2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Federalies]

So let’s state the obvious, we’re either keeping Lowry or we’re not. Assuming we take a PG/SG in the draft (Cade, Green, Suggs, Keon, Moody etc), it seems likely we’ll be moving on from the GROAT! If so, our best option becomes a sign and trade.

Assuming Lowry is looking for at least 2 years at $25 mil or so per (perhaps with a team option for a third year), we’d need to find a partner who has the need (see teams who need a veteran PG but who are also at or near the cap I.e. Philly, Lakers, Clippers, and Heat?), mix of contracts and assets (filler, young prospects and or likely end of of the first round draft picks with tons of protections). We’d also need to dodge the gauntlet of decent teams with cap space (New York, others I can’t remember at the moment).

All this to say RealGMers, assuming this happens (big if) what’s the chances we find a dance partner and what do you expect to get back? Thanks in advance for your ideas/suggestions!

[DreamTeam09]

So let’s state the obvious, we’re either keeping Lowry or we’re not. Assuming we take a PG/SG in the draft (Cade, Green, Suggs, Keon, Moody etc), it seems likely we’ll be moving on from the GROAT! If so, our best option becomes a sign and trade.

Assuming Lowry is looking for at least 2 years at $25 mil or so per (perhaps with a team option for a third year), we’d need to find a partner who has the need (see teams who need a veteran PG but who are also at or near the cap I.e. Philly, Lakers, Clippers, and Heat?), mix of contracts and assets (filler, young prospects and or likely end of of the first round draft picks with tons of protections). We’d also need to dodge the gauntlet of decent teams with cap space (New York, others I can’t remember at the moment).

All this to say RealGMers, assuming this happens (big if) what’s the chances we find a dance partner and what do you expect to get back? Thanks in advance for your ideas/suggestions!

If we are going to trade Lowry, I'd like to send him out west so we don't have to hear/see him 4x a year.

Clippers make sense for Zubac + filler
Lakers are an option for THT + filler
Ideally I want Barton + Bol Bol

[Kingsway_fan]

So let’s state the obvious, we’re either keeping Lowry or we’re not. Assuming we take a PG/SG in the draft (Cade, Green, Suggs, Keon, Moody etc), it seems likely we’ll be moving on from the GROAT! If so, our best option becomes a sign and trade.

Assuming Lowry is looking for at least 2 years at $25 mil or so per (perhaps with a team option for a third year), we’d need to find a partner who has the need (see teams who need a veteran PG but who are also at or near the cap I.e. Philly, Lakers, Clippers, and Heat?), mix of contracts and assets (filler, young prospects and or likely end of of the first round draft picks with tons of protections). We’d also need to dodge the gauntlet of decent teams with cap space (New York, others I can’t remember at the moment).

All this to say RealGMers, assuming this happens (big if) what’s the chances we find a dance partner and what do you expect to get back? Thanks in advance for your ideas/suggestions!

If we are going to trade Lowry, I'd like to send him out west so we don't have to hear/see him 4x a year.

Clippers make sense for Zubac + filler
Lakers are an option for THT + filler
Ideally I want Barton + Bol Bol

Rather let him walk than get any of those scrubs back

[MalagaBulls]

Howdi, Bulls fan who has posted here on prior occasions. Would you do this deal?

Trade: Thad, Aminu, TBJ to TOR for Siakam

TOR gets: CHI 1st-round 2025 and 2027 unprotected

TOR gets: Option to swap with CHI 1st-round 2022 and 2024 and 2026 (if no swap, TOR gets our 2nd rounder unprotected)

TOR gets 2 unprotected 1st's and 3 unprotected 2nd's. And a young talent to look at for a year in TBJ. Plus they can probably get a late 1st from a contender for Thad.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

So let’s state the obvious, we’re either keeping Lowry or we’re not. Assuming we take a PG/SG in the draft (Cade, Green, Suggs, Keon, Moody etc), it seems likely we’ll be moving on from the GROAT! If so, our best option becomes a sign and trade.

Assuming Lowry is looking for at least 2 years at $25 mil or so per (perhaps with a team option for a third year), we’d need to find a partner who has the need (see teams who need a veteran PG but who are also at or near the cap I.e. Philly, Lakers, Clippers, and Heat?), mix of contracts and assets (filler, young prospects and or likely end of of the first round draft picks with tons of protections). We’d also need to dodge the gauntlet of decent teams with cap space (New York, others I can’t remember at the moment).

All this to say RealGMers, assuming this happens (big if) what’s the chances we find a dance partner and what do you expect to get back? Thanks in advance for your ideas/suggestions!

If we are going to trade Lowry, I'd like to send him out west so we don't have to hear/see him 4x a year.

Clippers make sense for Zubac + filler
Lakers are an option for THT + filler
Ideally I want Barton + Bol Bol

Rather let him walk than get any of those scrubs back

yes. cuz thats what a good gm will do. not even ask for picks (1st or 2nds) or anything like that. /s

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Howdi, Bulls fan who has posted here on prior occasions. Would you do this deal?

Trade: Thad, Aminu, TBJ to TOR for Siakam

TOR gets: CHI 1st-round 2025 and 2027 unprotected

TOR gets: Option to swap with CHI 1st-round 2022 and 2024 and 2026 (if no swap, TOR gets our 2nd rounder unprotected)

TOR gets 2 unprotected 1st's and 3 unprotected 2nd's. And a young talent to look at for a year in TBJ. Plus they can probably get a late 1st from a contender for Thad.

When we could probably trade Pascal for Wiseman and the Minnesota pick?

Not saying we’d ask for Lavine back but no chance Patrick Williams isn’t even in the trade for Pascal if we’re expected to tank by trading him for pretty much picks

[Federalies]

So I’m not usually a fan of Bleacherreports “This team should trade this player to that team for this player” Clickbait....but I actually kind of like this one and I’d like the Forums thoughts.

First off, this trade hinges on the fact we end up taking one of the PG/SG’s with our pick in this years draft (see
Cade, Green, Suggs, Moody, Keon etc) rather than Mobly. While I like me some Kehm Birch I’m not sold he’s a starting C on a playoff team with aspirations. As such, I present you the “Mo Bamba Option. Just as a refresher, Mo turned 23 recently and dealt with a stress fracture in year one, like Bradley Beal, and played behind Vouch and now Wendell Carter JR. Mo is 7’ and has a wingspan of .........7’10”!!

“ Orlando Magic Receive: G/F Rodney Hood, C Aron Baynes, 2022 first-round pick (lottery-protected), 2021 second-round pick (via Golden State Warriors)

Toronto Raptors Receive: C Mo Bamba, SF Terrence Ross

While Orlando and Toronto both missed the playoffs, only one is rebuilding.

The Magic should still be looking to take on draft picks, while the Raptors could be back in the postseason next year given their talent.

In this deal, Toronto would get a potential franchise center in Bamba, the No. 6 pick in 2018 who's been stuck playing behind Nikola Vucevic and now Wendell Carter Jr. Over his final 18 games, the 23-year-old averaged 11.6 points, 8.3 rebounds and 1.8 blocks in 22.3 minutes.

Ross has long been one of the league's best bench scorers and averaged a career-high 15.6 points per game this season. He'd fill the same role in a return to Toronto, the franchise that drafted him at No. 8 in 2012.

Orlando would land a pair of veterans on expiring deals who can help mentor the young core, or the Magic can choose $18.2 million in cap space given that Hood and Baynes have non-guaranteed salaries for 2021-22. Next year's first-rounder is the key return, but the Magic would also pick up a mid-second-round pick in the upcoming draft.”

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[bballsparkin]

Rather let him walk than get any of those scrubs back

yes. cuz thats what a good gm will do. not even ask for picks (1st or 2nds) or anything like that. /s

Plus in what world is Zubac a scrub. A 24 year old playing well on a team with championship aspirations. Plus he's signed to a good deal: $7.5M the next two years. I have my doubts that LAC would even trade him for a re-signed Lowry.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Rather let him walk than get any of those scrubs back

yes. cuz thats what a good gm will do. not even ask for picks (1st or 2nds) or anything like that. /s

Plus in what world is Zubac a scrub. A 24 year old playing well on a team with championship aspirations. Plus he's signed to a good deal: $7.5M the next two years. I have my doubts that LAC would even trade him for a re-signed Lowry.

If the Clippers lose to the Mavs, they probably will.


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[bballsparkin]

^^Which hopefully they do!

[DreamTeam09]

So I’m not usually a fan of Bleacherreports “This team should trade this player to that team for this player” Clickbait....but I actually kind of like this one and I’d like the Forums thoughts.

First off, this trade hinges on the fact we end up taking one of the PG/SG’s with our pick in this years draft (see
Cade, Green, Suggs, Moody, Keon etc) rather than Mobly. While I like me some Kehm Birch I’m not sold he’s a starting C on a playoff team with aspirations. As such, I present you the “Mo Bamba Option. Just as a refresher, Mo turned 23 recently and dealt with a stress fracture in year one, like Bradley Beal, and played behind Vouch and now Wendell Carter JR. Mo is 7’ and has a wingspan of .........7’10”!!

“ Orlando Magic Receive: G/F Rodney Hood, C Aron Baynes, 2022 first-round pick (lottery-protected), 2021 second-round pick (via Golden State Warriors)

Toronto Raptors Receive: C Mo Bamba, SF Terrence Ross

While Orlando and Toronto both missed the playoffs, only one is rebuilding.

The Magic should still be looking to take on draft picks, while the Raptors could be back in the postseason next year given their talent.

In this deal, Toronto would get a potential franchise center in Bamba, the No. 6 pick in 2018 who's been stuck playing behind Nikola Vucevic and now Wendell Carter Jr. Over his final 18 games, the 23-year-old averaged 11.6 points, 8.3 rebounds and 1.8 blocks in 22.3 minutes.

Ross has long been one of the league's best bench scorers and averaged a career-high 15.6 points per game this season. He'd fill the same role in a return to Toronto, the franchise that drafted him at No. 8 in 2012.

Orlando would land a pair of veterans on expiring deals who can help mentor the young core, or the Magic can choose $18.2 million in cap space given that Hood and Baynes have non-guaranteed salaries for 2021-22. Next year's first-rounder is the key return, but the Magic would also pick up a mid-second-round pick in the upcoming draft.”

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This is something I would do. Not sure if Orlando would do that tho.

[Federalies]

So I’m not usually a fan of Bleacherreports “This team should trade this player to that team for this player” Clickbait....but I actually kind of like this one and I’d like the Forums thoughts.

First off, this trade hinges on the fact we end up taking one of the PG/SG’s with our pick in this years draft (see
Cade, Green, Suggs, Moody, Keon etc) rather than Mobly. While I like me some Kehm Birch I’m not sold he’s a starting C on a playoff team with aspirations. As such, I present you the “Mo Bamba Option. Just as a refresher, Mo turned 23 recently and dealt with a stress fracture in year one, like Bradley Beal, and played behind Vouch and now Wendell Carter JR. Mo is 7’ and has a wingspan of .........7’10”!!

“ Orlando Magic Receive: G/F Rodney Hood, C Aron Baynes, 2022 first-round pick (lottery-protected), 2021 second-round pick (via Golden State Warriors)

Toronto Raptors Receive: C Mo Bamba, SF Terrence Ross

While Orlando and Toronto both missed the playoffs, only one is rebuilding.

The Magic should still be looking to take on draft picks, while the Raptors could be back in the postseason next year given their talent.

In this deal, Toronto would get a potential franchise center in Bamba, the No. 6 pick in 2018 who's been stuck playing behind Nikola Vucevic and now Wendell Carter Jr. Over his final 18 games, the 23-year-old averaged 11.6 points, 8.3 rebounds and 1.8 blocks in 22.3 minutes.

Ross has long been one of the league's best bench scorers and averaged a career-high 15.6 points per game this season. He'd fill the same role in a return to Toronto, the franchise that drafted him at No. 8 in 2012.

Orlando would land a pair of veterans on expiring deals who can help mentor the young core, or the Magic can choose $18.2 million in cap space given that Hood and Baynes have non-guaranteed salaries for 2021-22. Next year's first-rounder is the key return, but the Magic would also pick up a mid-second-round pick in the upcoming draft.”

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This is something I would do. Not sure if Orlando would do that tho.

I was thinking the same thing, then I remembered that Orlando has 2 top 10 picks this year (1 likely to be top 4). They also got a ton of high end dudes in their player dump at the trade deadline including Wendell Carter Jr who looks to start over Mo next year. Mo is also entering into his final rookie year and will be looking to get payed.

We’d be buying low assuming our training/strength/conditioning folks can draw out Mo’s draft potential. In the end I’d rather take a shot at something like this than throwing a ton of bank at RFA’s like Collins and Allen, or backing up the Brinks truck for 30 year old Kelly O (who I actually like at the right price)!

[Ell Curry]

Clippers make sense for Zubac + filler
Lakers are an option for THT + filler
Ideally I want Barton + Bol Bol

Zubac and Beverley makes a ton of sense. We get a cheap young starting center and use Beverley's contract in a trade.

I assume the Lakers won't give up Horton-Tucker, but he makes a lot of sense for us.

The Nuggets I've written before make a ton of sense because Lowry could be their #1 guard next year and then be paired with Murray as he ages. No idea if he'd want to go there. I don't think Bol Bol is a solid enough prospect despite his upside, we'd want the 26th pick or Nnaji too.

Philly of course is an option, Lowry for George Hill (opting in to his one year deal at 10M, to be flipped like Beverley) with Maxey, their pick or Thybulle or ideally 2 of those.

Golden State makes sense but they have weird apron trouble.

DeVincenzo for Lowry would fit Milwaukee trying to win now but we do have similar quality players at the 2 guard spot in Trent and Harris.

An out of left field one would be Saric and Jalen Smith for Lowry. Phoenix gets a Paul/Lowry/Booker backcourt and still have Bridges/Crowder/Johnson at forward and Ayton at center and could presumably get him a backup at the 5 with the MLE. If Paul and Lowry play 30 minutes a night they'd stay fresh and 12 minutes together would give them a solid lineup without Booker and closing games with Paul/Lowry/Booker/Bridges/Ayton against everyone who can't bully that lineup. We'd get Saric to split time with Birch and Smith would be a center prospect to develop.

[Lord_Zedd]

So I’m not usually a fan of Bleacherreports “This team should trade this player to that team for this player” Clickbait....but I actually kind of like this one and I’d like the Forums thoughts.

First off, this trade hinges on the fact we end up taking one of the PG/SG’s with our pick in this years draft (see
Cade, Green, Suggs, Moody, Keon etc) rather than Mobly. While I like me some Kehm Birch I’m not sold he’s a starting C on a playoff team with aspirations. As such, I present you the “Mo Bamba Option. Just as a refresher, Mo turned 23 recently and dealt with a stress fracture in year one, like Bradley Beal, and played behind Vouch and now Wendell Carter JR. Mo is 7’ and has a wingspan of .........7’10”!!

“ Orlando Magic Receive: G/F Rodney Hood, C Aron Baynes, 2022 first-round pick (lottery-protected), 2021 second-round pick (via Golden State Warriors)

Toronto Raptors Receive: C Mo Bamba, SF Terrence Ross

While Orlando and Toronto both missed the playoffs, only one is rebuilding.

The Magic should still be looking to take on draft picks, while the Raptors could be back in the postseason next year given their talent.

In this deal, Toronto would get a potential franchise center in Bamba, the No. 6 pick in 2018 who's been stuck playing behind Nikola Vucevic and now Wendell Carter Jr. Over his final 18 games, the 23-year-old averaged 11.6 points, 8.3 rebounds and 1.8 blocks in 22.3 minutes.

Ross has long been one of the league's best bench scorers and averaged a career-high 15.6 points per game this season. He'd fill the same role in a return to Toronto, the franchise that drafted him at No. 8 in 2012.

Orlando would land a pair of veterans on expiring deals who can help mentor the young core, or the Magic can choose $18.2 million in cap space given that Hood and Baynes have non-guaranteed salaries for 2021-22. Next year's first-rounder is the key return, but the Magic would also pick up a mid-second-round pick in the upcoming draft.”

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This is something I would do. Not sure if Orlando would do that tho.

I was thinking the same thing, then I remembered that Orlando has 2 top 10 picks this year (1 likely to be top 4). They also got a ton of high end dudes in their player dump at the trade deadline including Wendell Carter Jr who looks to start over Mo next year. Mo is also entering into his final rookie year and will be looking to get payed.

We’d be buying low assuming our training/strength/conditioning folks can draw out Mo’s draft potential. In the end I’d rather take a shot at something like this than throwing a ton of bank at RFA’s like Collins and Allen, or backing up the Brinks truck for 30 year old Kelly O (who I actually like at the right price)!

I originally wanted Bamba at the cost of Terrence Davis before the trade deadline..... Right now Bamba needs some serious work on the defensive end. He couldn't outduel Birch over playing time- who's with us now, and he can't beat out Wendell Carter Jr in a fresh slate.

Adding a 1st, even lottery protected is too much.

[Federalies]

This is something I would do. Not sure if Orlando would do that tho.

I was thinking the same thing, then I remembered that Orlando has 2 top 10 picks this year (1 likely to be top 4). They also got a ton of high end dudes in their player dump at the trade deadline including Wendell Carter Jr who looks to start over Mo next year. Mo is also entering into his final rookie year and will be looking to get payed.

We’d be buying low assuming our training/strength/conditioning folks can draw out Mo’s draft potential. In the end I’d rather take a shot at something like this than throwing a ton of bank at RFA’s like Collins and Allen, or backing up the Brinks truck for 30 year old Kelly O (who I actually like at the right price)!

I originally wanted Bamba at the cost of Terrence Davis before the trade deadline..... Right now Bamba needs some serious work on the defensive end. He couldn't outduel Birch over playing time- who's with us now, and he can't beat out Wendell Carter Jr in a fresh slate.

Adding a 1st, even lottery protected is too much.

I get that, I’m just wondering how much the issue was Mo vs his stress fracture meets recovery meets COVID meets system I.e. Orlando seemed to run a more traditional offence/defence where Nick and team might be able to get more out of a guy like Mo! As for the pick, if we’re expecting a late First for Lowry, who could walk for nothing, I don’t see that as a deal breaker for a 7’ 23 year old with a 7’10” wingspan/former #6 pick who does all the things we need from a big I.e. rebound, protect the rim, and has shown some offensive upside when healthy.

If some folks think taking a soon to be 23 yr old Davion Mitchell with our #7 pick in a loaded draft makes sense then perhaps Mo doesn’t sound too crazy?

[isyed]

Long shot for the following but possible depending where the Minny pick lands and how bad the Bucks and Clippers do. As well we need some luck and end up in the top 4 slot.

If Clippers flame out in the first round and Bucks loose to the nets in 5 or 6 games we might see some desperate teams.

Warriors desperately need some talent and size to match up with Curry/Thompson and Draymond's time frame.
Clippers need better supporting casts and better leadership and creators.
Giannis would have to throw in the white towel and ask for a trade after 5 years of not moving forward in the playoffs.

Lowry also has to show interest in going to the clippers with his connection with Tye/Billups/Kawhi/Serge/Morris and the Clippers willing to pay for Kyle.

Clippers

Out
PG
Beverly
Future 1st

In

Lowry + Holiday + Boucher

Lowry/Rondo
Holiday
Kawhi
Morris/Boucher
Zubac/Serge


Warriors

Out
Wolves 2020 pick (5 or 6)
Warriors 2020 1st pick (14)
Wiseman
Wiggins

In
PG
Brook Lopez

Curry
Thompson
PG
Draymond
Lopez

Bucks

Out
Giannis
Brooks Lopez
Holiday

In
Wiseman
Wiggins
Beverly(Maybe flip him for another pick + Salary)
$7million salary filler expiring
Timberwolves 2020 5/6 pick
Warriors 2020 14th pick
Clippers 2026 1st rounder
Raps 2020 top 4 pick
Raptors 2022 1st rounder Unprotected
Raptors 2024 1st rounder Unprotected
2021 Pick swap
2023 Pick swap
2025 Pick swap

2020 Raps 1st(Suggs)
Wiggins
Middleton
Portis
Wiseman


Raptors

Out
Boucher
Lowry sign and trade 3 year 66Mill deal
Raps 2020 top 4 pick
Raptors 2022 1st rounder Unprotected
Raptors 2024 1st rounder Unprotected
2021 Pick swap
2023 Pick swap
2025 Pick swap

In

Giannis


Raptors 2021/22 team

Giannis/Birch/Gillispie
Siakam/Yuta
OG/PW
GTJr/Harris
FVV/Flynn

Still have MLE to use assuming Birch comes back on BAE.

[Morris_Shatford]

All this to say RealGMers, assuming this happens (big if) what’s the chances we find a dance partner and what do you expect to get back? Thanks in advance for your ideas/suggestions!

I expect Lowry to either stay or sign into a teams Cap space;
The benefit of the S&T for us is pretty minimal at this point.

Had we traded him for middling assets and expiring contracts at the deadline then you get to walk into this summer with a clean slate and whatever middling assets you got. S&Ting him for he most part negates our cap space as we likely need to take salary back which sits on your books for the season.

Even if we are not advocates of spending our cap space on free agents, I am not confident that S&T Lowry would yield more assets than simply selling our cap space to a team that needs to clear space this summer.

The returns on S&Ts historically haven't been dynamite either, even if you go down that road you are likely in a situation where best case you take on an expiring contract as ballast that plays a position of need, a middling prospect, and potentially a middling draft asset.

[mtcan]

I'm looking at that report that Donovan Mitchell is unhappy with the Jazz..and I'm thinking...I think it's time to trade the guy before he and his disagreements with the team and teammates like Rudy Gobert get worse.

I say...Masai get on the phone...

Toronto trades:
Pascal Siakam, Malachi Flynn, 2021 and next year's first round pick

Utah trade:
Donovan Mitchell and next season's second round pick

All-star for all-star...Jazz get an all-NBA player in Pascal. Raptors get the shot maker they desperately need.

With the lottery pick...Raptors can take Scottie Barnes to add some passing and defence.

[OAKLEY_2]

I'm looking at that report that Donovan Mitchell is unhappy with the Jazz..and I'm thinking...I think it's time to trade the guy before he and his disagreements with the team and teammates like Rudy Gobert get worse.

I say...Masai get on the phone...

Toronto trades:
Pascal Siakam, Malachi Flynn, 2021 and next year's first round pick

Utah trade:
Donovan Mitchell and next season's second round pick

All-star for all-star...Jazz get an all-NBA player in Pascal. Raptors get the shot maker they desperately need.

With the lottery pick...Raptors can take Scottie Barnes to add some passing and defence.

Let's trade for Mitchell and draft Mitchell. Mitchell squared.

[mtcan]

I'm looking at that report that Donovan Mitchell is unhappy with the Jazz..and I'm thinking...I think it's time to trade the guy before he and his disagreements with the team and teammates like Rudy Gobert get worse.

I say...Masai get on the phone...

Toronto trades:
Pascal Siakam, Malachi Flynn, 2021 and next year's first round pick

Utah trade:
Donovan Mitchell and next season's second round pick

All-star for all-star...Jazz get an all-NBA player in Pascal. Raptors get the shot maker they desperately need.

With the lottery pick...Raptors can take Scottie Barnes to add some passing and defence.

Let's trade for Mitchell and draft Mitchell. Mitchell squared.

Yup...I considered that too. The all-Mitchell backcourt...