Your Lotto Mock Draft With Trades: Run The Tankathon Lotto Machine

[Dadouv47]

1. Minnesota Timberwolves - Cade Cunningham
2. Orlando Magic - Evan Mobley
3. Oklahoma City Thunder - Jalen Suggs
4. Houston Rockets - Jalen Green
5. Detroit Pistons - Jonathan Kuminga
6. Cleveland Cavaliers - Scottie Barnes
7. Toronto Raptors - Alperen Sengun
8. Orlando Magic (via Chicago Bulls) - Corey Kispert
9. Sacramento Kings - Franz Wagner
10. New Orleans Pelicans - Davion Mitchell
11. Charlotte Hornets - Keon Johnson
12. San Antonio Spurs - Kai Jones
13. Indiana Pacers - Isaiah Jackson
14. Golden State Warriors - Josh Giddey

I actually have no teams making trades. I could see Detroit at 5 and Toronto at 7 trading down or for a vet, but there's no trade I see in that value range.

I feel like OKC backs up the asset truck to move from 3 to 1 in this scenario

I guess Minny would ask for our 2022 FRP pick (unprotected). I would gamble but not sure if worth it

[Xman]

Too bad Miami cannot get Kispert so they would have a better version of Herro and Robinson.

[shrink]

1. Minnesota Timberwolves - Cade Cunningham
2. Orlando Magic - Evan Mobley
3. Oklahoma City Thunder - Jalen Suggs
4. Houston Rockets - Jalen Green
5. Detroit Pistons - Jonathan Kuminga
6. Cleveland Cavaliers - Scottie Barnes
7. Toronto Raptors - Alperen Sengun
8. Orlando Magic (via Chicago Bulls) - Corey Kispert
9. Sacramento Kings - Franz Wagner
10. New Orleans Pelicans - Davion Mitchell
11. Charlotte Hornets - Keon Johnson
12. San Antonio Spurs - Kai Jones
13. Indiana Pacers - Isaiah Jackson
14. Golden State Warriors - Josh Giddey

I actually have no teams making trades. I could see Detroit at 5 and Toronto at 7 trading down or for a vet, but there's no trade I see in that value range.

I feel like OKC backs up the asset truck to move from 3 to 1 in this scenario

I guess Minny would ask for our 2022 FRP pick (unprotected). I would gamble but not sure if worth it

I don’t want to turn this into a “project the pick” draft thread, but for the trade value here, I think most GM’s decline.

I think 4, maybe 5 players in this draft have the chance to be superstars, but I think Cade Cunningham’s chances are almost on a tier above the others. If a team gets lucky enough to be able to draft him, they can’t trade him, and gamble he becomes a superstar on the other team. This could cost the GM his job. Unlike the last draft, a bunch of picks to move down from #1 isn’t likely to get it done.

[Texas Chuck]

Some good stuff here. Really like the trades babyjax made of the Spur/Rockets swapping spots and loserX's deal with Toronto/New Orleans.

[BlazersBroncos]

1. Orlando Magic - Cade Cunningham G - Oklahoma State
2. Oklahoma City - Jalen Suggs G - Gonzaga
3. Detroit - Evan Mobley PF/C - USC
4. Cleveland - Jalen Green SG - G League
5. Oklahoma City (From HOU) - Josh Giddey GF - AUS
6. Golden State (From MIN) - Jalen Johnson F - Duke
7. Toronto - Alperen Sengun C - TUR
8. Orlando (From CHI) - Jonathan Kuminga F - G League
9. Sacramento - Scottie Barnes PF - Florida St
10. New Orleans - Corey Kispert F - Gonzaga
11. Charlotte - Davion Mitchell G - Baylor
12. San Antonio - Usman Garuba PF/C - SPA
13. Indiana - Franz Wagner F - Michigan
14. Golden State - Isaiah Jackson C - Kentucky

OKC ball movement doe:

G - Jalen Suggs
G - SGA
F - Josh Giddey
F - Pokuman
C - Horford

[MoneyTalks41890]

1. Orlando Magic - Cade Cunningham G - Oklahoma State
2. Oklahoma City - Jalen Suggs G - Gonzaga
3. Detroit - Evan Mobley PF/C - USC
4. Cleveland - Jalen Green SG - G League
5. Oklahoma City (From HOU) - Josh Giddey GF - AUS
6. Golden State (From MIN) - Jalen Johnson F - Duke
7. Toronto - Alperen Sengun C - TUR
8. Orlando (From CHI) - Jonathan Kuminga F - G League
9. Sacramento - Scottie Barnes PF - Florida St
10. New Orleans - Corey Kispert F - Gonzaga
11. Charlotte - Davion Mitchell G - Baylor
12. San Antonio - Usman Garuba PF/C - SPA
13. Indiana - Franz Wagner F - Michigan
14. Golden State - Isaiah Jackson C - Kentucky

OKC ball movement doe:

G - Jalen Suggs
G - SGA
F - Josh Giddey
F - Pokuman
C - Horford

Inshallah

[NebWolvesFan]

As a Wolves fan, I can't believe Minnesota got the first pick. I really really want to take Mobley, but Cunningham is too good. He's worth needing to figure out when to do with Russell.

1. MIN - Cunningham
2. Magic - Green
3. CLE - Kuminga
4. Raptors - Suggs
5. Thunder - Mobley
6. Detroit - Barnes
7. OKC - Sengun
8. Magic - Giddey
9. Kings - Kispert
10. Pels - Moody
11. Hornets - Jalen Johnson
12. Spurs - Murphy III
13. Pacers - Keon Johnson
14. GS - Davion Mitchell

[Dn4sty]

I feel like OKC backs up the asset truck to move from 3 to 1 in this scenario

I guess Minny would ask for our 2022 FRP pick (unprotected). I would gamble but not sure if worth it

I don’t want to turn this into a “project the pick” draft thread, but for the trade value here, I would say no.

I think 4, maybe 5 players in this draft have the chance to be superstars, but I think Cade Cunningham’s chances are almost on a tier above the others. If a team gets lucky enough to be able to draft him, they can’t trade him, and gamble he becomes a superstar on the other team. This could cost the GM his job. Unlike the last draft, a bunch of picks to move down from #1 isn’t likely to get it done.

I totally understand that take but I think OKC could offer enough to get it done. I’d be willing to include 3 and obviously a significant amount of additional draft capital to hopefully get it done.

[Texas Chuck]

1. Chicago Bulls --- Cade Cunningham
2. Cleveland Cavs -- Trade with OKC -- OKC selects Jalen Suggs, Cleveland receives #5 overall and #7 overall
3. Toronto Raptors -- Evan Mobley
4. Detroit Pistons -- Jalen Green
5. OKC Thunder -- traded to Cleveland -- Jonathan Kuminga selected
6. Orlando Magic -- Jalen Johnson
7. OKC Thunder -- traded to Cleveland -- Scottie Barnes selected
8 Golden State Warriors -- Corey Kispert
9 Sacramento Kings -- Alpernen Sengun
10. New Orleans Pelicans -- James Bouknight
11. Charlotte Hornets -- trade with Memphis. Hornets get Jonas Val, pick #17, Hornets also give up future lotto protected first, Grizzlies select Keon Johnson
12. San Antonio Spurs -- Josh Giddey
13. Indiana Pacers -- Davion Mitchell
14 Golden State Warriors -- trade to Minnesota with Looney/Smailagic for Naz Reid, Jared Culver and 22 and 23 MIN 2nds, Timberwolves select Franz Wagner

[K_chile22]

Lottery results:
1. Cleveland: Cade Cunningham
2. Houston: Evan Mobley ---> to SAS for 2021 SAS 1st (3) + rights to swap 2022 1st
3. San Antonio: Jalen Suggs ---> to HOU, see above
4. Detroit: Jalen Green
5. Orlando: Jonathan Kuminga
6. Oklahoma City: Keon Johnson
7. Golden State (Minnesota): Scottie Barnes
8. Toronto: Alperin Sengun
9. Orlando (Chicago): Jalen Johnson ---> to SAC for 2021 SAC 1st (10) + Jahmius Ramsey + 2022 DET/CHI 2nd (less favorable)
10. Sacramento: James Bouknight ---> to ORL, see above
11. New Orleans: Moses Moody
12. Charlotte: Kai Jones [could see Charlotte trying to trade up to get Sengun, or trade down to draft one Jones/Jackson later]
13. Indiana: Davion Mitchell
14. Golden State: Corey Kispert

San Antonio makes a big move up to try and bring the next great big man, Duncan/Robinson would be the perfect mentors to Mobley.

Houston likes both Mobley and Suggs, so decides that Suggs is a good compliment to Porter Jr. and that they'd like a chance to move up in 2022 (albeit SAS is likely to be much better than HOU).

Orlando, while losing out on the lottery, still walks away with Kuminga, and is able to parlay Jalen Johnson - who is overly redundant with Jonathan Isaac AND Jonathan Kuminga on the roster - to get another asset + one of Bouknight/Moody. I went for Bouknight because I see more potential upside as a star player, but I could see Moody just as well.

Sacramento gets a versatile power forward who is an ideal fit in the modern game if all those flashes are real for fairly minimal cost.

Not sure why Houston lets the Spurs move up at that point of the draft for a swap that will probably not happen.

Yeah, even if you make it the option to swap with the better of Mia/BKN that still doesn't have much value

[MoneyTalks41890]

I guess Minny would ask for our 2022 FRP pick (unprotected). I would gamble but not sure if worth it

I don’t want to turn this into a “project the pick” draft thread, but for the trade value here, I would say no.

I think 4, maybe 5 players in this draft have the chance to be superstars, but I think Cade Cunningham’s chances are almost on a tier above the others. If a team gets lucky enough to be able to draft him, they can’t trade him, and gamble he becomes a superstar on the other team. This could cost the GM his job. Unlike the last draft, a bunch of picks to move down from #1 isn’t likely to get it done.

I totally understand that take but I think OKC could offer enough to get it done. I’d be willing to include 3 and obviously a significant amount of additional draft capital to hopefully get it done.

I think it's possible, but if the price gets too high, then I imagine OKC might be better off trading to get another pick in the lottery. It will be interesting for sure. I definitely expect OKC will move around.

[Texas Chuck]

Lottery results:
1. Cleveland: Cade Cunningham
2. Houston: Evan Mobley ---> to SAS for 2021 SAS 1st (3) + rights to swap 2022 1st
3. San Antonio: Jalen Suggs ---> to HOU, see above
4. Detroit: Jalen Green
5. Orlando: Jonathan Kuminga
6. Oklahoma City: Keon Johnson
7. Golden State (Minnesota): Scottie Barnes
8. Toronto: Alperin Sengun
9. Orlando (Chicago): Jalen Johnson ---> to SAC for 2021 SAC 1st (10) + Jahmius Ramsey + 2022 DET/CHI 2nd (less favorable)
10. Sacramento: James Bouknight ---> to ORL, see above
11. New Orleans: Moses Moody
12. Charlotte: Kai Jones [could see Charlotte trying to trade up to get Sengun, or trade down to draft one Jones/Jackson later]
13. Indiana: Davion Mitchell
14. Golden State: Corey Kispert

San Antonio makes a big move up to try and bring the next great big man, Duncan/Robinson would be the perfect mentors to Mobley.

Houston likes both Mobley and Suggs, so decides that Suggs is a good compliment to Porter Jr. and that they'd like a chance to move up in 2022 (albeit SAS is likely to be much better than HOU).

Orlando, while losing out on the lottery, still walks away with Kuminga, and is able to parlay Jalen Johnson - who is overly redundant with Jonathan Isaac AND Jonathan Kuminga on the roster - to get another asset + one of Bouknight/Moody. I went for Bouknight because I see more potential upside as a star player, but I could see Moody just as well.

Sacramento gets a versatile power forward who is an ideal fit in the modern game if all those flashes are real for fairly minimal cost.

Not sure why Houston lets the Spurs move up at that point of the draft for a swap that will probably not happen.

Yeah, even if you make it the option to swap with the better of Mia/BKN that still doesn't have much value

I mean isn't the idea that the Spurs tell the Rockets who they are moving up for and its not who Houston would take at 2? So this is simply a free high variance asset and a slightly cheaper rookie contract? Sure seems worth doing if the Spurs aren't taking the Rockets guy.

[psman2]

Not sure why Houston lets the Spurs move up at that point of the draft for a swap that will probably not happen.

Yeah, even if you make it the option to swap with the better of Mia/BKN that still doesn't have much value

I mean isn't the idea that the Spurs tell the Rockets who they are moving up for and its not who Houston would take at 2? So this is simply a free high variance asset and a slightly cheaper rookie contract? Sure seems worth doing if the Spurs aren't taking the Rockets guy.

I am with the Rockets posters here. If you value two guys the same, but know the team below you really values one of them more, then I am getting at least a guaranteed 1st out of the deal. The swap value is very marginal here. If the player at 2 takes off and the player at three disappoints, Stone could at least say he got a swap that more than likely won't convey. Yeah. His GM career would be offer and the Rockets would be mocked even more than they are now. You make the team pay in real assets or you stay put.

I am usually about getting whatever value you can, but in this instance I would stick to my guns, especially trading to a team in my own state.

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah, even if you make it the option to swap with the better of Mia/BKN that still doesn't have much value

I mean isn't the idea that the Spurs tell the Rockets who they are moving up for and its not who Houston would take at 2? So this is simply a free high variance asset and a slightly cheaper rookie contract? Sure seems worth doing if the Spurs aren't taking the Rockets guy.

I am with the Rockets posters here. If you value two guys the same, but know the team below you really values one of them more, then I am getting at least a guaranteed 1st out of the deal. The swap value is very marginal here. If the player at 2 takes off and the player at three disappoints, Stone could at least say he got a swap that more than likely won't convey. His GM career would be offer and the Rockets would be mocked even more than they are now. You make the team pay in real assets or you stay put.

I am usually about getting whatever value you can, but in this instance I would stick to my guns, especially trading to a team in my own state.

I understand this. But if the Spurs simply say this is our offer and we will take our chances you don't pick our guy or trade the pick to someone else who will and in fact you don't plan to pick their guy nor do you want to trade away from yours, then scoop up the value.

Unprotected pick swaps from a team almost certain to be in the lottery have real value imo even if you project to be worse.

[K_chile22]

1. ORL
Cade Cunningham
2. HOU
Jalen Suggs
3. OKC
Jalen Green
4. CLE
Evan Mobley
5. DET
Jonathan Kuminga
6. GSW Traded to SAC for Pick no. 9 and 2022 pick swap (top 8 protected)
Scottie Barnes
7. TOR
Alperen Sengun
8. ORL
Franze Wagner
9. SAC -> GSW
Corey Krispert
10. NOP
Moses Moody
11. CHA
Kai Jones
12. SA
Jalen Johnson
13. IND
Josh Giddey
14. GSW
Jared Butler


Tried to be more aggressive with trades but couldn't come up with anything besides SAC trading up to take the second best defender in the draft, GSW trading down to get Krispert who should be ready to play now.

[psman2]

I mean isn't the idea that the Spurs tell the Rockets who they are moving up for and its not who Houston would take at 2? So this is simply a free high variance asset and a slightly cheaper rookie contract? Sure seems worth doing if the Spurs aren't taking the Rockets guy.

I am with the Rockets posters here. If you value two guys the same, but know the team below you really values one of them more, then I am getting at least a guaranteed 1st out of the deal. The swap value is very marginal here. If the player at 2 takes off and the player at three disappoints, Stone could at least say he got a swap that more than likely won't convey. His GM career would be offer and the Rockets would be mocked even more than they are now. You make the team pay in real assets or you stay put.

I am usually about getting whatever value you can, but in this instance I would stick to my guns, especially trading to a team in my own state.

I understand this. But if the Spurs simply say this is our offer and we will take our chances you don't pick our guy or trade the pick to someone else who will and in fact you don't plan to pick their guy nor do you want to trade away from yours, then scoop up the value.

Unprotected pick swaps from a team almost certain to be in the lottery have real value imo even if you project to be worse.

Again I stay put unless the Spurs are willing to meet at least a LP 1st (then top 10, top 8..etc). This goes beyond simply squeaking a little value out and saving a few dollars. You got longtime interstate division division rivals here, a young GM looking to build a rep, and an egotistical owner. If anything I asking more from the Spurs that I would ask from other teams. Yes this doesn't make a lot of sense from a pure vacuum value aspect but that is how I realistically see it unfolding if these teams did have these trade discussions.

[K_chile22]

Not sure why Houston lets the Spurs move up at that point of the draft for a swap that will probably not happen.

Yeah, even if you make it the option to swap with the better of Mia/BKN that still doesn't have much value

I mean isn't the idea that the Spurs tell the Rockets who they are moving up for and its not who Houston would take at 2? So this is simply a free high variance asset and a slightly cheaper rookie contract? Sure seems worth doing if the Spurs aren't taking the Rockets guy.

I took it more as Houston liking both guys, SAS paying for the right to make their decision for them, basically, and securing the guy they like. I am also probably underrating the chance the spurs get worse with DDR likely leaving or just getting older. I'd do it if they could swap the Miami/BKN pick

[Texas Chuck]

Again I stay put unless the Spurs are willing to meet at least a LP 1st (then top 10, top 8..etc). This goes beyond simply squeaking a little value out and saving a few dollars. You got longtime interstate division division rivals here, a young GM looking to build a rep, and an egotistical owner. If anything I asking more from the Spurs that I would ask from other teams. Yes this doesn't make a lot of sense from a pure vacuum value aspect but that is how I realistically see it unfolding if these teams did have these trade discussions.

This is probably more realistic than my approach because people often make irrational decisions based on perception. I thought Houston might still be a data driven organization that wouldn't care how it looked over doing what was best for my own organization.

[psman2]

Again I stay put unless the Spurs are willing to meet at least a LP 1st (then top 10, top 8..etc). This goes beyond simply squeaking a little value out and saving a few dollars. You got longtime interstate division division rivals here, a young GM looking to build a rep, and an egotistical owner. If anything I asking more from the Spurs that I would ask from other teams. Yes this doesn't make a lot of sense from a pure vacuum value aspect but that is how I realistically see it unfolding if these teams did have these trade discussions.

This is probably more realistic than my approach because people often make irrational decisions based on perception. I thought Houston might still be a data driven organization that wouldn't care how it looked over doing what was best for my own organization.

IF Data driven was 100% true then Harden is wearing a 76ers jersey right now more than likely. At the end of the day businesses still make irrational emotion based decisions still, especially in a high profile vanity driven business like owning a nba team.

edit: I could see the Mia/BKN swap option as viable option, with maybe some protections 1-3 for SA and some language that still gets Houston some other value if the swap doesn't convey.

[K_chile22]

Again I stay put unless the Spurs are willing to meet at least a LP 1st (then top 10, top 8..etc). This goes beyond simply squeaking a little value out and saving a few dollars. You got longtime interstate division division rivals here, a young GM looking to build a rep, and an egotistical owner. If anything I asking more from the Spurs that I would ask from other teams. Yes this doesn't make a lot of sense from a pure vacuum value aspect but that is how I realistically see it unfolding if these teams did have these trade discussions.

This is probably more realistic than my approach because people often make irrational decisions based on perception. I thought Houston might still be a data driven organization that wouldn't care how it looked over doing what was best for my own organization.

IF Data driven was 100% true then Harden is wearing a 76ers jersey right now more than likely. At the end of the day businesses still make irrational emotion based decisions still, especially in a high profile vanity driven business like owning a nba team.

Ehh idk about this one, the emotional decision would be get Ben simmons and try to still be good. bottoming out and getting as many picks as possible is probably the better data driven result but has way worse optics, which is the opposite of what you are saying