Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[OrlChamps2030]

Shades of T mac. IF T mac couldn't shoot to save his life. if he couldn't,he wouldn't be T mac but Gerald Wallace. It's like saying Kaminsky has shades of Hakeem because he hit turnaround jumper once in practice.

He is fairly athletic and has strong frame, but he can't shoot and isn't that tall.

I'm not writing him off, but i see more of Isaac Okoro type prospect than two way- superstar wing like you are projecting.

Look, you can look it up. It's something factual. Compared him with OG Anunoby. Defense, not stiff, plus athlete, not so talented offensive player.

What is boils down to with Kuminga is how much you think his shot will develop v. how little you think his shot will develop. It's very simple.

There are guys with similar bodies types and similar skill sets - Jaylen Brown, OG Anunoby, Kawhi Leonard among others - who dramatically improved their shooting from where it was at a similar age as Kuminga is now and have gone on to become good/great players.

There are other guys with similar bodies (although not necessarily similar skill sets IMO) like Josh Jackson, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Stanley Johnson, who's shooting just never improved enough and they have bounced around the league.

Kuminga is 18 years old. He was a willing shooter in the G-League bubble and his shot, to my untrained eye, does not appear to be broken or even hitchy. He just needs to improve it.

Can/will he?

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look at the mechanics....not broken....no hitch.....smooth

I don’t see him getting those shots up off the dribble against NBA defenses.. which is fine as he is obviously a project and won’t be asked to take those shots early on in his career.. but hard to take anything away from this video..

I’m interested if Kuminga is 6”8 instead of 6”6. Any word if he’ll get measured before the draft?

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Remember when people got really excited over Bamba’s shooting ability in workout videos? Yeah, me too.

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Remember when people got really excited over Bamba’s shooting ability in workout videos? Yeah, me too.

i'm talking about the form, that's it....take what you will from the video i'm just saying that the form doesn't look broken....i'm just trying to get people familiar with someone who could very well end up being selected by this team but people seem to be going out of their way to focus on the negative...if he's selected i don't want to see anybody backpedaling...keep the same energy

[pepe1991]

Remember when people got really excited over Bamba’s shooting ability in workout videos? Yeah, me too.

i'm talking about the form, that's it....take what you will from the video i'm just saying that the form doesn't look broken....i'm just trying to get people familiar with someone who could very well end up being selected by this team but people seem to be going out of their way to focus on the negative...if he's selected i don't want to see anybody backpedaling...keep the same energy

Him and Barnes are by far worst fits for rest of a roster for Orlando.

Let's assume Kuminga is selected.

So our starting PG can't shoot, our backup PG is mediocre chucker who shot 33,7% for 3, our project SG Hampton also can't shoot that well, our starting SF ( Kuminga) also can't shoot, our PF shoots 33% for 3 on 440 attemps and our starting center Wendell Carter jr can't shoot pass 10 feet.

Needless to say, our spacing will make each and every single one of them look that much worst because in any serious game, opponents will just go under every screeen. God forbid having that spacing in playoffs. Lakers have Drummond , Lebron & Davis and their spacing was horrendus vs Suns.

[tiderulz]

Remember when people got really excited over Bamba’s shooting ability in workout videos? Yeah, me too.

i'm talking about the form, that's it....take what you will from the video i'm just saying that the form doesn't look broken....i'm just trying to get people familiar with someone who could very well end up being selected by this team but people seem to be going out of their way to focus on the negative...if he's selected i don't want to see anybody backpedaling...keep the same energy

Him and Barnes are by far worst fits for rest of a roster for Orlando.

Let's assume Kuminga is selected.

So our starting PG can't shoot, our backup PG is mediocre chucker who shot 33,7% for 3, our project SG Hampton also can't shoot that well, our starting SF ( Kuminga) also can't shoot, our PF shoots 33% for 3 on 440 attemps and our starting center Wendell Carter jr can't shoot pass 10 feet.

Needless to say, our spacing will make each and every single one of them look that much worst because in any serious game, opponents will just go under every screeen. God forbid having that spacing in playoffs. Lakers have Drummond , Lebron & Davis and their spacing was horrendus vs Suns.

i assume he is also projecting development. Hampton and Cole can improve their shooting. Will they is another story, but they arent locking into being bad shooters forever at 20.

[pepe1991]

i'm talking about the form, that's it....take what you will from the video i'm just saying that the form doesn't look broken....i'm just trying to get people familiar with someone who could very well end up being selected by this team but people seem to be going out of their way to focus on the negative...if he's selected i don't want to see anybody backpedaling...keep the same energy

Him and Barnes are by far worst fits for rest of a roster for Orlando.

Let's assume Kuminga is selected.

So our starting PG can't shoot, our backup PG is mediocre chucker who shot 33,7% for 3, our project SG Hampton also can't shoot that well, our starting SF ( Kuminga) also can't shoot, our PF shoots 33% for 3 on 440 attemps and our starting center Wendell Carter jr can't shoot pass 10 feet.

Needless to say, our spacing will make each and every single one of them look that much worst because in any serious game, opponents will just go under every screeen. God forbid having that spacing in playoffs. Lakers have Drummond , Lebron & Davis and their spacing was horrendus vs Suns.

i assume he is also projecting development. Hampton and Cole can improve their shooting. Will they is another story, but they arent locking into being bad shooters forever at 20.

Why Bamba, Isaac, Wendel Carter, Gordon , Payton didn't learn how to shoot despite being in nba for at least 3 years. as long as 7?
Despite having some improvments over years, nobody become plus shooter , brought to nba as fairly limited one...

Shooting is gift, when you look young kids and how easly it is to some, and how impossible it is to other, it's not hard to figure shooting is most talent based skill in sport.
Few months ago i was on the court and random kid comes by , kid is like 10, and he starts bombing.. I'm talking about knockdown shooting despite having bearly enough strenght to throw ball from 3 point line, next thing you know, his father comes, and i figure his father is former professional basketball player who even won bronze in 1994 world cup. No suprise, guy was dead eye shooting guard.

It's just what it is, for some it's most natural thing in the world, for some it's rubik's cube.

[tiderulz]

Him and Barnes are by far worst fits for rest of a roster for Orlando.

Let's assume Kuminga is selected.

So our starting PG can't shoot, our backup PG is mediocre chucker who shot 33,7% for 3, our project SG Hampton also can't shoot that well, our starting SF ( Kuminga) also can't shoot, our PF shoots 33% for 3 on 440 attemps and our starting center Wendell Carter jr can't shoot pass 10 feet.

Needless to say, our spacing will make each and every single one of them look that much worst because in any serious game, opponents will just go under every screeen. God forbid having that spacing in playoffs. Lakers have Drummond , Lebron & Davis and their spacing was horrendus vs Suns.

i assume he is also projecting development. Hampton and Cole can improve their shooting. Will they is another story, but they arent locking into being bad shooters forever at 20.

Why Bamba, Isaac, Wendel Carter, Gordon , Payton didn't learn how to shoot despite being in nba for at least 3 years. as long as 7?
Despite having some improvments over years, nobody become plus shooter , brought to nba as fairly limited one...

Shooting is gift, when you look young kids and how easly it is to some, and how impossible it is to other, it's not hard to figure shooting is most talent based skill in sport.
Few months ago i was on the court and random kid comes by , kid is like 10, and he starts bombing.. I'm talking about knockdown shooting despite having bearly enough strenght to throw ball from 3 point line, next thing you know, his father comes, and i figure his father is former professional basketball player who even won bronze in 1994 world cup. No suprise, guy was dead eye shooting guard.

It's just what it is, for some it's most natural thing in the world, for some it's rubik's cube.

Vuc developed a 3 pt shot. so did Brook Lopez. Jason Kidd, MAgic Johnson. Ariza took 8 years to shoot above 33% from 3. Tobias Harris went from 26% from 3 to near 40% now. Julius Randle came into the league without a 3 pt shot and shot 40% this year, his 7th in the league.

Ja Morant shoots the 3 at 30%, he must suck, yet he is effective. I doubt Memphis thinks he will always shoot it at 30%.

Shooting isnt a gift, it is a skill and talent that can be improved upon. some acquire that talent easier and faster, for others it is harder and takes more effort and time. Just depends if someone is willing to put in that effort.

[rcklsscognition]

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I'm just playing around, I put absolutely no effort into researching draft prospects. It's hard enough for the professional scouts to do it. To be fair, Iwundu does miss two 3 pointers in this video I think, but he doesn't nearly lose the ball on that spin move which I've seen Kuminga do three times in the 5 minutes of video I've watch of him.

I'm just wondering if it's asking too much that someone know how to dribble a basketball after potentially 10 years of organized activity in a sport.

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I'm sure if we drafted Kuminga I'd like him just as much as I did Iwundu, who was one of my favorite players during his time here. Doesn't mean I think it's what we need. I'm looking for a ball dominant playmaker who can take over games.

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Remember when people got really excited over Bamba’s shooting ability in workout videos? Yeah, me too.

i'm talking about the form, that's it....take what you will from the video i'm just saying that the form doesn't look broken....i'm just trying to get people familiar with someone who could very well end up being selected by this team but people seem to be going out of their way to focus on the negative...if he's selected i don't want to see anybody backpedaling...keep the same energy

I’ve watched enough pre-draft workouts to know it means nothing. Nothing unless we see it translating on the court in a game.

If he ends up getting selected, great. His form could be trash and I wouldn’t care if he was dropping 25+ a game proving the doubters wrong.

[RookieStar]

Remember when people got really excited over Bamba’s shooting ability in workout videos? Yeah, me too.

i'm talking about the form, that's it....take what you will from the video i'm just saying that the form doesn't look broken....i'm just trying to get people familiar with someone who could very well end up being selected by this team but people seem to be going out of their way to focus on the negative...if he's selected i don't want to see anybody backpedaling...keep the same energy

Form looks good I admit, but will it translate to his game? Can he do that with a man on him or even when he is open but the pressure is there? Remains to be seen.

I mean, you have read those articles right during pre-game warmups when guys like ROBIN FREAKING LOPEZ drains 10 3pt shots in a row with a shooting form reminiscent of Reggie Miller?from different areas in the 3pt line and they have the video as proof? However during the games the guy is practically scared and has a weird form shooting the 3 as to the pre-game warmup.

That's my only question on Kuminga. But yeah, if we are unlucky enough to be unable to get the top4 and have to "settle" on him then yeah, i'll be rooting for the kid and concentrate on his strengths like raw athleticism and such

[RookieStar]

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I'm just playing around, I put absolutely no effort into researching draft prospects. It's hard enough for the professional scouts to do it. To be fair, Iwundu does miss two 3 pointers in this video I think, but he doesn't nearly lose the ball on that spin move which I've seen Kuminga do three times in the 5 minutes of video I've watch of him.

I'm just wondering if it's asking too much that someone know how to dribble a basketball after potentially 10 years of organized activity in a sport.

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I'm sure if we drafted Kuminga I'd like him just as much as I did Iwundu, who was one of my favorite players during his time here. Doesn't mean I think it's what we need. I'm looking for a ball dominant playmaker who can take over games.

Watching those workout videos along with his physical measurements, you would think Wes was a top-lotto pick lol

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Remember when people got really excited over Bamba’s shooting ability in workout videos? Yeah, me too.

The KG video actually gave me hope that bamba was gonna be a superstar after bashing him for months leading up to the draft

[KillMonger]

second round targets?

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Bleacher Report article- Biggest Red Flags Lottery Picks

Scottie Barnes

How valuable can a forward be who can't create for himself or shoot? It's a reasonable question for teams who detect upside with Scottie Barnes and consider him a top-10 pick.

Cade Cunningham

Cade Cunningham's 46.1 two-point percentage was lower than that of every recent top-three pick (guard and wings) during their predraft seasons.

Josh Giddey

Josh Giddey's production and triple-doubles in the NBL could earn him looks from teams in the draft lottery. But there is debate surrounding how his game will translate to the NBA

Just a snippet..........

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942686-biggest-red-flags-for-projected-2021-nba-draft-lottery-picks

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Bleacher Report article- Biggest Red Flags Lottery Picks

Scottie Barnes

How valuable can a forward be who can't create for himself or shoot? It's a reasonable question for teams who detect upside with Scottie Barnes and consider him a top-10 pick.

Cade Cunningham

Cade Cunningham's 46.1 two-point percentage was lower than that of every recent top-three pick (guard and wings) during their predraft seasons.

Josh Giddey

Josh Giddey's production and triple-doubles in the NBL could earn him looks from teams in the draft lottery. But there is debate surrounding how his game will translate to the NBA

Just a snippet..........

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942686-biggest-red-flags-for-projected-2021-nba-draft-lottery-picks

The biggest red flag is Barnes. The only way he’ll be successful is if he’s drafted into the perfect situation.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Hi guys. So, there's a chance that Minny's 2021 FRP may conceive to become our pick (Experts from what we've read is likely the 6th pick). Would you guys do a swap for #3 (You guys are projected to receive top 3 pick) for Wiseman + #6?

[RookieStar]

Hi guys. So, there's a chance that Minny's 2021 FRP may conceive to become our pick (Experts from what we've read is likely the 6th pick). Would you guys do a swap for #3 (You guys are projected to receive top 3 pick) for Wiseman + #6?

For me.. no. We need elite wing scorers plus we have Bamba and WCJ in the C spot. Unless you can convince us JI is going to be injured again and Wiseman can okay the 4?

How about #3 , CHI #10 , DEN 2023 frp and one of cole/rj for Klay? lol

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Hi guys. So, there's a chance that Minny's 2021 FRP may conceive to become our pick (Experts from what we've read is likely the 6th pick). Would you guys do a swap for #3 (You guys are projected to receive top 3 pick) for Wiseman + #6?

For me.. no. We need elite wing scorers plus we have Bamba and WCJ in the C spot. Unless you can convince us JI is going to be injured again and Wiseman can okay the 4?

How about #3 , CHI #10 , DEN 2023 frp and one of cole/rj for Klay? lol

We can take WCJ off your guys’ hands? Haha

[pepe1991]

i assume he is also projecting development. Hampton and Cole can improve their shooting. Will they is another story, but they arent locking into being bad shooters forever at 20.

Why Bamba, Isaac, Wendel Carter, Gordon , Payton didn't learn how to shoot despite being in nba for at least 3 years. as long as 7?
Despite having some improvments over years, nobody become plus shooter , brought to nba as fairly limited one...

Shooting is gift, when you look young kids and how easly it is to some, and how impossible it is to other, it's not hard to figure shooting is most talent based skill in sport.
Few months ago i was on the court and random kid comes by , kid is like 10, and he starts bombing.. I'm talking about knockdown shooting despite having bearly enough strenght to throw ball from 3 point line, next thing you know, his father comes, and i figure his father is former professional basketball player who even won bronze in 1994 world cup. No suprise, guy was dead eye shooting guard.

It's just what it is, for some it's most natural thing in the world, for some it's rubik's cube.

Vuc developed a 3 pt shot. so did Brook Lopez. Jason Kidd, MAgic Johnson. Ariza took 8 years to shoot above 33% from 3. Tobias Harris went from 26% from 3 to near 40% now. Julius Randle came into the league without a 3 pt shot and shot 40% this year, his 7th in the league.

Ja Morant shoots the 3 at 30%, he must suck, yet he is effective. I doubt Memphis thinks he will always shoot it at 30%.

Shooting isnt a gift, it is a skill and talent that can be improved upon. some acquire that talent easier and faster, for others it is harder and takes more effort and time. Just depends if someone is willing to put in that effort.

Debunking all claims

Vuc developed a 3 pt shot.

Vucevic is spending a lot of time here working on his jump shot, which looked terrific in the session we watched. At one point, Vucevic knocked down 11 straight college-three pointers, showing terrific mechanics in the process. Considering he made a solid 39% of his catch and shoot jumpers last season according to Synergy Sports Technology, - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/nikola-vucevic-5828/ ©DraftExpress

Vucevic most defenetly did have solid jumpshot before nba, but much like Lopez, being 1990s kid as center, shooting simply in early and mid 2010s wasn't thing.

Possessing range out to college three point line, he was able to open up the floor for his brother Robin with his ability to score from the perimeter. We had the chance to observe Lopez this summer during an open gym session at the LeBron James Skills Academy, where we were surprised to see that he can even shoot the ball with consistency out to the NBA three point line. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/brook-lopez-545/ ©DraftExpress

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, MAgic Johnson.

Johnson was career 30% three point shooter who over 13 years made 325 threes. Elfrid Payton in 7 seasons made 189 on 29% for 3.
During season when Magic took most threes 1989- 1990, nba teams shot 7 threes a game at average.
Players did not shoot 3s in his era. Period. Magic Johnson, in today's era would probably become good shooter, because he was career 85% FT shooter, but again, in his era 3 point shooting wasn't thing.

Jayson Kidd
Kidd shot 34,9% for 3 for career. In year 2 of his career he shot 33,6% for 3 on 92 attemps in single season. Wtf he "develop" ? In third year he already shot 37% for 3 .

Tobias Harris went from 26% from 3 to near 40% now.

[color=#008000]Cherrypicking much? He shot 6/23 during whole lenght of a season you are using for example.
In year two, with Orlando, right after a trade he shot 40% in February & 36% for 3. Than he had godawful streach in April ( 6/29) so it knocked down his 3% to 31,5% for Orlando. Not really that suprising, considering we were draining him for 41 mpg, forcefed him into 1# option and 24% usage rate. Guy was 20.[/color]

Ja Morant shoots the 3 at 30%, he must suck, yet he is effective. I doubt Memphis thinks he will always shoot it at 30%.

Ja isn't terrible shooter tho. Ja shot 33,5% for 3 as a rookie. In general his TS% is below league's average anyway.

Using all your examples as evidence, it's not hard to see that all those guys showed ability to shoot than just developed upon it.
Over years player can improve upon their standstill shooting, but Jimmy Butler will never become Steph Curry if he "puts in work" because deadeye shooters are deadeye shooters and they simply have more natural talent for it. Case closed.

[RookieStar]

Hi guys. So, there's a chance that Minny's 2021 FRP may conceive to become our pick (Experts from what we've read is likely the 6th pick). Would you guys do a swap for #3 (You guys are projected to receive top 3 pick) for Wiseman + #6?

For me.. no. We need elite wing scorers plus we have Bamba and WCJ in the C spot. Unless you can convince us JI is going to be injured again and Wiseman can okay the 4?

How about #3 , CHI #10 , DEN 2023 frp and one of cole/rj for Klay? lol

We can take WCJ off your guys’ hands? Haha

As a filler in the Klay deal? Where do i sign? lol