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East 1st Round - Game #2: Bullets @ 76ers 7 PM (NBATV) [5/26/21] 

Post#1 » by nate33 » Tue May 25, 2021 2:34 pm

Since FAH1223's mojo failed spectacularly in Game 1, I figured I'd give the Wiz half a chance by starting the Game 2 thread. :wink:

The Wizards played the Sixers pretty tough for most of Game 1, but they were unable to score down the stretch as the offense got more predictable, and the Sixers started hitting 3's.

The Wizards need to play bigger to contend with the Sixers' size. With the 3 guard lineup, double-teaming Embiid with anyone but Rui was like double-teaming him with a mosquito. Embiid either ignored the double team, or passed right over it without a care in the world. Starting another taller player at SF would allow a double team to actually affect Embiid in some minor way. And Westbrook cannot double Embiid from the strong side corner. It's just giving Philly wide open corner 3's.

I'd like to see Bertans start, and I'd like to see more of Gill and/or Hutchison as backup forwards instead of the 3-guard lineup.
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Re: East 1st Round - Game #2: Bullets @ 76ers 7 PM (NBATV) [5/26/21] 

Post#2 » by pancakes3 » Tue May 25, 2021 4:04 pm

agreed. 3 guard is a defensive disaster and doesn't add anything to offense. i guess bench production theoretically suffers without Bertans, but I think grinding it out with Ish/Neto + Gafford is at LEAST a net 0.

and wb obviously plays better when he's got finishers he can trust. you go 3 guard, WB isn't going to pass on shots so he can find Neto whereas he would pass up on shots to feed Bertans.
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Re: East 1st Round - Game #2: Bullets @ 76ers 7 PM (NBATV) [5/26/21] 

Post#3 » by payitforward » Tue May 25, 2021 6:07 pm

Some of you will recollect a game against Toronto on April 5. You'll remember that Brad didn't play because of a hip contusion. & of course, we lost the game.

I'm sure you also recall that Russ didn't shoot well: 9 for 25. Rui was out too that night. So no surprise that we lost, right?

But, to put the icing on the cake: Neto went 2-11, Gill shot 1-5, Smith was 5-12, & Chandler Hutchison missed all of his 6 shots. Let's see that... 8-34 to go along with with Russ's 9-25 night.

Yet, somehow we only lost by 2 points! How come?

Because Bertans turned 8 shots & 2 FTs into 17 points -- kind of amazing.

Oh, & there was another guy too, a player named Mathews who also scored 17 points. But it only took him 7 shots & 3FTs -- just slightly more amazing than Davis Bertans' outing.

So the game was close. In fact, we went into the 4th quarter up by 11 points.

Over the next few games, Davis's minutes stayed steady or went up. Mathews' minutes went down. More time passed, & his minutes continued to go down.

Why is that, I wonder? Is it because Davis is a better 3-point shooter? Well, over 100 3 pt. attempts, their averages suggest that this season Davis will make 1 more than Garrison. OTOH, in that time he'll get to the line less & shoot a lower FT%, & he'll shoot 2-point shots at a lower % too. To put it another way, Garrison't TS% -- his overall effectiveness as a scorer -- is a little better than Davis's.

But don't get me wrong here! Davis Bertans' TS% is .620, which is absolutely terrific & indicates what an outstanding scorer he is! It's just that Garrison Mathews' TS% is .635 -- just that much more outstanding.

Btw, Garrison is 24; Davis is 28 -- back when he was 24, Davis Bertans didn't put up numbers anywhere near the numbers Garrison Mathews has posted this year.

So... I don't know...? Maybe Garrison Mathews should get some minutes tomorrow night -- & some shots too! Maybe that would help.
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Re: East 1st Round - Game #2: Bullets @ 76ers 7 PM (NBATV) [5/26/21] 

Post#4 » by dobrojim » Tue May 25, 2021 6:41 pm

time for my chicken little routine

Maybe this is completely obvious. Going down 0-2 is not an option.
I'd bet the record for teams, especially #8 seeds, is horrible when they
go down 0-2.

As much as I like Neto, I agree that we (Scott) ought to adjust the starting lineup.
Davis, or Gill, ought to start. I'd actually be inclined to start Gill and leave Davis
coming off the bench and play with Ish. Can either guard Harris? We'll have to wait and
see. If it falls to Rui again, he needs to step up and take it personally when Harris scores.
He, or whoever guards Harris, won't get help.

All that said, I will be surprised if Brooks changes anything.
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Re: East 1st Round - Game #2: Bullets @ 76ers 7 PM (NBATV) [5/26/21] 

Post#5 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Tue May 25, 2021 7:21 pm

dobrojim wrote:time for my chicken little routine

Maybe this is completely obvious. Going down 0-2 is not an option.
I'd bet the record for teams, especially #8 seeds, is horrible when they
go down 0-2.

As much as I like Neto, I agree that we (Scott) ought to adjust the starting lineup.
Davis, or Gill, ought to start. I'd actually be inclined to start Gill and leave Davis
coming off the bench and play with Ish. Can either guard Harris? We'll have to wait and
see. If it falls to Rui again, he needs to step up and take it personally when Harris scores.
He, or whoever guards Harris, won't get help.

All that said, I will be surprised if Brooks changes anything.


I do think Gill can guard Harris. He is a fundamentally sound on ball defender and is tall and strong enough. Is he quick enough laterally? I dunno. That’s why you have Gafford behind him.
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Post#6 » by dobrojim » Tue May 25, 2021 7:25 pm

PS actually we know the record for #8 seeds is horrible period.
They've won maybe 3 times in NBA history?
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Re: East 1st Round - Game #2: Bullets @ 76ers 7 PM (NBATV) [5/26/21] 

Post#7 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 25, 2021 7:39 pm

I felt like the Wizards were better the first game. I truly believe officiating had a lot to do with the outcome. This game I expect the Wizards will win.

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Post#8 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 25, 2021 7:39 pm

I believe you are correct
dobrojim wrote:PS actually we know the record for #8 seeds is horrible period.
They've won maybe 3 times in NBA history?


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Re: East 1st Round - Game #2: Bullets @ 76ers 7 PM (NBATV) [5/26/21] 

Post#9 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 25, 2021 7:46 pm

In an honest contest devoid of Prima Donna isolation sets, systematic and strategic execution can prevail.

I think the NBA is largely choreographed and cliche.

"Got to give the people what they want" is not just lyrics from an O'Jays song. It explains coaching and officiating.

As I see it Everybody Eats was the best thing that ever happened and it only happened when John Wall got injured. The Wizards would do so well if they relied on meritocracy rather than star and coach.
payitforward wrote:Some of you will recollect a game against Toronto on April 5. You'll remember that Brad didn't play because of a hip contusion. & of course, we lost the game.

I'm sure you also recall that Russ didn't shoot well: 9 for 25. Rui was out too that night. So no surprise that we lost, right?

But, to put the icing on the cake: Neto went 2-11, Gill shot 1-5, Smith was 5-12, & Chandler Hutchison missed all of his 6 shots. Let's see that... 8-34 to go along with with Russ's 9-25 night.

Yet, somehow we only lost by 2 points! How come?

Because Bertans turned 8 shots & 2 FTs into 17 points -- kind of amazing.

Oh, & there was another guy too, a player named Mathews who also scored 17 points. But it only took him 7 shots & 3FTs -- just slightly more amazing than Davis Bertans' outing.

So the game was close. In fact, we went into the 4th quarter up by 11 points.

Over the next few games, Davis's minutes stayed steady or went up. Mathews' minutes went down. More time passed, & his minutes continued to go down.

Why is that, I wonder? Is it because Davis is a better 3-point shooter? Well, over 100 3 pt. attempts, their averages suggest that this season Davis will make 1 more than Garrison. OTOH, in that time he'll get to the line less & shoot a lower FT%, & he'll shoot 2-point shots at a lower % too. To put it another way, Garrison't TS% -- his overall effectiveness as a scorer -- is a little better than Davis's.

But don't get me wrong here! Davis Bertans' TS% is .620, which is absolutely terrific & indicates what an outstanding scorer he is! It's just that Garrison Mathews' TS% is .635 -- just that much more outstanding.

Btw, Garrison is 24; Davis is 28 -- back when he was 24, Davis Bertans didn't put up numbers anywhere near the numbers Garrison Mathews has posted this year.

So... I don't know...? Maybe Garrison Mathews should get some minutes tomorrow night -- & some shots too! Maybe that would help.


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Re: East 1st Round - Game #2: Bullets @ 76ers 7 PM (NBATV) [5/26/21] 

Post#10 » by NatP4 » Tue May 25, 2021 7:58 pm

Mathews and Gill both need to play. Obviously, Gafford needs to play 30+ minutes.

This is a very talented team with the worst coach in the NBA currently. It is what it is.
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Post#11 » by queridiculo » Tue May 25, 2021 9:12 pm

Sample size on Gill being able to play is minuscule, not sure I would trust him to play meaningful minutes either.

We do however have somebody in Hutchinson that can move, has a bit of size and has a motor on defense.

I'd like to see him at least got a shot in spot minutes as a defensive option, and I'm also struggling to understand why Matthews continues to be burried on the bench when Washington desperately needs to space the floor against a team that has the physical advantage.

With Beal and Westbrook playing 84 of the Wizards 96 guard minutes, it's crazy that we have Smith and Neto combining 45 minutes on the floor.

Also goes without saying that the our two stars cannot turn the ball over 12 times and expect to pull out a game.

If you want to point at one singular thing that cost the Wizards despite a stellar offensive outing, it's their loose play with the ball.
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Re: East 1st Round - Game #2: Bullets @ 76ers 7 PM (NBATV) [5/26/21] 

Post#12 » by Ruzious » Tue May 25, 2021 9:47 pm

NatP4 wrote:Mathews and Gill both need to play. Obviously, Gafford needs to play 30+ minutes.

This is a very talented team with the worst coach in the NBA currently. It is what it is.

Agreed - especially playing Mathews. Where we can... have a competitive advantage in is 3 point shooting, but we're not going to do that unless we play our best 3 point shooters. And at least he's not tiny - like Ish and Neto - getting switched into ridiculous mis-matches. And Gil gives us a solid bigger body that will battle defensively and play smart. Not that there isn't a place for Neto and Ish, but it's gotta be limited - preferably Ish only when we want to speed up the tempo to wear down Philly. No jumpers outside of 15 feet for Ish or Westbrook unless there's nobody within 10 feet of them.
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Post#13 » by nate33 » Tue May 25, 2021 9:55 pm

payitforward wrote:Some of you will recollect a game against Toronto on April 5. You'll remember that Brad didn't play because of a hip contusion. & of course, we lost the game.

I'm sure you also recall that Russ didn't shoot well: 9 for 25. Rui was out too that night. So no surprise that we lost, right?

But, to put the icing on the cake: Neto went 2-11, Gill shot 1-5, Smith was 5-12, & Chandler Hutchison missed all of his 6 shots. Let's see that... 8-34 to go along with with Russ's 9-25 night.

Yet, somehow we only lost by 2 points! How come?

Because Bertans turned 8 shots & 2 FTs into 17 points -- kind of amazing.

Oh, & there was another guy too, a player named Mathews who also scored 17 points. But it only took him 7 shots & 3FTs -- just slightly more amazing than Davis Bertans' outing.

So the game was close. In fact, we went into the 4th quarter up by 11 points.

Over the next few games, Davis's minutes stayed steady or went up. Mathews' minutes went down. More time passed, & his minutes continued to go down.

Why is that, I wonder? Is it because Davis is a better 3-point shooter? Well, over 100 3 pt. attempts, their averages suggest that this season Davis will make 1 more than Garrison. OTOH, in that time he'll get to the line less & shoot a lower FT%, & he'll shoot 2-point shots at a lower % too. To put it another way, Garrison't TS% -- his overall effectiveness as a scorer -- is a little better than Davis's.

But don't get me wrong here! Davis Bertans' TS% is .620, which is absolutely terrific & indicates what an outstanding scorer he is! It's just that Garrison Mathews' TS% is .635 -- just that much more outstanding.

Btw, Garrison is 24; Davis is 28 -- back when he was 24, Davis Bertans didn't put up numbers anywhere near the numbers Garrison Mathews has posted this year.

So... I don't know...? Maybe Garrison Mathews should get some minutes tomorrow night -- & some shots too! Maybe that would help.

I'm completely in favor of Mathews playing more minutes, but I disagree with the idea that he is better than Bertans. It matters that Bertans does what he can do at 6-10 while Mathews is just 6-4. When Mathews plays, he is replacing some other wing player who can shoot pretty well (or he is playing as an undersized SF where he is a defensive liability) and is therefore only slightly helping spacing. When Bertans plays, he is replacing someone who doesn't shoot well at all and therefore massively boosts the spacing for the team.
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Re: East 1st Round - Game #2: Bullets @ 76ers 7 PM (NBATV) [5/26/21] 

Post#14 » by payitforward » Tue May 25, 2021 11:55 pm

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payitforward wrote:Some of you will recollect a game against Toronto on April 5. You'll remember that Brad didn't play because of a hip contusion. & of course, we lost the game.

I'm sure you also recall that Russ didn't shoot well: 9 for 25. Rui was out too that night. So no surprise that we lost, right?

But, to put the icing on the cake: Neto went 2-11, Gill shot 1-5, Smith was 5-12, & Chandler Hutchison missed all of his 6 shots. Let's see that... 8-34 to go along with with Russ's 9-25 night.

Yet, somehow we only lost by 2 points! How come?

Because Bertans turned 8 shots & 2 FTs into 17 points -- kind of amazing.

Oh, & there was another guy too, a player named Mathews who also scored 17 points. But it only took him 7 shots & 3FTs -- just slightly more amazing than Davis Bertans' outing.

So the game was close. In fact, we went into the 4th quarter up by 11 points.

Over the next few games, Davis's minutes stayed steady or went up. Mathews' minutes went down. More time passed, & his minutes continued to go down.

Why is that, I wonder? Is it because Davis is a better 3-point shooter? Well, over 100 3 pt. attempts, their averages suggest that this season Davis will make 1 more than Garrison. OTOH, in that time he'll get to the line less & shoot a lower FT%, & he'll shoot 2-point shots at a lower % too. To put it another way, Garrison't TS% -- his overall effectiveness as a scorer -- is a little better than Davis's.

But don't get me wrong here! Davis Bertans' TS% is .620, which is absolutely terrific & indicates what an outstanding scorer he is! It's just that Garrison Mathews' TS% is .635 -- just that much more outstanding.

Btw, Garrison is 24; Davis is 28 -- back when he was 24, Davis Bertans didn't put up numbers anywhere near the numbers Garrison Mathews has posted this year.

So... I don't know...? Maybe Garrison Mathews should get some minutes tomorrow night -- & some shots too! Maybe that would help.

I'm completely in favor of Mathews playing more minutes, but I disagree with the idea that he is better than Bertans. It matters that Bertans does what he can do at 6-10 while Mathews is just 6-4. When Mathews plays, he is replacing some other wing player who can shoot pretty well (or he is playing as an undersized SF where he is a defensive liability) and is therefore only slightly helping spacing. When Bertans plays, he is replacing someone who doesn't shoot well at all and therefore massively boosts the spacing for the team.

I didn't mean to suggest that Garrison Mathews is a better NBA player than Davis Bertans. Certainly, I wouldn't say that he should play in place of Davis. Situationally & in every other way, that wouldn't make sense.

Essentially, my point was that he should play -- & that some of the reasons he should play are similar to some of the reasons Davis should play (& does play, in his case).

I don't even think one can conclude that Mathews is "a good NBA player," though one can say that he has the potential to become one. Overall, it's not that different from what one would say about Gill or Hutchison. & situationally, i.e. in this series, we need his scoring potential.

In general, we know that teams shorten their rotations in the playoffs. But, this isn't "in general." If we play Beal & Westbrook over 40 minutes a game (as we did in game 1) because we hope "to steal one," we have no chance to take the series. Hell, we have very little chance to do it under any circumstance! But, it can only happen if we get best possible level performances from bench scorers.
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Post#15 » by J-Ves » Wed May 26, 2021 12:25 am

Some of these game 2s have been ugly blowouts. Hopefully the Wiz can continue to keep it competitive
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Post#16 » by 9 and 20 » Wed May 26, 2021 3:10 am

J-Ves wrote:Some of these game 2s have been ugly blowouts. Hopefully the Wiz can continue to keep it competitive


Wiz take this one by 20+ points. Bonga triple double. Brooks' secret extension made public immediately after, so bittersweet.
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Post#17 » by dlts20 » Wed May 26, 2021 3:34 am

Where are all of you who wanted Brooklyn. I will take my chances with Philly, ty.

As I said on the other thread, I expect Brooks to start Neto but abandon it if it goes wrong and someone else will start the 2nd half
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Post#18 » by WallToWall » Wed May 26, 2021 4:49 am

In critical games, Westbrook has done what it takes to win games. He has managed to keep the WTFs to a minimum, while producing triple doubles. I expect that type of production from him in this game. I also expect Beal to score 30+ pts, as that is what will be needed to win. Embiid will do his damage, and all our 3 headed centers can do is limit the damage. It is critical that we stop everyone not named Embiid, if we are to win.
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Post#19 » by payitforward » Wed May 26, 2021 1:15 pm

The way I see it is that we were even with them in the 1st, 2d & 4th quarter.

IOW, if it hadn't been for the 3d quarter, we'd have gone to overtime. We've been quite good in overtime this season, so I think the key to winning game 2 is to eliminate the 3d quarter -- just play quarters 1, 2 & 4.

But... would the league go for that, I wonder?
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Post#20 » by Doug_Blew » Wed May 26, 2021 1:20 pm

J-Ves wrote:Some of these game 2s have been ugly blowouts. Hopefully the Wiz can continue to keep it competitive

Or we Blow them out. :)

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