We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

amcoolio · Post #1901 » by **amcoolio** » Mon May 24, 2021 7:30 pm

Offer 5-7 million a year, if he makes more somewhere else, so be it. Is anyone here really gonna be upset that someone else paid Malik Monk 3/30 and we didn't match it

HornetJail · Post #1902 » by **HornetJail** » Mon May 24, 2021 9:20 pm

amcoolio wrote:Offer 5-7 million a year, if he makes more somewhere else, so be it. Is anyone here really gonna be upset that someone else paid Malik Monk 3/30 and we didn't match it

*raises hand quickly*

You really want our bench to be even worse?

Rich4114 · Post #1903 » by **Rich4114** » Mon May 24, 2021 11:54 pm

He will make at least $10m per from someone. I would be happy if it’s us and I’d be even happier if it was less than that. I’d be more upset if we paid Graham $12-$15m per which if JB has his way, we will.

Rays Pompadour · Post #1904 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Tue May 25, 2021 12:35 am

Rich4114 wrote:He will make at least $10m per from someone. I would be happy if it’s us and I’d be even happier if it was less than that. I’d be more upset if we paid Graham $12-$15m per which if JB has his way, we will.

There are some pundits who think Graham will get an offer sheet in the range you mention above. I believe if he gets that kind of offer, particularly one that's front-loaded, Charlotte will let him walk. Personally, I think Graham is man enough to gamble on himself, take the QO and get to UFA next summer when more teams will have cap space.

As for Monk, I don't think he'll get a big offer elsewhere. I do think the Hornets will attempt to lock him up, though not at or above the $15M starting level money. If the Hornets speak loving words while offering Monk a juicy contract extension, I think he'll sign.

amcoolio · Post #1905 » by **amcoolio** » Tue May 25, 2021 1:00 am

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
amcoolio wrote:Offer 5-7 million a year, if he makes more somewhere else, so be it. Is anyone here really gonna be upset that someone else paid Malik Monk 3/30 and we didn't match it

*raises hand quickly*

You really want our bench to be even worse?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/monkma01/gamelog/2021

He improved his 3PT, okay, but how many more years of game logs like this are we gonna wait on this guy?

JMAC3 · Post #1906 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:09 pm

The Market dictates how much players will make.

In Monks case there are three options essentially.
1. A team with cap space likes him and offers him more than 10 Million in 12-15 range per year.
2. A team likes him and offers him full MLE of 10 Million per year.
3. Nobody wants him much and he takes an offer for like 5 Million per year.

However if you look at the free agent guards in this class... how many guys are just better and worth more than Monk?

Derozan, Conley, Oladipo, Duncan Robinson, Norman Powell, Kyle Lowry, Gary Trent, Lonzo Ball, Tim Hardaway, Diniwiddie, Schroeder, Dragic, Fournier are all just better and worth more money.. that is 13 guys already.

Then Graham, Reggie Jackson, Derrick Rose, Danny Green and Josh Hart are all right there with him. So does the 15th? best guard this summer make more than the MLE? I don't see anyway it is possible regardless of his age and potential.

My guess is he is making somewhere in the 5-10 range per year. Not sure if that is with us, but no way he is getting some multi year deal worth over 30 million.

amcoolio · Post #1907 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:53 pm

JMAC3 wrote:The Market dictates how much players will make.

In Monks case there are three options essentially.
1. A team with cap space likes him and offers him more than 10 Million in 12-15 range per year.
2. A team likes him and offers him full MLE of 10 Million per year.
3. Nobody wants him much and he takes an offer for like 5 Million per year.

However if you look at the free agent guards in this class... how many guys are just better and worth more than Monk?

Derozan, Conley, Oladipo, Duncan Robinson, Norman Powell, Kyle Lowry, Gary Trent, Lonzo Ball, Tim Hardaway, Diniwiddie, Schroeder, Dragic, Fournier are all just better and worth more money.. that is 13 guys already.

Then Graham, Reggie Jackson, Derrick Rose, Danny Green and Josh Hart are all right there with him. So does the 15th? best guard this summer make more than the MLE? I don't see anyway it is possible regardless of his age and potential.

My guess is he is making somewhere in the 5-10 range per year. Not sure if that is with us, but no way he is getting some multi year deal worth over 30 million.

Id rather have Monk over Fournier, Graham, Jackson, and probably Schroeder and Oladipo because of attitudes, and that's it

I get the appeal of Malik Monk, but I'm tired of paying guys who show up for less than half of the season. Plus we need bigger guards who can at least make the player they are defending sweat.

Rich4114 · Post #1908 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:59 am

Many of the guards you listed are veterans in the twilight of their career while Monk is like 23 with athletic ability through the roof and an improved jumper with the ability to create shots for others and get to the rim. I’m high on him for a reason and the organization would be smart and so would he to try and work out a 3 year deal that gives him a chance to hit pay dirt if he proves he can keep his trajectory headed in this direction. Something like 3/36 wouldn’t hurt us, it’d also create a very tradable contract and give us first dibs to extend him if he takes another jump the way Terry did.

JMAC3 · Post #1909 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:07 am

Rich4114 wrote:Many of the guards you listed are veterans in the twilight of their career while Monk is like 23 with athletic ability through the roof and an improved jumper with the ability to create shots for others and get to the rim. I’m high on him for a reason and the organization would be smart and so would he to try and work out a 3 year deal that gives him a chance to hit pay dirt if he proves he can keep his trajectory headed in this direction. Something like 3/36 wouldn’t hurt us, it’d also create a very tradable contract and give us first dibs to extend him if he takes another jump the way Terry did.

I am not saying all those guys are good fits for us... but what I am saying is that many teams with cap space will prioritize signing those guys over Monk first. Paying Monk 3/36 is way more than he is going to get on the open market, he simply isn't proven enough to make that big of money especially when there are more proven guys teams will choose to spend free agency money on.

I do not see a team dipping into cap space dollars to sign Monk to a multi-year deal. Most I see him getting is 10 Million per year with MLE after all the teams with cap space are out of room, in which case we can match if we like with his restricted rights. He is too small and poor of a defender to be a starter on a good team, so which team is giving him Jordan Clarkson type money to come off the bench when he has never been anywhere close to as good as Clarkson is on a night to night basis.

My guess is he gets a 2/14 offer from a few teams, in which case I would consider matching depending on how things go in draft and free agency.

Chapelchilla · Post #1910 » by **Chapelchilla** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:29 pm

If we pay Monk 3/36 we are going to really really regret that contract. 2/15 take it or leave it. We can do better for less.

Rich4114 · Post #1911 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:08 pm

Every year the predicted contracts guys like this end up getting are under projected by fans. Wait till you guys see what Duncan Robinson gets.

wilson115 · Post #1912 » by **wilson115** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:16 am

Rich4114 wrote:Every year the predicted contracts guys like this end up getting are under projected by fans. Wait till you guys see what Duncan Robinson gets.

Or the player who got picked right after Monk in the meantime.

Read on Twitter

SpearNMgicHelmt · Post #1913 » by **SpearNMgicHelmt** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:07 am

wilson115 wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:Every year the predicted contracts guys like this end up getting are under projected by fans. Wait till you guys see what Duncan Robinson gets.

Or the player who got picked right after Monk in the meantime.

Read on Twitter

Wow. When we played the Clippers this year, I recall Kennard only getting in the games during garbage time.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1914 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:19 am

If anything that should be a warning sign to us not to give a meh player that kind of money

Post #1915 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:47 am

Rich4114 wrote:Every year the predicted contracts guys like this end up getting are under projected by fans. Wait till you guys see what Duncan Robinson gets.

The opposite is also true though.

You could just as easily say: “Every year the predicted contracts guys like this end up getting are over projected by fans”.

JMAC3 · Post #1916 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:52 am

That Kennard deal is horrible and he has been out of the rotation a ton, not sure that is how you justify paying Monk.

Monk should be trying to get a Jeremy Lamb deal off 3/21 that he signed with Hornets and hopefully finally showcase he is a top 6-7 option on a good team.

Nobody is offering this man 30 million, my guess is 2/10 from some horrible team like OKC where he can get loads of minutes.

SWedd523 · Post #1917 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:45 am

wilson115 wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:Every year the predicted contracts guys like this end up getting are under projected by fans. Wait till you guys see what Duncan Robinson gets.

Or the player who got picked right after Monk in the meantime.

Read on Twitter

Terrible contract before the ink dried. Not setting a good precedent for Monk

wilson115 · Post #1918 » by **wilson115** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:25 am

SWedd523 wrote:
wilson115 wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:Every year the predicted contracts guys like this end up getting are under projected by fans. Wait till you guys see what Duncan Robinson gets.

Or the player who got picked right after Monk in the meantime.

Read on Twitter

Terrible contract before the ink dried. Not setting a good precedent for Monk

Wondering if the Clippers did it on purpose to make things harder for everyone else.

amcoolio · Post #1919 » by **amcoolio** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:51 am

If we sign Monk to a 4 year 64 million dollar contract I will be livid

Benjamin Linus · Post #1920 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:04 am

There were also plenty of examples of teams making a mistake by not resigning their players. Sacramento letting Bogdan Bogdanović sign a 4/72 deal with Atlanta is looking like a terrible move. Dude's been a real catalyst for Atlanta this year. Not saying Monk should get near that money, but his per36 numbers and percentages are right in line with Bogdan's in Sacramento.

You could also throw in Detroit not resigning Christian Wood and Denver not resigning Jerami Grant as bad moves.