WC | Rd. 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [Jazz win 4-1]

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Who wins the series?

Jazz in 4 games
22
11%
Jazz in 5 games
77
37%
Jazz in 6 games
52
25%
Jazz in 7games
8
4%
Grizzlies in 4 games
9
4%
Grizzlies in 5 games
3
1%
Grizzlies in 6 games
14
7%
Grizzlies in 7 games
22
11%
 
Total votes: 207

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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [Series tied 1-1] 

Post#1141 » by AingesBurner » Fri May 28, 2021 9:44 pm

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KqWIN wrote:At some point the Jazz will have to address their 4 traffic cone + Gobert defense. Everyone knows that the playoffs will exploit your weaknesses more than regular season. The weakness the Jazz have is not Gobert but the defensive scheme/talent that has 4 players who don't play defense. Gobert can do it all in the RS but the Jazz need to be more versatile down the road. Can't rely on him to defend everything himself.

It probably won't cost them this series (Jazz were just fine in game 1 as long as Gobert was out there), but I definitely have concerns on that end. It's an interesting matchup where the Jazz are giving up shots the Grizzlies are happy to take. The percentages would look to favor the Jazz, but it doesn't matter if Ja and Brooks continue to comfortable take and make these shots.

Val's presence is huge for MEM's offense even when he's not scoring. He's making it hard for Gobert to do his typical 1v2 in drop because of the pressure he's putting on the rim and on the glass. Even if Gobert contests Ja's floater and makes him miss he's giving up the free rebound to Val. Right now Gobert is keeping everything in front of him, but Ja is too good and sinking that floater. The Jazz on ball perimeter defenders aren't getting back into the play or having much of an impact at all.

If the Jazz had just one athletic combo forward sized player who could rotate and help rebound it would go a long way. They could have Gobert step up and scramble a bit more, but the Jazz don't have that guy and don't scheme that way so it's all Gobert vs Ja+Val in the paint. A lot of people see the Jazz as a strong paint defensive team because of Gobert's presence, but we've seen at times that leaving Gobert at the rim alone can be too much against very strong paint attacks. This isn't a Bucks type defense where they sell out to protect the paint.

Game one Gobert did fine, not fine when Favors was in. Game two Ja was magical and I also think the Jazz let their guard down consistently after getting to a big lead. First half was great, then the grizz scored on 15 straight possessions before Gobert more or less ended the game early in the 4th with some amazing two way play before MEM made another mini run to make it semi competitive. The Jazz just couldn't stop scoring themselves it didn't matter.

I'd give it another game to see if Ja and Brooks can keep hitting their floaters and mid range before I'm too concerned. Like I said, the percentages would suggest that they cool off but there's no time to wait. They both look extremely confident in getting to their spots and making those shots. At the very least, I would like to test their percentages from deep a little more. The Grizzlies have done their homework. They know what shots the Jazz like to concede and are performing. Ja is such a talent.


Man, I wonder who was pushing for an athletic wing on the Jazz forum and half the Jazz board told us to sit down and color... :lol:


I don't remember anyone objecting to the idea that we needed another athletic wing defender. I think the debate was if we needed that, or a better defender at power forward more, considering that our rotation there is Bojan and Niang.


A lot of guys were talking about ruining chemistry if we brought in a defensive minded player. Niang could be that guy if he lost 20-30 lbs, he's too chubby to guard athletic guys.
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [Series tied 1-1] 

Post#1142 » by Catchall » Fri May 28, 2021 9:55 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
KqWIN wrote:At some point the Jazz will have to address their 4 traffic cone + Gobert defense. Everyone knows that the playoffs will exploit your weaknesses more than regular season. The weakness the Jazz have is not Gobert but the defensive scheme/talent that has 4 players who don't play defense. Gobert can do it all in the RS but the Jazz need to be more versatile down the road. Can't rely on him to defend everything himself.

It probably won't cost them this series (Jazz were just fine in game 1 as long as Gobert was out there), but I definitely have concerns on that end. It's an interesting matchup where the Jazz are giving up shots the Grizzlies are happy to take. The percentages would look to favor the Jazz, but it doesn't matter if Ja and Brooks continue to comfortable take and make these shots.

Val's presence is huge for MEM's offense even when he's not scoring. He's making it hard for Gobert to do his typical 1v2 in drop because of the pressure he's putting on the rim and on the glass. Even if Gobert contests Ja's floater and makes him miss he's giving up the free rebound to Val. Right now Gobert is keeping everything in front of him, but Ja is too good and sinking that floater. The Jazz on ball perimeter defenders aren't getting back into the play or having much of an impact at all.

If the Jazz had just one athletic combo forward sized player who could rotate and help rebound it would go a long way. They could have Gobert step up and scramble a bit more, but the Jazz don't have that guy and don't scheme that way so it's all Gobert vs Ja+Val in the paint. A lot of people see the Jazz as a strong paint defensive team because of Gobert's presence, but we've seen at times that leaving Gobert at the rim alone can be too much against very strong paint attacks. This isn't a Bucks type defense where they sell out to protect the paint.

Game one Gobert did fine, not fine when Favors was in. Game two Ja was magical and I also think the Jazz let their guard down consistently after getting to a big lead. First half was great, then the grizz scored on 15 straight possessions before Gobert more or less ended the game early in the 4th with some amazing two way play before MEM made another mini run to make it semi competitive. The Jazz just couldn't stop scoring themselves it didn't matter.

I'd give it another game to see if Ja and Brooks can keep hitting their floaters and mid range before I'm too concerned. Like I said, the percentages would suggest that they cool off but there's no time to wait. They both look extremely confident in getting to their spots and making those shots. At the very least, I would like to test their percentages from deep a little more. The Grizzlies have done their homework. They know what shots the Jazz like to concede and are performing. Ja is such a talent.


Man, I wonder who was pushing for an athletic wing on the Jazz forum and half the Jazz board told us to sit down and color... :lol:


I don't remember anyone objecting to the idea that we needed another athletic wing defender. I think the debate was if we needed that, or a better defender at power forward more, considering that our rotation there is Bojan and Niang.


I'm surprised no one picked up Glenn Robinson III.
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [Series tied 1-1] 

Post#1143 » by AingesBurner » Fri May 28, 2021 10:19 pm

Catchall wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
Man, I wonder who was pushing for an athletic wing on the Jazz forum and half the Jazz board told us to sit down and color... :lol:


I don't remember anyone objecting to the idea that we needed another athletic wing defender. I think the debate was if we needed that, or a better defender at power forward more, considering that our rotation there is Bojan and Niang.


I'm surprised no one picked up Glenn Robinson III.


Hey we have Matt Frickin Thomas to shore up the defense..... At least he's not getting Shelvin Mack minutes.
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Re: WC | Rd 1| (1) Jazz vs (8) Grizzlies [Series tied 1-1] 

Post#1144 » by VCfor3 » Sat May 29, 2021 1:52 pm

Just wanted to say I thought the issue with the three fans verbally harassing Morant's (and Dillon's) parents was handled as best it possibly could be. Jazz banned the three for life within 24 hours and made a public apology, the other Jazz fans in the area having the parent's back, Mitchell posting about it on social media, Ja and his Dad saying that everyone but those three were great. Hate that it happened, but still felt like it should be mentioned that Utah handled as well as they could.
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Post#1145 » by pacers33 » Sat May 29, 2021 2:08 pm

VCfor3 wrote:Just wanted to say I thought the issue with the three fans verbally harassing Morant's (and Dillon's) parents was handled as best it possibly could be. Jazz banned the three for life within 24 hours and made a public apology, the other Jazz fans in the area having the parent's back, Mitchell posting about it on social media, Ja and his Dad saying that everyone but those three were great. Hate that it happened, but still felt like it should be mentioned that Utah handled as well as they could.

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Post#1146 » by Michael Jackson » Sun May 30, 2021 1:36 am

Love seeing Ja, win or lose its good to see him get playoff reps like this.
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Post#1147 » by mjba » Sun May 30, 2021 1:41 am

Grizz fans, need some help...

I have an unusually large parlay of which Mem +5 is my final leg.

How are we feeling tonight!? Do we think yall will get more from Brooks tonight? Will Ja be able to keep getting to his spots? What to expect form Jonas?
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Post#1148 » by Skyyr » Sun May 30, 2021 1:45 am

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Post#1149 » by levon » Sun May 30, 2021 1:46 am

The Jazz are going to be such a tough out
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Post#1150 » by Catchall » Sun May 30, 2021 1:47 am

Ugh, I can't listen to Hubie Brown.
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Post#1151 » by Catchall » Sun May 30, 2021 1:48 am

This should be the Jazz's best game defensively. So far, Memphis seems to be leaving the Jazz's 3pt shooters open. Mitchell is testing the defense and making the simple kick-out.
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Post#1152 » by GSP » Sun May 30, 2021 1:48 am

I know Jaren is young and had injury problems but his stagnation since his rookie season is worrying. He has all the talent to be one of the best twoway bigs in the league.
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Post#1153 » by Mamba Mentality » Sun May 30, 2021 1:53 am

Brandon Clarke getting some early burn.
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Post#1154 » by Bologna Smasher » Sun May 30, 2021 1:54 am

GSP wrote:I know Jaren is young and had injury problems but his stagnation since his rookie season is worrying. He has all the talent to be one of the best twoway bigs in the league.


He's also had the injury issues. He hasn't played up to expectations this season, but you can understand why. He has a lot of holes in his game, but he still has a ton of potential. I think it's a bit too early for so many to be writing him off.
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Post#1155 » by Mamba Mentality » Sun May 30, 2021 1:57 am

Morant can’t seemingly get within 5 feet of the rim at will where he scores at an absurd clip. Don’t see why he can’t have another 40 point game tonight...might have to with the way Utah is shooting.
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Post#1156 » by Bruin » Sun May 30, 2021 1:59 am

Ja is so much fun to watch
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Post#1157 » by Bologna Smasher » Sun May 30, 2021 2:00 am

PrinceAli wrote:Ja is so much fun to watch


Don't know why I didn't think of the comparison earlier, but his ability to get to the rim and the teardrop shot remind me a lot of Tony Parker, except Ja is much more athletic.
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Post#1158 » by levon » Sun May 30, 2021 2:00 am

Ja is like if a flying squirrel played ball. Glides so smoothly
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Post#1159 » by eminence » Sun May 30, 2021 2:00 am

Yeah, Jazz dudes (have they tried Mitchell?) can't stay in front of Ja. But it's hard to keep up as 1 man.
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Post#1160 » by Patches Perry » Sun May 30, 2021 2:02 am

Is it common for NBA floors to have the planks going vertical rather than horizontal? I can't stop thinking about it but I can't decide if it's abnormal or if I'm just really high.

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