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GTR11 wrote:Monarchy Oligarchy to be simplistic. MDB pointed it right. This country bent to losers of the Civil War.
gigantes wrote:GTR11 wrote:Monarchy Oligarchy to be simplistic. MDB pointed it right. This country bent to losers of the Civil War.
FTFY, and you're exactly right.
The North won the war itself, but the South won the narrative of the post-war.
This country had a real chance to join the rest of the first world in terms of integration and forming a unified culture, and instead the scoundrels, racists and capitalist opportunists snuck the opportunity away over time. :/
GTR11 wrote:?s=20
I'm not sure what else to say. They spent millions of dollars for nothing and forced Clinton among few others to testify. They've been attacked by mob right there at work and it's just tourists passing by?
This is a meta problem that liberals, leftists, and the Democratic party especially have a huge problem with. We don't understand Republicans because they do not think or behave like we do on a very fundamental level. It's why we've been blindsided by them for decades, and it puts us at a strategic disadvantage. Uncovering this mystery is necessary for future electoral success and the survival of our Republic as we know it.
One of the earliest problems electorally is that Republican policy is so goddamned evil voters literally do not believe anyone could actually endorse it, and therefore pass it off as partisan spin. That alone is a challenging issue, but the real problem goes deeper.
It's a pastime of liberal pundits to point out that the pro-life governor of some flyover state also supports the death penalty and so on and so forth. We get incredulous and infuriated at their blatant hypocrisy. We call them stupid, which really sets them off and fuels a lifetime of hatred for liberals, leftists, and Democrats in the hearts of each and every conservative. However, they don't see themselves that way. They don't think of themselves as self-serving hypocrites or idiots who can't keep their facts straight long enough to form a cogent argument in continuity with the rest of their ideology. We try to describe this as "cognitive dissonance" or other give other armchair diagnosis that doesn't fully capture what's going on. I'd like to give them more credit than that. They clearly believe in something, and in that context their words and actions would make sense, but it's not what they're self-advertising when you ask what they believe in.
I hypothesize that Republicans (and conservatives in general) are not fully honest with themselves or others about what they believe, yet they possess a fully-fleshed out belief system that is self-supporting based on unspoken assumptions that they cannot articulate except through euphemism.
And I think it works like this... Start with two core assumptions:
Hierarchy is natural, inevitable, and desirable.
We live in a zero-sum world.
Everyone has a spot on the big food pyramid of the socio-political hierarchy. Good, smart, and hardworking people of merit make their way to the top. Bad, dumb, and lazy people go to the bottom. For convenience sake, this hierarchy is color-coded. In a zero-sum world, everyone who gets to the top has to knock someone down a rung to make room.
The great thing about this system is that it just... works. You don't have to think about it. All else being equal, this is humanity's natural state. It plays nicely with the Just World fallacy. In this world there are no problems to be solved, merely endured. Is poverty a problem? Don't be poor. Is there a pandemic sweeping the world? Don't be unhealthy, and you won't end up on a ventilator. It's not anyone else's responsibility to fix your problems for you.
That's where liberals come in. Those damn bastard liberals started mucking things up trying fix problems, taking people on the bottom of the pyramid and putting them on the top. That's not fair to conservatives! It's messing with the natural order of things! (One time they did it with a black president and everyone lost their goddamn minds.) This is the root and shoot of all evil, according to conservatives.
Forget climate change, inequality, racism, healthcare, etc. Liberals are a problem to be solved. (Leftists get lumped in there too.) They're broken people. Moral failures. They've been duped into believing Marxist propaganda and are controlled by "Globalists" (ie: the Jews). Their voters are illegitimate because they've either fools, dead people not yet purged from the rolls, bussed in illegal immigrants, or some other fabrication. Their leaders are likewise illegitimate, which means it's okay to break the rules in order to oppose them. It's a moral imperative to do so, in fact.
When conservatives are in charge (like they're supposed to be), their role isn't to fix problems. Government is supposed to enforce the hierarchy by punishing those who defy it. I've spoke elsewhere on how that intersects with the abortion debate. When conservatives aren't in power their job isn't to compromise and keep the wheels of government turning as the loyal opposition, it's to get back in control at any cost. That's because conservatives alone are legitimate and moral leaders, and anything they do or say is likewise legitimate and moral.
The final takeaway is this: Conservatives are not failed liberals. It's not like they left their empathy in their other jeans this morning, or haven't had the issues explained properly to them yet. They aren't interested in creating a better society that is more fair, just, and equitable because they don't believe in one. They want things to go back to "normal," a vegetative state where nothing ever happens and everyone has their place, briefly punctuated by righteous state-sponsored anger against some heretical deviant.
A lot of these things are borrowed observations that I'm trying to patch together, but I'd be remiss not to plug The Alt-Right Playbook series for its fantastic work. It's also difficult to verify because it's not like any conservative would ever actually validate what I'm saying out of simple self interest, and also because they typically have above average self awareness relative to common root vegetables. However I think if you plug this thinking in to the next incredulous thing your favorite high profile conservative villain says or does, it might make a little more sense.
GTR11 wrote:?s=20
If you guys think propaganda won't be used here, think again. Kyrie is antivax poster child. GOP, Russia etc using him to spread massive chaos.
Rich Rane wrote:GTR11 wrote:?s=20
If you guys think propaganda won't be used here, think again. Kyrie is antivax poster child. GOP, Russia etc using him to spread massive chaos.
The "voiceless".
MrDollarBills wrote:Rich Rane wrote:GTR11 wrote:?s=20
If you guys think propaganda won't be used here, think again. Kyrie is antivax poster child. GOP, Russia etc using him to spread massive chaos.
The "voiceless".
Thankfully, he's been radio silent. I could not fathom how dangerous Kyrie would be if he actually backed up that empty statement. I literally spent an hour today breaking down how vaccines work to one of my oldest friends who simply refuses to get vaccinated...and it was a complete waste of time.
I can imagine how KD feels right now.
The versatility of mRNA and the ability of one’s body to create therapeutic proteins from synthetic mRNA shows tremendous potential in the fight against viruses, cancers, and even genetic and rare diseases with the possibility of repairing or replacing broken or deficient proteins that cause such diseases.
GTR11 wrote:?s=20The versatility of mRNA and the ability of one’s body to create therapeutic proteins from synthetic mRNA shows tremendous potential in the fight against viruses, cancers, and even genetic and rare diseases with the possibility of repairing or replacing broken or deficient proteins that cause such diseases.
If it's going to work out... game changer for sure.
MrDollarBills wrote:GTR11 wrote:?s=20
I'm not sure what else to say. They spent millions of dollars for nothing and forced Clinton among few others to testify. They've been attacked by mob right there at work and it's just tourists passing by?
The issue is that Democrats, particularly the older ones like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, continue to attempt to negotiate with literal traitors in good faith instead of doing what needs to be done, appointing a special prosecutor to do a full scale investigation into the role every single Congressperson played in January 6th's insurrection.
Rep. Ayanna Presley had the panic buttons forcibly ripped out from her office a day before the attack happened. That is evidence enough to suggest that this was a premediated event planned from the inside and someone was hoping that a few people would be killed in order to prevent the certification of the vote.
I wouldn't be sitting around trying to be bipartisan and negotiate with people who tried to get me killed.
GTR11 wrote:Also Y'all pretty much seen how ticket prices differentiate right now.
Tsai -> socialist
Dolan -> Republican. Pro Trump who donated into his funds multiple times.
Prokorov wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:GTR11 wrote:?s=20
I'm not sure what else to say. They spent millions of dollars for nothing and forced Clinton among few others to testify. They've been attacked by mob right there at work and it's just tourists passing by?
The issue is that Democrats, particularly the older ones like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, continue to attempt to negotiate with literal traitors in good faith instead of doing what needs to be done, appointing a special prosecutor to do a full scale investigation into the role every single Congressperson played in January 6th's insurrection.
Rep. Ayanna Presley had the panic buttons forcibly ripped out from her office a day before the attack happened. That is evidence enough to suggest that this was a premediated event planned from the inside and someone was hoping that a few people would be killed in order to prevent the certification of the vote.
I wouldn't be sitting around trying to be bipartisan and negotiate with people who tried to get me killed.
it just infuriates me that the Jan 6th was covered like it was an episode of like keeping up with the kardasians... like oh look this is happening. haha. what loons. carry on.
Like this was some wore torn 3rd world **** where you have armed citizens attacking the capital while congress is in session in a planned coordinated event. To me this is up there with 9-11 (not as far as lives lost obviously) but as far as a coordinated attack on our democracy and country.
EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. who entered the building that day should be tried for TREASON and aggressively pursue the maximum pumishment. i dont care if they were the nicest person ever with no record who just got caught up in some trump nonsense. you dont storm the capital. period.
anyone standing in the way of an investigation obviously had some ties to it.
this is a dark dark time for our county
Prokorov wrote:GTR11 wrote:Also Y'all pretty much seen how ticket prices differentiate right now.
Tsai -> socialist
Dolan -> Republican. Pro Trump who donated into his funds multiple times.
The knicks pries are higher because they have a more in demand product. the nets are hot and better but the knicks still have 100 times the interest.
i try not to dig to deep on tsai, everytime i do i hate the dude more.
GTR11 wrote:Prokorov wrote:GTR11 wrote:Also Y'all pretty much seen how ticket prices differentiate right now.
Tsai -> socialist
Dolan -> Republican. Pro Trump who donated into his funds multiple times.
The knicks pries are higher because they have a more in demand product. the nets are hot and better but the knicks still have 100 times the interest.
i try not to dig to deep on tsai, everytime i do i hate the dude more.
I just can't
Just wondering, what exactly puss you off about Tsai ( this will good one ).
Prokorov wrote:GTR11 wrote:Prokorov wrote:
The knicks pries are higher because they have a more in demand product. the nets are hot and better but the knicks still have 100 times the interest.
i try not to dig to deep on tsai, everytime i do i hate the dude more.
I just can't
Just wondering, what exactly puss you off about Tsai ( this will good one ).
-Shady AF Alibaba stuff
-General support of communism and poor treatment of humans
-Backed china on the morey thing, strong armed the NBA
GTR11 wrote:Prokorov wrote:GTR11 wrote:
I just can't
Just wondering, what exactly puss you off about Tsai ( this will good one ).
-Shady AF Alibaba stuff
-General support of communism and poor treatment of humans
-Backed china on the morey thing, strong armed the NBA
Damn Prok at least compare him to others before saying your nonsense. All this crap you claim to be valid is pure bs.
As for Morey, that piece of trash didn't get punishment he should've got for years of his sh** doings. That ego maniac is no better than Sterling. He's a sole reason why this sh** show happening in Philly.
Communism won worst enemy that world has ever seen. Both China and Russia paid huge price for us today to be free. Also if you didn't notice we use a lot of communism stuff here ourselves. Union, Social security etc that provide regular folk equal opportunity and prevent oligarchy to create slavery we had.
Educate yourself please.
