The rest of the team is crap. Just total crap. The fact that The Jazz are top 5 defensively is a credit to just how good Gobert is.

But you are right, if the Jazz can't play acceptable perimeter defense (they don't even have to be great- just average will do), shoot respectable from 3, and not turn the ball over, they aren't coming out the west.
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [0-0] 

Post#607 » by GSP » Mon May 24, 2021 4:50 am

Oscar9992 wrote:Crazy upsets in 1'st games of Playoffs:

Suns - Lakers 1:0
Grizzlies - Jazz 1:0
Mavericks - Clippers 1:0


Suns were actually favored to win game 1
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [0-0] 

Post#608 » by Oscar9992 » Mon May 24, 2021 4:52 am

GSP wrote:
Oscar9992 wrote:Crazy upsets in 1'st games of Playoffs:

Suns - Lakers 1:0
Grizzlies - Jazz 1:0
Mavericks - Clippers 1:0


Suns were actually favored to win game 1


I really hope it continues :lol: :D
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [0-0] 

Post#609 » by BudTugly » Mon May 24, 2021 4:53 am

PrinceAli wrote:The stupid antic Rudy tried to pull by flopping on the bench is a part of why a lot of people don’t like him. He’s just not really easy to support when he does stupid stuff. He’s a great defender but cmon wtf was that


Agree but dude did push him

That being said I thought there were rules abt where inactive players are allowed to go. I guess Rudy wasn’t within the boundaries of the court but imo he didn’t belong where he was at.

Edit to add Mitchell did a similar but more low key move earlier in the game

Can I get clarification? Are players allowed to get off the bench and run amok around the court?
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Post#610 » by blackcosmos » Mon May 24, 2021 4:56 am

babyjax13 wrote:I love that every time Utah loses - regardless of if Rudy has a bad game or not (he really did not this time, and I think two of his last three fouls were bad calls) - people come out in droves to say he is not worth his contract. I think it's a stupid take. He can be a top two player on a championship caliber team, so he is absolutely worth the contract. The question is if Mitchell can be, and I'm not sure he can ... and if you overcome that it is through an excellent supporting cast. We *might* have a good enough one to overcome our shortcomings.



I think he is worth the contract in today's NBA. But JV is just a tough match up for him.
Btw, I don't watch alot of Jazz game, but does Rudy seem to lack core muscle strength ?
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Post#611 » by Catchall » Mon May 24, 2021 4:59 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:
Catchall wrote:
bebopdeluxe wrote:
Yada, yada…Gobert’s defense…blah, blah…

Brooks and Morant EVISCERATED the Jazz defense tonight.

If the Jazz don’t make their 3’s they are SOL.


Yeah....oh, and they should also play their All Star who averages 35 points against this team too.


You think the perimeter D they played tonight against Brooks and Morant is good enough to win a chip?


Ja Morant is a tough cover, but he didn't really get going until Rudy went out with foul trouble. Jazz guards normally press up on the ball handler and force them into Rudy. It worked well in the 1st half. The Jazz also tend to give up mid-range shots, so players who shoot well from mid-range sometimes have big nights on them. They may still give Ja that teardrop, but Rudy may need to step up bit.

The Jazz make a game plan for each team they play and need to make adjustments. Lets see how they scheme for Ja and Brooks going forward. I'm not sure how much actual prep they did for Memphis, since it wasn't known that they'd be the opponent until late Friday night.

Big, mobile guards who can shoot off the dribble do give the Jazz trouble, as you could see with Murray last year, but that's the case for most defenses.

The Jazz actually lost this game because they didn't execute on offense, missed a ton of shots and had a lot of turnovers. They're not going to beat anybody if they shoot that badly.
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [0-0] 

Post#612 » by skones » Mon May 24, 2021 4:59 am

SwatLakeCity527 wrote:Not really worried yet.

Jazz played well below average and Grizzlies played well above average, and the jazz still almost won.

I expect a double digit beating on wednesday

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I don't know. They need Mitchell back. Without him, they're going up against a pretty damn good defense with underwhelming options from a shot creation standpoint. It was pretty evident tonight. I don't think easier looks are coming for Utah until he returns. Until Mitchell returns, I'd expect a dogfight.
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Post#613 » by Bruin » Mon May 24, 2021 5:00 am

BudTugly wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:The stupid antic Rudy tried to pull by flopping on the bench is a part of why a lot of people don’t like him. He’s just not really easy to support when he does stupid stuff. He’s a great defender but cmon wtf was that


Agree but dude did push him

That being said I thought there were rules abt where inactive players are allowed to go. I guess Rudy wasn’t within the boundaries of the court but imo he didn’t belong where he was at.

Edit to add Mitchell did a similar but more low key move earlier in the game

Can I get clarification? Are players allowed to get off the bench and run amok around the court?

Was more of a nudge than a push and a 7 ft 260lbs person shouldn’t be falling to the floor that easily lol
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [0-0] 

Post#614 » by BudTugly » Mon May 24, 2021 5:03 am

PrinceAli wrote:
BudTugly wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:The stupid antic Rudy tried to pull by flopping on the bench is a part of why a lot of people don’t like him. He’s just not really easy to support when he does stupid stuff. He’s a great defender but cmon wtf was that


Agree but dude did push him

That being said I thought there were rules abt where inactive players are allowed to go. I guess Rudy wasn’t within the boundaries of the court but imo he didn’t belong where he was at.

Edit to add Mitchell did a similar but more low key move earlier in the game

Can I get clarification? Are players allowed to get off the bench and run amok around the court?

Was more of a nudge than a push and a 7 ft 260lbs person shouldn’t be falling to the floor that easily lol


You think Rudy is 260? OK buddy

Kinda beside the point, anybody else got a take on my question?
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Post#615 » by Catchall » Mon May 24, 2021 5:03 am

skones wrote:
SwatLakeCity527 wrote:Not really worried yet.

Jazz played well below average and Grizzlies played well above average, and the jazz still almost won.

I expect a double digit beating on wednesday

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I don't know. They need Mitchell back. Without him, they're going up against a pretty damn good defense with underwhelming options from a shot creation standpoint. It was pretty evident tonight. I don't think easier looks are coming for Utah until he returns. Until Mitchell returns, I'd expect a dogfight.


The Jazz do need Mitchell back in a big way. He adds a lot of points and he also draws enough attention from defenses that it makes everyone else's life easier.
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Post#616 » by Catchall » Mon May 24, 2021 5:05 am

BudTugly wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
BudTugly wrote:
Agree but dude did push him

That being said I thought there were rules abt where inactive players are allowed to go. I guess Rudy wasn’t within the boundaries of the court but imo he didn’t belong where he was at.

Edit to add Mitchell did a similar but more low key move earlier in the game

Can I get clarification? Are players allowed to get off the bench and run amok around the court?

Was more of a nudge than a push and a 7 ft 260lbs person shouldn’t be falling to the floor that easily lol


You think Rudy is 260? OK buddy

Kinda beside the point, anybody else got a take on my question?


I don't know what Rudy was doing. I think he was goofing off, trying to make a point about guys drawing fouls against him.

He weighs around 240 lbs.
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Post#617 » by Bruin » Mon May 24, 2021 5:06 am

BudTugly wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
BudTugly wrote:
Agree but dude did push him

That being said I thought there were rules abt where inactive players are allowed to go. I guess Rudy wasn’t within the boundaries of the court but imo he didn’t belong where he was at.

Edit to add Mitchell did a similar but more low key move earlier in the game

Can I get clarification? Are players allowed to get off the bench and run amok around the court?

Was more of a nudge than a push and a 7 ft 260lbs person shouldn’t be falling to the floor that easily lol


You think Rudy is 260? OK buddy

Kinda beside the point, anybody else got a take on my question?

Well yea he’s listed at 258 lol

And as for your question players can’t go on the court but the area he was on I think is technically ok. Not entirely sure tho
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Post#618 » by BudTugly » Mon May 24, 2021 5:10 am

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I don't know what Rudy was doing. I think he was goofing off, trying to make a point about guys drawing fouls against him.

He weighs around 240 lbs.


Oh I think it’s quite clear he was trying to impact the game w/o playing. The guy is correct to say what Rudy did was lame and cheap. It worked though. He got the guy to push him, a foul called for a player not even playing. Unreal.

My question is how is it legal for dudes to come off the bench and roam around the perimeter
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [0-0] 

Post#619 » by babyjax13 » Mon May 24, 2021 5:11 am

blackcosmos wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I love that every time Utah loses - regardless of if Rudy has a bad game or not (he really did not this time, and I think two of his last three fouls were bad calls) - people come out in droves to say he is not worth his contract. I think it's a stupid take. He can be a top two player on a championship caliber team, so he is absolutely worth the contract. The question is if Mitchell can be, and I'm not sure he can ... and if you overcome that it is through an excellent supporting cast. We *might* have a good enough one to overcome our shortcomings.



I think he is worth the contract in today's NBA. But JV is just a tough match up for him.
Btw, I don't watch alot of Jazz game, but does Rudy seem to lack core muscle strength ?


Strong centers can sometimes give him issues, so I'd say the answer is probably yes? Embiid, Val, Jokic, Gasol are probably his worst matchups. For some reason Nurkic doesn't seem to cause the same issues.
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [0-0] 

Post#620 » by eminence » Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 am

BudTugly wrote:
Catchall wrote:
I don't know what Rudy was doing. I think he was goofing off, trying to make a point about guys drawing fouls against him.

He weighs around 240 lbs.


Oh I think it’s quite clear he was trying to impact the game w/o playing. The guy is correct to say what Rudy did was lame and cheap. It worked though. He got the guy to push him, a foul called for a player not even playing. Unreal.

My question is how is it legal for dudes to come off the bench and roam around the perimeter


I don't believe there was a foul called.
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