Our own free agents

[Invictus88]

My concern with Diallo is too much hero ball and not enough ball movement. He was a black hole on offense at times. He has good skill as a slasher and stubbornly started making some from the outside when we were really trying to lose.

I don't know how much of the above is actually representative of his game as it was all in the context of odd lineups etc of the tank. I mentioned earlier that I'd like to retain him. I think he is a trade asset that still has the potential to develop further. But it all comes down to how cheaply he can be signed. A high dollar amount negates all of that.

[tmorgan]

I’d be 100% ok with moving on from Diallo and Josh Jackson. I think the minutes would be better used on players that might turn into something with more reps. If I had to pick one of the two, though, it’s Diallo. Jackson isn’t a good fit — one game in five he’s on fire, the other four he’s just out of control. Diallo at least has a strong skill (slashing), and could be fit into a game plan.

Keep Frank Jackson and Saben Lee for sure.

Definitely down for eating Okafor’s money for next year and cutting him.

[jakebernat]

My concern with Diallo is too much hero ball and not enough ball movement. He was a black hole on offense at times. He has good skill as a slasher and stubbornly started making some from the outside when we were really trying to lose.

I don't know how much of the above is actually representative of his game as it was all in the context of odd lineups etc of the tank. I mentioned earlier that I'd like to retain him. I think he is a trade asset that still has the potential to develop further. But it all comes down to how cheaply he can be signed. A high dollar amount negates all of that.

I dunno, I thought hami looked good making plays out of the p&r at times. he flashed some passing chops that I didn’t know he had. It’s just a little muted by the fact that his roll man was okafor many of the times. I like his shooting when he has his feet set, it’s a pretty clean release and form. he just needs to find the consistency shooting off the dribble and while under defensive pressure.

[440BB]

Saben Lee and Frank Jackson are players we need to sign. I think Diallo still has room to develop into a good asset and would like to see him back if not very expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if Ellington is back too at the vet minimum.

[bstein14]

I'm torn on Josh Jackson. We have him at one more year at a decent price. If someone offered a late first for him of course you jump at that, but in reality he is a solid defender and has scored well at times, its just when his shot goes a bit cold he keeps shooting it. If he could consistantly shoot 35 to 38 % from three I think he's a really solid player that would be good either filing a KCP roll as a starter or being offense off the bench. He's just got to work on that longball. He for sure is a competitor which is what you want for this culture reset.

[Laimbeer]

Frank Jackson and Saban Lee if cheap enough.

I don't see how Weaver can give up a pick for Diallo in March and not bring him back. I mean, is he significantly worse or better than we thought?

[bstein14]

Frank Jackson and Saban Lee if cheap enough.

I don't see how Weaver can give up a pick for Diallo in March and not bring him back. I mean, is he significantly worse or better than we thought?

If he comes back on the cheap sure we take him back, but he hasn't proven enough to pay him much. Don't want to blow future cap space on someone who is still pretty far from being what he needs to be to help us win games.

So if another team offers him even a 2 year $10 million deal I think he's likely gone, partly because we also had other young guys step up and play well including Frank Jackson.... who most of us would rather have back over Diallo.

[whitehops]

i think part of it depends on the draft, because if we draft 1st and get cade cunningham it changes the team direction than if we draft 5th/6th and end up with someone like kuminga or barnes or someone.

without knowing who we're going to draft, i'd be completely fine letting diallo walk (and also trade jackson). i know diallo is a weaver guy which is why i expect he'll back (unless we're outbid) but both him and jackson are still quite flawed players, despite having some intriguing traits. we're very likely to get a guard/wing player in the draft and those guys would just take touches away from the draftee.

personally i'd like to re-sign/keep:
- ellington (cheap, knows how to play, provides spacing and doesn't take up many touches)
- frank jackson (doesn't do much else but score but he's efficient at it and isn't selfish)
- chris cook (i like his potential to play some center so we can ditch okafor)
- saben lee (probably bring in a vet PG to compete for backup)

let go:
diallo, CoJo, mcgruder, DSJ,

trade/cut:
jackson (trade) and okafor (cut)

[zeebneeb]

i think part of it depends on the draft, because if we draft 1st and get cade cunningham it changes the team direction than if we draft 5th/6th and end up with someone like kuminga or barnes or someone.

without knowing who we're going to draft, i'd be completely fine letting diallo walk (and also trade jackson). i know diallo is a weaver guy which is why i expect he'll back (unless we're outbid) but both him and jackson are still quite flawed players, despite having some intriguing traits. we're very likely to get a guard/wing player in the draft and those guys would just take touches away from the draftee.

personally i'd like to re-sign/keep:
- ellington (cheap, knows how to play, provides spacing and doesn't take up many touches)
- frank jackson (doesn't do much else but score but he's efficient at it and isn't selfish)
- chris cook (i like his potential to play some center so we can ditch okafor)
- saben lee (probably bring in a vet PG to compete for backup)

let go:
diallo, CoJo, mcgruder, DSJ,

trade/cut:
jackson (trade) and okafor (cut)

This is very close to where I am at and what you said;

"...but both him and jackson are still quite flawed players, despite having some intriguing traits."

This exactly. They both have talents that are outstanding, but both have huge flaws that could hinder their own personal development, and the teams development. These types of players are always a tough call and I think I'm accepting that the team isn't in a place to utilize this type of player yet.

When your a team that is "in the conversation" for a title run, adding these types of players for different dynamics off the bench, can help get you over the hump. Right now though? I don't think either fits.

How to maximize their value though is the question, and of getting a 1st for a package deal should also be part of the conversation.

Of course, being wrong about a player, and they bloom when traded is always a risk.

[stylesofpunk]

I truly think cojo/mcgruder get traded to a team looking for cap space possibly Adding a okafor/plumlee/jj in the deal depending on the contract coming back

[tmorgan]

There’s definitely no reason to move on from Plumlee unless we get a good offer. He played well and is on a solid contract. He’s also viewed as one of the veteran leaders, i believe. Good signing.

Now if we draft Mobley, maybe. But I imagine in that scenario we move on from Cook and likely Okafor, leaving Grant, Stewart, Plumlee and Mobley as the guys getting minutes at the 4 and 5.

[440BB]

I see Josh Jackson and Diallo as players that have increased their value since arriving in Detroit. One or both could further increase in value next season, making them handy assets at the trade deadline. That may factor into the decision to sign Diallo if the price isn't too high.

I do wonder if Diallo may still round out his game with the right coaching. One example is his rebounding, which took a jump the last few weeks of the season. With a productive offseason, clearly defined expectations and his history with Weaver, he could take a step up next season.

Even with their limitations like tunnel vision, I like having aggressive guys on the bench that will come in and get a bucket while playing solid defense. They could be handy pieces for Weaver's dealing heading in to the big 2023 moves.

[FloridaMan78]

I will be very disappointed if we don't keep Frank Jackson. He really came into his own here and could be our legit 6th man of the year candidate.

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[flow]

I don't see how Weaver can give up a pick for Diallo in March and not bring him back.

Correct. He has every intention of bringing him back.

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