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Post#1401 » by stillgotgame » Thu May 27, 2021 3:22 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
midranger wrote:“No one guy is above the franchise.”

Also, Gute is one guy.


I don't see what Gute did as anything wrong here. Rodgers signed a deal with a couple option years. That's on him. What Gute did was protect the organization from declining play (Rodgers was declining), age, and injury. Rodgers played well, the Packers want him back, and all Rodgers has to do is show up.

As for what happens if Gute is fired and Rodgers comes back, I'll hope for the best this season. But with the impending cap apocalypse they had better win it all.


Gute probably doesn't understand what he did wrong either. Now if he were playing GM in a video game he didn't so anything wrong. Did a great job if that was the setting.

Maybe you and Gute can play video games together after he gets canned. :lol:

Simply put, Rodgers doesn't want to be a placeholder for a year. Gute rolled a bunch of cap money to 2022 specifically because he planned on dumping Rodgers then, planning that Love would be ready. On paper this sounds nice. Judging by the 5 receivers not showing up this week it looks like a few people get it though.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Schedule Out 5/12 

Post#1402 » by ReasonablySober » Thu May 27, 2021 3:26 pm

stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
midranger wrote:“No one guy is above the franchise.”

Also, Gute is one guy.


I don't see what Gute did as anything wrong here. Rodgers signed a deal with a couple option years. That's on him. What Gute did was protect the organization from declining play (Rodgers was declining), age, and injury. Rodgers played well, the Packers want him back, and all Rodgers has to do is show up.

As for what happens if Gute is fired and Rodgers comes back, I'll hope for the best this season. But with the impending cap apocalypse they had better win it all.


Gute probably doesn't understand what he did wrong either. Now if he were playing GM in a video game he didn't so anything wrong. Did a great job if that was the setting.

Maybe you and Gute can play video games together after he gets canned. :lol:

Simply put, Rodgers doesn't want to be a placeholder for a year. Gute rolled bunch of cap money to 2022 specifically because he planned on dumping Rodgers then, planning that Love would be ready. On paper this sounds nice. Judging by the 5 receivers not showing up this week it looks like a few people get it though.


Again, for the people in the back, a team option doesn't mean they're moving on. If Giannis had a team option in year five of his contract would you assume that the Bucks were looking to push him out? FFS, given the public comments by the organization it's a veritable lock that they would bring him back in '22 if he was still playing at such a high level.
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Post#1403 » by Reddeye » Thu May 27, 2021 3:36 pm

stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
midranger wrote:“No one guy is above the franchise.”

Also, Gute is one guy.


I don't see what Gute did as anything wrong here. Rodgers signed a deal with a couple option years. That's on him. What Gute did was protect the organization from declining play (Rodgers was declining), age, and injury. Rodgers played well, the Packers want him back, and all Rodgers has to do is show up.

As for what happens if Gute is fired and Rodgers comes back, I'll hope for the best this season. But with the impending cap apocalypse they had better win it all.


Gute probably doesn't understand what he did wrong either. Now if he were playing GM in a video game he didn't so anything wrong. Did a great job if that was the setting.

Maybe you and Gute can play video games together after he gets canned.

Simply put, Rodgers doesn't want to be a placeholder for a year. Gute rolled a bunch of cap money to 2022 specifically because he planned on dumping Rodgers then, planning that Love would be ready. On paper this sounds nice. Judging by the 5 receivers not showing up this week it looks like a few people get it though.
And I thought they pushed the money into next year to try and make another run at it this year. So I was wrong thinking that?

Also I assumed the new contract they offered him would guarantee he would be there beyond this season.

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Post#1404 » by midranger » Thu May 27, 2021 3:40 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
I don't see what Gute did as anything wrong here. Rodgers signed a deal with a couple option years. That's on him. What Gute did was protect the organization from declining play (Rodgers was declining), age, and injury. Rodgers played well, the Packers want him back, and all Rodgers has to do is show up.

As for what happens if Gute is fired and Rodgers comes back, I'll hope for the best this season. But with the impending cap apocalypse they had better win it all.


Gute probably doesn't understand what he did wrong either. Now if he were playing GM in a video game he didn't so anything wrong. Did a great job if that was the setting.

Maybe you and Gute can play video games together after he gets canned. :lol:

Simply put, Rodgers doesn't want to be a placeholder for a year. Gute rolled bunch of cap money to 2022 specifically because he planned on dumping Rodgers then, planning that Love would be ready. On paper this sounds nice. Judging by the 5 receivers not showing up this week it looks like a few people get it though.


Again, for the people in the back, a team option doesn't mean they're moving on. If Giannis had a team option in year five of his contract would you assume that the Bucks were looking to push him out? FFS, given the public comments by the organization it's a veritable lock that they would bring him back in '22 if he was still playing at such a high level.

Obviously, nba and nfl contracts and cba’s couldn’t be more different. Comparing them is somewhat futile.

The team wanted an out. Good for them. Now, Rodgers wants an out. He’s using the MVP option.

If he played last year like he did in 2018, none of this even matters. The only reason why this is happening is because, as Rodgers said, he threw the wrench in their succession plan.

He felt he was being shoved out the door after giving his entire HOF career to, truthfully, a somewhat inept franchise.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Schedule Out 5/12 

Post#1405 » by stillgotgame » Thu May 27, 2021 3:45 pm

Reddeye wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
I don't see what Gute did as anything wrong here. Rodgers signed a deal with a couple option years. That's on him. What Gute did was protect the organization from declining play (Rodgers was declining), age, and injury. Rodgers played well, the Packers want him back, and all Rodgers has to do is show up.

As for what happens if Gute is fired and Rodgers comes back, I'll hope for the best this season. But with the impending cap apocalypse they had better win it all.


Gute probably doesn't understand what he did wrong either. Now if he were playing GM in a video game he didn't so anything wrong. Did a great job if that was the setting.

Maybe you and Gute can play video games together after he gets canned.

Simply put, Rodgers doesn't want to be a placeholder for a year. Gute rolled a bunch of cap money to 2022 specifically because he planned on dumping Rodgers then, planning that Love would be ready. On paper this sounds nice. Judging by the 5 receivers not showing up this week it looks like a few people get it though.
And I thought they pushed the money into next year to try and make another run at it this year. So I was wrong thinking that?

Also I assumed the new contract they offered him would guarantee he would be there beyond this season.

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I'm sure the real debate now is how long the guarantee is.

Andrew Brandt did a great job of laying this all out 3 weeks ago in an article for SI. Great read. He does bash Gute's people skills. Pretty odd that he hits him twice, but I guess he does it to make a point.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/05/04/business-of-football-aaron-rodgers-jordan-love-brett-favre-parallel

"We are now one year into the Rodgers-Love pairing, and like the Favre-Rodgers pairing, it has needed to be managed to keep Aaron happy and engaged while knowing there is an endpoint to come in his time at Green Bay. My sense is Aaron’s camp feels strongly that the situation has not been treated with the care and respect he deserves as someone playing the way he has while his future job security was removed.

Aaron was a team player about the Love pick over the past year, at least publicly, but it sounds like that acquiescence has ended. He understands the reality that I have noted often: Aaron is the MVP of the NFL while also serving as a placeholder quarterback for the Packers, keeping the seat warm for Love. The only question about when the turnover happens, as the question was 15 years ago, is when.

The Love pick a year ago started the clock on an expiration date for Rodgers and the Packers, now complicated by his playing at an MVP level. My sense is he was never going to be replaced in 2021. I’ve always thought that Love would sit for two years, with a transfer date of 2022. And that has likely been the Packers’ plan: to play the three-time MVP this season while preparing Love for the role next year. Rodgers has now thrown a wrench into those plans. He wants to control the timeline, not let the Packers control it. It is a fascinating struggle for power and control of “the plan.”

The news of Aaron’s unhappiness is not shocking. What exactly did the Packers think his reaction would be, whether last year or this year?

To be clear, I don’t subscribe to the narrative that the Packers have not “helped” Rodgers on the personnel side. The Packers have a top-five offensive line, a top 10 running back, maybe the league’s top receiver and their tight end led the league in touchdowns for the position. I know a new standard was set with Tom Brady importing veteran personnel to Tampa, but we all know the Packers are never going to allow that. To me, however, that does not appear to be the real issue with Aaron. Rather, it is a more personal issue about open and honest communication from team management, especially the general manager.

Having been in that building for 10 years, I know firsthand how the Packers operate. There is no owner: There is a president, an executive committee and a board of directors, and they all defer to the general manager on football issues. It has always been that way since before I got there in 1999. And general manager Brian Gutekunst is a disciple of Ted Thompson, someone with elite evaluation skills but deficiencies in communication and expression. The personnel staff at the Packers have always lived and breathed scouting and are excellent at what they do, but there is some lacking in people skills. Moreover, there does not appear to be anyone in the Packers’ front office who is a point person for Rodgers, someone he can trust on issues far beyond football."
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Post#1406 » by midranger » Thu May 27, 2021 3:49 pm

To add, I don’t give two **** about Rodgers personally. He seems like a bit of a duck and is being very precious about this whole thing. The guys seem to have his back though, so he likely isn’t all wrong in this situation.

Regardless, I just think it’s really hard to put together a team that contends for the superbowl. It takes an insane amount of luck and an elite QB. Easy to assume it’ll just work out after what we’ve seen the past 30 years, but I really doubt it. I’d much rather take 1-2 more runs at it with a new GM, than immediately enter a tear down phase with Gute.
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Post#1407 » by ReasonablySober » Thu May 27, 2021 3:50 pm

midranger wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
Gute probably doesn't understand what he did wrong either. Now if he were playing GM in a video game he didn't so anything wrong. Did a great job if that was the setting.

Maybe you and Gute can play video games together after he gets canned. :lol:

Simply put, Rodgers doesn't want to be a placeholder for a year. Gute rolled bunch of cap money to 2022 specifically because he planned on dumping Rodgers then, planning that Love would be ready. On paper this sounds nice. Judging by the 5 receivers not showing up this week it looks like a few people get it though.


Again, for the people in the back, a team option doesn't mean they're moving on. If Giannis had a team option in year five of his contract would you assume that the Bucks were looking to push him out? FFS, given the public comments by the organization it's a veritable lock that they would bring him back in '22 if he was still playing at such a high level.

Obviously, nba and nfl contracts and cba’s couldn’t be more different. Comparing them is somewhat futile.

The team wanted an out. Good for them. Now, Rodgers wants an out. He’s using the MVP option.

If he played last year like he did in 2018, none of this even matters. The only reason why this is happening is because, as Rodgers said, he threw the wrench in their succession plan.

He felt he was being shoved out the door after giving his entire HOF career to, truthfully, a somewhat inept franchise.


You can say NBA contracts and NFL contracts couldn't be more different, but in this case they're functionally identical. Rodgers signed a deal that, in effect, gives the Packers team options. The team wanted an out if Rodgers didn't play well or if he got hurt. Rodgers played well, and the team would like to exercise its option. Would anyone blame the Packers for moving on if his play all of the sudden fell off a cliff in '22? Everyone would be praising the organization for having the forethought in drafting a replacement and giving themselves an out in Rodgers deal.

Rodgers can be mad all he wants. But he's the one who signed the deal. In the Packers eyes he's simply played up to his contract, the one he signed that made him the highest paid player in the league.
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Post#1408 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu May 27, 2021 3:50 pm

Gute/Murphy are guilty of one of two things.

A. They didn't see this reaction coming from Aaron before drafting Love. I'm not saying Aaron is right for his reaction but its not exactly surprising considering his personality. If they didn't see this as a possibility they were dumb.

B. If they did see this as a possibility then they should have known what their plan was if he asked out. If that plan was 'hes under contract well dig our heels in and make him play' that was also a mistake considering Aaron is a stubborn and petty dude. Basically if they weren't comfortable trading Rodgers if he got mad at the pick then they shouldn't have made the pick.

It's not about what or who is right or wrong more about understanding the personality involved and planning accordingly.

It's like if you were married to a woman for 15 years and you know she's the super jelouous type. If you hire a hot and flirty assistant and your wife gets mad you can't act surprised even if you didn't plan to bang her and technically didn't do anything wrong.

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Post#1409 » by ReasonablySober » Thu May 27, 2021 3:53 pm

stillgotgame wrote:
Reddeye wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
Gute probably doesn't understand what he did wrong either. Now if he were playing GM in a video game he didn't so anything wrong. Did a great job if that was the setting.

Maybe you and Gute can play video games together after he gets canned.

Simply put, Rodgers doesn't want to be a placeholder for a year. Gute rolled a bunch of cap money to 2022 specifically because he planned on dumping Rodgers then, planning that Love would be ready. On paper this sounds nice. Judging by the 5 receivers not showing up this week it looks like a few people get it though.
And I thought they pushed the money into next year to try and make another run at it this year. So I was wrong thinking that?

Also I assumed the new contract they offered him would guarantee he would be there beyond this season.

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I'm sure the real debate now is how long the guarantee is.

Andrew Brandt did a great job of laying this all out 3 weeks ago in an article for SI. Great read. He does bash Gute's people skills. Pretty odd that he hits him twice, but I guess he does it to make a point.


LOL, this again?

And general manager Brian Gutekunst is a disciple of Ted Thompson, someone with elite evaluation skills but deficiencies in communication and expression. The personnel staff at the Packers have always lived and breathed scouting and are excellent at what they do, but there is some lacking in people skills.


"some lacking in people skills". Yea, Andrew straight up KILLED Gute.
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Post#1410 » by midranger » Thu May 27, 2021 3:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Would anyone blame the Packers for moving on if his play all of the sudden fell off a cliff in '22? Everyone would be praising the organization for having the forethought in drafting a replacement and giving themselves an out in Rodgers deal.

But, you see, this didn’t happen. The exact opposite happened. They instead, alienated the league MVP.

Rodgers called their bluff and won.

So rather than praise, they deserve scorn.
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Post#1411 » by stillgotgame » Thu May 27, 2021 3:58 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
Reddeye wrote:And I thought they pushed the money into next year to try and make another run at it this year. So I was wrong thinking that?

Also I assumed the new contract they offered him would guarantee he would be there beyond this season.

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I'm sure the real debate now is how long the guarantee is.

Andrew Brandt did a great job of laying this all out 3 weeks ago in an article for SI. Great read. He does bash Gute's people skills. Pretty odd that he hits him twice, but I guess he does it to make a point.


LOL, this again?

And general manager Brian Gutekunst is a disciple of Ted Thompson, someone with elite evaluation skills but deficiencies in communication and expression. The personnel staff at the Packers have always lived and breathed scouting and are excellent at what they do, but there is some lacking in people skills.


"some lacking in people skills". Yea, Andrew straight up KILLED Gute.


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Post#1412 » by ReasonablySober » Thu May 27, 2021 4:02 pm

midranger wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Would anyone blame the Packers for moving on if his play all of the sudden fell off a cliff in '22? Everyone would be praising the organization for having the forethought in drafting a replacement and giving themselves an out in Rodgers deal.

But, you see, this didn’t happen. The exact opposite happened. They instead, alienated the league MVP.

Rodgers called their bluff and won.

So rather than praise, they deserve scorn.


Called what bluff? Where is the bluff? He's got a base salary of $25 million, $11 million bonus, and a cap hit of almost $40 million. And the Packers still want him back!
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Post#1413 » by stillgotgame » Thu May 27, 2021 4:09 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
midranger wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Would anyone blame the Packers for moving on if his play all of the sudden fell off a cliff in '22? Everyone would be praising the organization for having the forethought in drafting a replacement and giving themselves an out in Rodgers deal.

But, you see, this didn’t happen. The exact opposite happened. They instead, alienated the league MVP.

Rodgers called their bluff and won.

So rather than praise, they deserve scorn.


Called what bluff? Where is the bluff? He's got a base salary of $25 million, $11 million bonus, and a cap hit of almost $40 million. And the Packers still want him back!


The cap hit is Gute's creation, just like he created the huge balloon in cap hit with the Smith's. Smith's alone are a cap hit of $48m in 2022. They won't be worth half that.
This was planned, as he planned to dump Rodgers to create the space.
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Post#1414 » by midranger » Thu May 27, 2021 4:10 pm

I mean, it’s pretty clear that he wanted a team commitment beyond this year. And at whatever point he asked for it, he REALLY didn’t like the answer he got. Was that before he signed the deal, or during the season, or after the season? Who knows?
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Post#1415 » by M-C-G » Thu May 27, 2021 4:15 pm

This thread is an incredible case study in confirmation bias.

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Post#1416 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu May 27, 2021 4:17 pm

stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
midranger wrote:But, you see, this didn’t happen. The exact opposite happened. They instead, alienated the league MVP.

Rodgers called their bluff and won.

So rather than praise, they deserve scorn.


Called what bluff? Where is the bluff? He's got a base salary of $25 million, $11 million bonus, and a cap hit of almost $40 million. And the Packers still want him back!


The cap hit is Gute's creation, just like he created the huge balloon in cap hit with the Smith's. Smith's alone are a cap hit of $48m in 2022. They won't be worth half that.
This was planned, as he planned to dump Rodgers to create the space.
Im not sure you're interpreting the cap stuff correctly. All money in a contract hits the cap at some point, the manuvering is simply what years that hits. Regardless of rodgers they needed to push the smiths money out to future years because with covid flattening the cap they litterally couldn't even sign their draft picks this year without freeing up space.

There also wasn't anything out of the ordinary with the structure of Rodgers extension. There isn't some unique 'out' after next year it's just simply that giant signing bonus gets spread out over the life of the contract and by next year enough of it will have come off that the dead money is less than the actual cap hit. It's not like a team option or something like that.

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Post#1417 » by stillgotgame » Thu May 27, 2021 4:23 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Called what bluff? Where is the bluff? He's got a base salary of $25 million, $11 million bonus, and a cap hit of almost $40 million. And the Packers still want him back!


The cap hit is Gute's creation, just like he created the huge balloon in cap hit with the Smith's. Smith's alone are a cap hit of $48m in 2022. They won't be worth half that.
This was planned, as he planned to dump Rodgers to create the space.
Im not sure you're interpreting the cap stuff correctly. All money in a contract hits the cap at some point, the manuvering is simply what years that hits. Regardless of rodgers they needed to push the smiths money out to future years because with covid flattening the cap they litterally couldn't even sign their draft picks this year without freeing up space.

There also wasn't anything out of the ordinary with the structure of Rodgers extension. There isn't some unique 'out' after next year it's just simply that giant signing bonus gets spread out over the life of the contract and by next year enough of it will have come off that the dead money is less than the actual cap hit. It's not like a team option or something like that.

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The Smith's contracts were heavily backloaded long before Covid. Only $7.4M - not insignificant though - has been added to their 2022 cap number.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/cap/2022/
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Post#1418 » by M-C-G » Thu May 27, 2021 4:25 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Called what bluff? Where is the bluff? He's got a base salary of $25 million, $11 million bonus, and a cap hit of almost $40 million. And the Packers still want him back!


The cap hit is Gute's creation, just like he created the huge balloon in cap hit with the Smith's. Smith's alone are a cap hit of $48m in 2022. They won't be worth half that.
This was planned, as he planned to dump Rodgers to create the space.
Im not sure you're interpreting the cap stuff correctly. All money in a contract hits the cap at some point, the manuvering is simply what years that hits. Regardless of rodgers they needed to push the smiths money out to future years because with covid flattening the cap they litterally couldn't even sign their draft picks this year without freeing up space.

There also wasn't anything out of the ordinary with the structure of Rodgers extension. There isn't some unique 'out' after next year it's just simply that giant signing bonus gets spread out over the life of the contract and by next year enough of it will have come off that the dead money is less than the actual cap hit. It's not like a team option or something like that.

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I'd also add, for example, the Smiths, you have to take into account whether you are thinking about extending the guy or not. So while Z cap hit is 28M, his dead cap is 12M, which gives you plenty of options if you choose to extend, obviously you are pushing or allocating that into future years, not necessarily having to deal with it all in 2022

With Preston you have 7M into the next season, and again, he already has one restructure on the table, could very likely do it again, but if you cut him, I am pretty sure the dead cap is the only number that really matters.
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Post#1419 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu May 27, 2021 4:29 pm

stillgotgame wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
The cap hit is Gute's creation, just like he created the huge balloon in cap hit with the Smith's. Smith's alone are a cap hit of $48m in 2022. They won't be worth half that.
This was planned, as he planned to dump Rodgers to create the space.
Im not sure you're interpreting the cap stuff correctly. All money in a contract hits the cap at some point, the manuvering is simply what years that hits. Regardless of rodgers they needed to push the smiths money out to future years because with covid flattening the cap they litterally couldn't even sign their draft picks this year without freeing up space.

There also wasn't anything out of the ordinary with the structure of Rodgers extension. There isn't some unique 'out' after next year it's just simply that giant signing bonus gets spread out over the life of the contract and by next year enough of it will have come off that the dead money is less than the actual cap hit. It's not like a team option or something like that.

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The Smith's contracts were heavily backloaded long before Covid. Only $7.4M - not insignificant though - has been added to their 2022 cap number.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/cap/2022/
Yeah that's because the Packers spent right up to the cap line the past few years, every contract they signed has been back loaded to some degree, they needed to do this to fit everyone under the cap not only this year but also in 2019 and 2020.

With most/all NFL contracts the actual base salary in the final year(s) is of a contract are fake. They add years to these deals to spread the bonus money out more. Plus it let's the agent say my guys signed a 5 yr X amount deal when in reality both the team and player know they will either release or restructure that contract before ever actually pay that bloated/fake base salary.

Go look at 90% of all NFL contracts of non rookie deals they are all structured like that. If you want to see some real crazy contract **** check out how the saints have done things the past few years.

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Schedule Out 5/12 

Post#1420 » by JimmyTheKid » Thu May 27, 2021 4:51 pm

M-C-G wrote:This thread is an incredible case study in confirmation bias.

'It's like everything that is happening 100% validates my opinion, 100% of the way!!!'


Whats really incredible is that on the night of the draft 95% of Packers fans hated the Jordan Love pick for two obvious reasons. 1. We didn't spend a 1st round pick on a player to help us win a Super Bowl. 2. The timeline simply made zero sense. Fast forward to today and Packers fans are split pretty evenly between Team Organization and Team Rodgers. So while none of what has transpired this offseason has been the least bit surprising to me, it sure has been interesting to watch the 50ish% go from "dumb f***ing pick!!!" to "dumb Aaron Rodgers!!!" as if they were completely blindsided by our known chipstacking 3x MVP, first ballot Hall of Famer taking exception to not being treated like a 3x MVP, first ballot Hall of Famer.

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