2021 international class

[Mirotic12]

Some 2021 Greek draft prospects:

Georgios Kalaitzakis

Age: 22
Position: SG/SF/Point Forward
Height: 6-8
Weight: 205
Wingspan: 7-1

2019-20 Lithuanian 1st Division:

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Dimitris Moraitis

Age: 22
Position: PG/SG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 180

Triple-double versus Serbia under-20:

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2018-19 Greek 1st division

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Nikos Chougkaz

Age: 20
Position: SF/PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 220
Wingpsan : 7-1

2020-21 Greek 1st Division:

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7 for 7 on 3 pointers in Greek 1st Division game against Larisa

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Nikos Rogkavopoulos

Age: 19
Position: SG/SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 200
Wingspan: 6-11

FIBA Champions League / Greek 1st Division:

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12 points in 10 minutes against Greek 1st division club Kolossos

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[GSWFan1994]

Giving this thread a bump.

Curious at this point how people would rank the international guys as NBA prospects? Specifically Giddey, Sengun, Petrusev, Garuba, Roko Prkačin and Vrenz Bleijenbergh and how high you see each player going in the draft?

Really intrigured by these guys.

I'm thinking at this point:

1. Sengun (projected in the 6-11 range)
2. Giddey (projected in the 8-13 range)
3. Garuba (projected in the 15-20 range)

4. Petrusev (projected early 2nd round, possibly late 1st round)

Prkačin/Bleijenbergh (seems like they're projected mid 2nd round, maybe earlier?)

I agree with you, even on each player's range.

I think Sengun has a definite chance of being top 6. He will rise A LOT during the workouts period. Giddey too.

Garuba I'm not so high on, nothing jumped out of the screen by what I've seen. But I agree on the range you put him on.

The last two I don't know, I didn't study them enough at the moment.

There's also Brazilian prospect Guilherme Santos. I've read somewhere he's a possible 2nd round pick.

I made a thread about him: link.

[Hal14]

Giving this thread a bump.

Curious at this point how people would rank the international guys as NBA prospects? Specifically Giddey, Sengun, Petrusev, Garuba, Roko Prkačin and Vrenz Bleijenbergh and how high you see each player going in the draft?

Really intrigured by these guys.

I'm thinking at this point:

1. Sengun (projected in the 6-11 range)
2. Giddey (projected in the 8-13 range)
3. Garuba (projected in the 15-20 range)

4. Petrusev (projected early 2nd round, possibly late 1st round)

Prkačin/Bleijenbergh (seems like they're projected mid 2nd round, maybe earlier?)

I agree with you, even on each player's range.

I think Sengun has a definite chance of being top 6. He will rise A LOT during the workouts period. Giddey too.

Garuba I'm not so high on, nothing jumped out of the screen by what I've seen. But I agree on the range you put him on.

The last two I don't know, I didn't study them enough at the moment.

Yeah the last 2 guys I hadn't heard about until yesterday - both look really intriguing.

What jumps out at me about Garuba is 7'2" wingspan, really strong frame (NBA ready body on a 19 year old) and tenacious defender who really goes hard after rebounds, good timing with rebounds and blocks and is one of the better defenders in this class - he's just really freaking good on D and his shooting is coming along (31% from 3, not good but not bad for a 19 year old forward) and also a good passer but can't really do anything off the dribble..

I'll check out Santos..

[GimmeDat]

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I don't expect him to declare this year, because it's been a rough season for him, but Mojave King had his best game of the season a couple of nights ago. 25 points - only the 3rd player to score over 20 before their 19th birthday in the NBL.. the other two being Joe Ingles and LaMelo Ball (Giddey never scored over 20 this season).

He can really shoot the 3 and he's a great athlete in space (super quick and can finish above the rim). I need to see him develop his ability to do stuff off the dribble and pass the ball, but the more recent flashes are re-instilling confidence that he's a still an NBA prospect.

Biiig narrative over here that he's been massively misutilized and is only now getting to play his game. I somewhat agree.

[Mirotic12]

Yeah the last 2 guys I hadn't heard about until yesterday - both look really intriguing.

What jumps out at me about Garuba is 7'2" wingspan, really strong frame (NBA ready body on a 19 year old) and tenacious defender who really goes hard after rebounds, good timing with rebounds and blocks and is one of the better defenders in this class - he's just really freaking good on D and his shooting is coming along (31% from 3, not good but not bad for a 19 year old forward) and also a good passer but can't really do anything off the dribble..

I'll check out Santos..

Garuba's last measurements from his team had his wingspan at 7-3. But he is terrible at shooting. Anyone can watch him play a game and see how bad of a shooter he is. He's almost always left wide open by the other team, and he's often air balling wide open jump shots.

[Charm]

Garuba's gonna struggle on offense, but out of all the prospects since Draymond, Garuba probably has the clearest path to become Draymond 2.0 defensively. I know we all value offense over defense, but still it's surprising that people are so unenthused by his defensive potential.

[Mirotic12]

6'10" Greek small forward Nikos Chougkaz, that I posted about earlier in this thread, declared for the 2021 NBA draft, and he will reportedly stay in the draft all the way until the end.

[Mirotic12]

Spanish player Carlos Alocen (Alothen), from Real Madrid, also declared for the draft.

Age: 20
Height: 6-5
Position: PG/SG

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[Charm]

Rewatching film from the Real-Efes games, and beginning to think that Garuba's defense is pretty underrated. How many players in the world can box out 7-foot 260 Sanli on one play and bottle up 5'11" 175 Larkin on the next play? Was there any player who bothered Efes's offense as much as him?

[GSWFan1994]

Just saw there's another Brazilian prospect who declared for the draft: Dikembe da Silva André.

I've never heard of him until yesterday. Obviously his name is his father's homage to Mutombo.

Seems like a PF/C, 6'9'' I guess, 18 years old. Really underwhelming numbers in the brazilian league, 5/4/1 in very limited minutes.

It looks like he has just put his name to test out the waters.

[Charm]

Look who's showing up at the last moment...it's Malcolm Cazalon with 13 first-quarter points today in the Serbian League playoffs. He set a season high just a few days ago with 19, and may break that season high today. Wonder if it'll be enough to put him back on the draft radar.

EDIT: He finishes with 23 points, 6 dimes, and a hard-earned win. Career game on a pretty big stage for the 19-year-old. Anyone know where to find highlights for these games?

[Apoe]

Look who's showing up at the last moment...it's Malcolm Cazalon with 13 first-quarter points today in the Serbian League playoffs. He set a season high just a few days ago with 19, and may break that season high today. Wonder if it'll be enough to put him back on the draft radar.

EDIT: He finishes with 23 points, 6 dimes, and a hard-earned win. Career game on a pretty big stage for the 19-year-old. Anyone know where to find highlights for these games?

Really talented player. Certainly has the talent and atlethic ability to be a solid shooting guard in the NBA. But like most prospects is not consistent enough.I honestly think he has to stay one more year at KK Mega Bemax and come out next year.
Played briefly in Belgium last year but accodring to his coach had maturity issues and trouble adjusting to the coaching style .

Sidenote: Petrusev had 21 points and 12 rebounds in the same game.

[Apoe]

Giving this thread a bump.

Curious at this point how people would rank the international guys as NBA prospects? Specifically Giddey, Sengun, Petrusev, Garuba, Roko Prkačin and Vrenz Bleijenbergh and how high you see each player going in the draft?

Really intrigured by these guys.

I'm thinking at this point:

1. Sengun (projected in the 6-11 range)
2. Giddey (projected in the 8-13 range)
3. Garuba (projected in the 15-20 range)

4. Petrusev (projected early 2nd round, possibly late 1st round)

Prkačin/Bleijenbergh (seems like they're projected mid 2nd round, maybe earlier?)

Interesting list.

1. Sengun ( 6 - 12)
2. Garuba (14 - 24 - I think Garuba is going late first round)
3. Petrusev (20 -30)
4. Giddey ( not high on him and i think he is overrated - could imo go somewhere from 14 -35)
5. Prkacin ( 30 - 40 - i like him a lot in the 2nd round)
6. Jokubaitis ( 25- 40 - i think he is really underrated and i personally like him more then Giddey)
7. Bleijenbergh ( 35 - 60 - My guess/hopeis OKC takes him with one of their early 2nd rounders)

[Hal14]

Giving this thread a bump.

Curious at this point how people would rank the international guys as NBA prospects? Specifically Giddey, Sengun, Petrusev, Garuba, Roko Prkačin and Vrenz Bleijenbergh and how high you see each player going in the draft?

Really intrigured by these guys.

I'm thinking at this point:

1. Sengun (projected in the 6-11 range)
2. Giddey (projected in the 8-13 range)
3. Garuba (projected in the 15-20 range)

4. Petrusev (projected early 2nd round, possibly late 1st round)

Prkačin/Bleijenbergh (seems like they're projected mid 2nd round, maybe earlier?)

Interesting list.

1. Sengun ( 6 - 12)
2. Garuba (14 - 24 - I think Garuba is going late first round)
3. Petrusev (20 -30)
4. Giddey ( not high on him and i think he is overrated - could imo go somewhere from 14 -35)
5. Prkacin ( 30 - 40 - i like him a lot in the 2nd round)
6. Jokubaitis ( 25- 40 - i think he is really underrated and i personally like him more then Giddey)
7. Bleijenbergh ( 35 - 60 - My guess/hopeis OKC takes him with one of their early 2nd rounders)

Is that where you think they'll go, or where you think they would go if a re-draft was done 5 years later?

I'll have to check out Jokubaitis - what makes you high on him? And why so low on Giddey?

I like Prkacin too, the more footage I see, the more I like him. I feel like he could be a top 15 (maybe even top 10) player in this draft who would be a steal in the 2nd round. If I'm the Celtics for example, if I want him I might take him at 16, knowing that he probably won't still be there when they pick again at 45. Or do you think that would be too crazy to pick him that high?

Bleijenbergh I have him rated lower than Prkacin but in terms of sheer best player available in the entire draft who has most NBA potential, I might rank Bleijenbergh in the 20-25 range, not sure if that's crazy though..

[Charm]

Look who's showing up at the last moment...it's Malcolm Cazalon with 13 first-quarter points today in the Serbian League playoffs. He set a season high just a few days ago with 19, and may break that season high today. Wonder if it'll be enough to put him back on the draft radar.

EDIT: He finishes with 23 points, 6 dimes, and a hard-earned win. Career game on a pretty big stage for the 19-year-old. Anyone know where to find highlights for these games?

Really talented player. Certainly has the talent and atlethic ability to be a solid shooting guard in the NBA. But like most prospects is not consistent enough.I honestly think he has to stay one more year at KK Mega Bemax and come out next year.
Played briefly in Belgium last year but accodring to his coach had maturity issues and trouble adjusting to the coaching style .

Sidenote: Petrusev had 21 points and 12 rebounds in the same game.

Yeah, I know. As a Cavs fan, reminds me of Kevin Porter Jr with his interesting physical tools and all-around skill but questionable maturity. In this draft I think he's probably on the level of Keon in terms of raw potential, maybe even a bit better, but it's probably not very likely that he'll live up to that potential.

[Mirotic12]

Nikos Chougkaz scouting video:

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[Charm]

Numbers on Chougkaz are surprisingly solid. Only real issue is blah assist:TO. He's probably an NBA guy if he does end up coming over.

My international board looks something like:

#1 Sengun

#2-4 Garuba, Giddey, Prkacin (no particular order)

#5-13 Diop, Bleijenbergh, Cazalon, Petrusev, Chougkaz, Procida, Jokubaitis, Hukporti (no particular order)

Kinda tempted to include Hazer in that last grouping, but I think that's just because I've watched too much Besiktas film.

EDIT: "the rest" (I've seen them on some big boards but not worth a draft pick IMO) Begarin, Alocen, Badji, Nakic, Sylla, Mikhailovskii, Kamagate

[Mickey8]

Petrusev is better than all the guys you put ahead of him and he will prove that in NBA

[Charm]

Petrusev is better than all the guys you put ahead of him and he will prove that in NBA

He'll surprise people with how easily he scores in the NBA, but I don't think he'll end up being a great player. Reminds me of Kuzma.

[Ruzious]

Petrusev is better than all the guys you put ahead of him and he will prove that in NBA

He'll surprise people with how easily he scores in the NBA, but I don't think he'll end up being a great player. Reminds me of Kuzma.

Like Kuzma except a little better at everything - and bigger. I'm a big Petrusev fan.