[Project] Top 5 single season peaks by franchises: The Lakers

Odinn21 · Post #81 » by **Odinn21** » Tue May 25, 2021 12:59 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:Yeah

I'd be glad if you update your ballot post accordingly. Cheers. :beer:

This one needed a tiebreaker to decide the #1.
I expected a very tight race for the Lakers. Even then I was surprised to see only 3 point gap between 100+ point tallies. Now, Shaq stayed as #1 with tiebreaker. Awesome race for the top spot.

Djoker · Post #82 » by **Djoker** » Tue May 25, 2021 4:45 am

I missed this one but my vote would have been:

1. 1976-1977 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. 1999-2000 Shaquille O'Neal

I posted a lot about Kareem vs. Shaq before and I just see Kareem as a bit better. He was more efficient, faced tough competition and just didn't have any weaknesses. Kareem had great motor, could defend P&R, could hit free throws... Shaq had some weaknesses teams could exploit while Kareem had virtually none. It's very very close though.

3. 1986-1987 Magic Johnson
4. 2008-2009 Kobe Bryant

I put Magic over Kobe. All metrics show him as being a GOAT-tier offensive player and this season was his peak where he even scored at a pretty crazy clip.

5. 2019-2020 Lebron James

Lebron's RS just wasn't that great and the competition was unimpressive. I could see him over Kobe but I could also see AD, Wilt and West cracking the list over Lebron too. I don't think a 35-year old Lebron is that good at that stage of his career to seriously compare him to pantheon players like Shaq/Kareem/Magic at their absolute peaks. Lebron's championship experience and leadership make me put him over AD but like a few people said they were basically 1a/1b.

Odinn21 · Post #83 » by **Odinn21** » Tue May 25, 2021 5:04 am

Odinn21 wrote:
LukaTheGOAT wrote:...

I've found out NBA.com's tracked possession numbers to be more accurate and precise. NBA.com does not provide on/off numbers but there's a simple way to calculate it.

I made a mistake about available numbers on NBA.com and wanted to correct it.

NBA.com has on/off swing numbers under their On/Off > Summary tab.
https://on.nba.com/2TfeHoi
But it only goes back to 2007-08. There's a need for manual calculation before 2007-08.

Strepbacter · Post #84 » by **Strepbacter** » Tue May 25, 2021 11:27 pm

Lmao @ Kobe not getting at least serious consideration for top five. What a joke.

HeartBreakKid · Post #85 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Tue May 25, 2021 11:56 pm

Strepbacter wrote:Lmao @ Kobe not getting at least serious consideration for top five. What a joke.

How didn't he get serious consideration? He got a ton of honorable mentions as well as some votes.

And why is it a joke that there are 5 Lakers better than him?

Seems like you're just mad that Kobe Bryant didn't make it. I'll buy you a new Kobe poster and you can sleep it off.

Strepbacter · Post #86 » by **Strepbacter** » Wed May 26, 2021 12:06 am

Honorable mentions and "some" votes? Heh. He's easily in the top five. Cute joke tho.

HeartBreakKid · Post #87 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Wed May 26, 2021 12:13 am

Strepbacter wrote:Honorable mentions and "some" votes? Heh. He's easily in the top five. Cute joke tho.

Why are you saying "easily" top 5 when you don't know anything about half of the players even being discussed? I'm guessing you're going to go on some tangent about how some all time Laker players played against 5'4 plumbers or something. Yeah, we got it, you know a lot about these players I bet.

But thanks for exposing yourself. You tried using soft language saying "Kobe didn't get serious consideration for top 5" - but you're really mad that he didn't MAKE the top 5. You just didn't want to look like a stan.

At least be straight forward next time instead of tip toeing around it.

Strepbacter · Post #88 » by **Strepbacter** » Wed May 26, 2021 12:21 am

I know Bryant is comfortably in the top five, but you keep telling yourself that.

70sFan · Post #89 » by **70sFan** » Wed May 26, 2021 7:00 am

Strepbacter wrote:Honorable mentions and "some" votes? Heh. He's easily in the top five. Cute joke tho.

It's by far the most stacked franchise in history. You can argue that he'd make your list, but acting like he's "easily" top five is silly. We didn't find a place to Wilt, Mikan and Baylor either - all of them were absolutely amazing. Especially Mikan peaked at ridiculous level.

Dutchball97 · Post #90 » by **Dutchball97** » Wed May 26, 2021 7:17 am

Strepbacter wrote:I know Bryant is comfortably in the top five, but you keep telling yourself that.

So you know but you're not willing to share the reason for Kobe being top 5?

The people not voting for Kobe gave their arguments so maybe you can too? Or do you just want others to believe your fantasy because you say so?

Strepbacter · Post #91 » by **Strepbacter** » Wed May 26, 2021 1:31 pm

70sFan wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:Honorable mentions and "some" votes? Heh. He's easily in the top five. Cute joke tho.

It's by far the most stacked franchise in history. You can argue that he'd make your list, but acting like he's "easily" top five is silly. We didn't find a place to Wilt, Mikan and Baylor either - all of them were absolutely amazing. Especially Mikan peaked at ridiculous level.

There's nothing silly about it. Guy was by far the best player on one of the best teams of all-time and the voting doesn't even have remotely close to the top five. It's absurd. And none of the guys you mentioned were as amazing as peak Bryant, bit nice try.

Strepbacter · Post #92 » by **Strepbacter** » Wed May 26, 2021 1:33 pm

Dutchball97 wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:I know Bryant is comfortably in the top five, but you keep telling yourself that.

So you know but you're not willing to share the reason for Kobe being top 5?

The people not voting for Kobe gave their arguments so maybe you can too? Or do you just want others to believe your fantasy because you say so?

The fact that you think it's "fantastical" to have Bryant in the top five says it all. Classic PC board.

Jaivl · Post #93 » by **Jaivl** » Wed May 26, 2021 1:36 pm

The second best SG ever not being on the top 5 peaks only speaks to the greatness of the Lakers, not the other way around.

Dutchball97 · Post #94 » by **Dutchball97** » Wed May 26, 2021 1:41 pm

Strepbacter wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:I know Bryant is comfortably in the top five, but you keep telling yourself that.

So you know but you're not willing to share the reason for Kobe being top 5?

The people not voting for Kobe gave their arguments so maybe you can too? Or do you just want others to believe your fantasy because you say so?

The fact that you think it's "fantastical" to have Bryant in the top five says it all. Classic PC board.

I didn't say that. I had Kobe 6th and it wasn't an easy choice to have Bron and West ahead of him so I definitely don't think it's weird to have him in the top 5.

The thing is that you are the one that claims it is fantastical to NOT have Kobe in your top 5. I'd like to know your arguments for that but it doesn't seem like you're interested in anything more than dismissive one liners.

Narigo · Post #95 » by **Narigo** » Wed May 26, 2021 3:18 pm

I dont see how anyone would rank 2020 LeBron over peak Kareem and Shaq.
Kareem was clearly the better player than peak Walton by a decent margin in the regular season and the playoffs. LeBron In was clearly worse than Giannis in the RS. It didnt take until the playoffs for LeBron to pass him

70sFan · Post #96 » by **70sFan** » Wed May 26, 2021 4:19 pm

Strepbacter wrote:
70sFan wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:Honorable mentions and "some" votes? Heh. He's easily in the top five. Cute joke tho.

It's by far the most stacked franchise in history. You can argue that he'd make your list, but acting like he's "easily" top five is silly. We didn't find a place to Wilt, Mikan and Baylor either - all of them were absolutely amazing. Especially Mikan peaked at ridiculous level.

There's nothing silly about it. Guy was by far the best player on one of the best teams of all-time and the voting doesn't even have remotely close to the top five. It's absurd. And none of the guys you mentioned were as amazing as peak Bryant, bit nice try.

I'd argue that Mikan peaked clearly higher than Bryant and he led better teams than him to multiple titles.

Strepbacter · Post #97 » by **Strepbacter** » Wed May 26, 2021 4:53 pm

70sFan wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:
70sFan wrote:It's by far the most stacked franchise in history. You can argue that he'd make your list, but acting like he's "easily" top five is silly. We didn't find a place to Wilt, Mikan and Baylor either - all of them were absolutely amazing. Especially Mikan peaked at ridiculous level.

There's nothing silly about it. Guy was by far the best player on one of the best teams of all-time and the voting doesn't even have remotely close to the top five. It's absurd. And none of the guys you mentioned were as amazing as peak Bryant, bit nice try.

I'd argue that Mikan peaked clearly higher than Bryant and he led better teams than him to multiple titles.

Yeah, it's "silly" to suggest Bryant should be easily in the top five, but it's not silly to say that Mikan was clearly superior.

You can't even keep up with your own standards.

70sFan · Post #98 » by **70sFan** » Wed May 26, 2021 5:10 pm

Strepbacter wrote:
70sFan wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:
There's nothing silly about it. Guy was by far the best player on one of the best teams of all-time and the voting doesn't even have remotely close to the top five. It's absurd. And none of the guys you mentioned were as amazing as peak Bryant, bit nice try.

I'd argue that Mikan peaked clearly higher than Bryant and he led better teams than him to multiple titles.

Yeah, it's "silly" to suggest Bryant should be easily in the top five, but it's not silly to say that Mikan was clearly superior.

You can't even keep up with your own standards.

Do you even care about anything else than Kobe ranking in multiple threads? Without adjusting for era differences, Mikan was more dominant than Kobe. It's not up to debate.

falcolombardi · Post #99 » by **falcolombardi** » Wed May 26, 2021 5:18 pm

70sFan wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:
70sFan wrote:I'd argue that Mikan peaked clearly higher than Bryant and he led better teams than him to multiple titles.

Yeah, it's "silly" to suggest Bryant should be easily in the top five, but it's not silly to say that Mikan was clearly superior.

You can't even keep up with your own standards.

Do you even care about anything else than Kobe ranking in multiple threads? Without adjusting for era differences, Mikan was more dominant than Kobe. It's not up to debate.

if we didnt adjust for era mikan probably should be #1 to be honest, he was arguably more above his competition than even kareem

Strepbacter · Post #100 » by **Strepbacter** » Wed May 26, 2021 5:22 pm

Without adjusting for era differences, Mikan is going to have a strong case against plenty of guys who are generally regarded as having better peaks, but most people are going to take into account era, so exactly how it is indisputable that he peaked higher? Unless you believe the era argument is completely bunk?

Try getting your nonsense straight before worrying about what threads I post in.