Hal’s Draft Thread

[Hal14]

Remember it was me who said it here first. Every year a player gets picked that no one expected. Last year PP was selected and no one was expecting that in rd 1..

GREGG BROWN is my surprise sleeper pick. The more I look the more I see a John Collins clone. His talent and need fits us to a tee.

Still not saying I want him more than JJ or Kai Jones, but he is closing Bigtime IMO.

Mt top 4 of possible available picks are

1- Jalen Johnson
2- Kai Jones
3- Gregg Brown
4- Zaire Williams

Still looking into Isaiah Todd and Isaiah Jackson though.

solid post. the players you name are all intriguing. I think Garuba has to firmly be in that brown/williams/todd/jackson tier, too though but i can see how some people don't like his shooting/driving/ball handling ability.

I'll have to check out Brown - the words "John Collins Clone" have me intrigued, because obviously a guy like John Collins would really help our team. I'm seeing some red flags about Williams that kind of scare me with him. I feel like if either as) we had a pick in the 20's or b) depth at wing as actually a need for us that I'd be more open to him, but we're picking 16th and we don't need wing depth so I'm not really feeling him.

[Hal14]

Just throwing it out there.

Our biggest win of the season (by far) was last night. Nesmith, Langford, Fournier, Smart all played well.

Brown is our 2nd best player (and 1 of only 2 guys on or team who has played consistently well this season + played 20+ mins a game + played in 50+ games

So clearly I don't think we should draft a wing.

So that means no Duarte, no Booknight, no Kispert, no Moody, no Ziare Williams, no BJ Boston, no Keon Johnson, no Josh Christopher and no Cameron Thomas.

My preference is a 4, a 5, a 1....in that order

[batabatuta]

Unless the BPA is quite enticing, my bet is we draft a PG just because Kemba is being moved and DA isn't fond of rookie bigs.
I don't think Nesmith was what they really had in mind but since he slipped down to pick 14, they get him. The same story with TimeLord. Now PP, he was Boston's target all along, they don't want to risk not getting him in the 2nd round so they took him at 26.

Let's just hope the BPA is a 4 or a 5

[Hal14]

Interesting mock draft here:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-cade-cunningham-looks-like-no-1-pick-regardless-of-who-wins-lottery/

If those are the first 15 picks, Ainge would have his choice of Kai Jones, Jalen Johnson or Jaden Springer. Having to choose between those 3 would be a good problem to have.. Garuba still on the board too..

it certainly seems possible the draft may fall that way and we have a few good choices at 16. Why I said in the other thread I don't want to attach our 16th pick with any Kemba trade.

i mean, if we can get a really good veteran player who fills a need for us, then sure, i am all for trading the 16th pick.

but if we hold onto it, i am totally fine with that too, because someone like Giddey/Sengun/Jackson/Mitchell/Springer/Jones/Johnson/Garuba, 1 of those guys could definitely help make us a better team long term

[jmr07019]

I just want a guy who is at least 6’ 6”, can defend and shoot. Is that too much to ask at 16? I can waive the shooting requirement if it’s a big.

[Hal14]

Unless the BPA is quite enticing, my bet is we draft a PG just because Kemba is being moved and DA isn't fond of rookie bigs.
I don't think Nesmith was what they really had in mind but since he slipped down to pick 14, they get him. The same story with TimeLord. Now PP, he was Boston's target all along, they don't want to risk not getting him in the 2nd round so they took him at 26.

Let's just hope the BPA is a 4 or a 5

i agree in that I am also hoping the BPA is a 4 or 5.

but i am not so sure we trade kemba. i think ainge wants ton trade kemba. but actually finding a deal that is fair because we get good value coming back to us for kemba, is a very different thing and i'm not sure if that happens, and plus i'm apparently the biggest Yam Madar fan on this board, lol

at the 4/5 spot, the guys we are looking at who could be a solid pick at 16 are Sengun, Kai Jones, Jalen Johnson, Garuba and Isaiah Jackson. I'm fine with us drafting 1 of those 5 guys.

[Hal14]

I just want a guy who is at least 6’ 6”, can defend and shoot. Is that too much to ask at 16? I can waive the shooting requirement if it’s a big.

then you're looking at either:

Alperen Sengun
Kai Jones
Jalen Johnson
Usman Garuba
Isaiah Jackson
Gregg Brown

Or one of these guys but it might be a reach, these guys it's a 50/50 that they might be available when we pick in the 2nd round at the 45ht pick:
Isaiah Todd
Roko Prkačin
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
Filip Petrušev

[Maple Green]

Defensive Center that can rebound offensively and Defensively is immediately need. We have have a lot of shooters. Like Ben Wallace type player

[Hal14]

Defensive Center that can rebound offensively and Defensively is immediately need. We have have a lot of shooters. Like Ben Wallace type player

You want a Ben Wallace Type player.

That's Usman Garuba.

Watch on YouTube

[Half-Full]

I'm on board with the idea of prioritizing a big with pick #16. A name that I haven't seen mentioned here before is Day'Ron Sharpe. Most Mocks have him going late in the first round or early in the second. I think he looks pretty good, and won't be surprised to see him rising up the board.

Watch on YouTube

[Half-Full]

While my preference is for a big at pick #16, there really are a lot of good guards that will be available then, including this guy.

Watch on YouTube

[Justin33]

Best Player Available

[Hal14]

Best Player Available

Who do you think the Best Player Available might be at the 16 spot?

[playa-hater]

While my preference is for a big at pick #16, there really are a lot of good guards that will be available then, including this guy.

Watch on YouTube

I really like both the guys you mentioned a lot. *If we had a late first. Not at 16.. can only hope one slips to Rd 2.

[GoGreen]

Best Player Available

Who do you think the Best Player Available might be at the 16 spot?

My guess is Garuba or Isaiah Jackson. Garuba is high potential, but still not really great at anything. Jackson is a bouncy 5, whereas his draft peers like Jones and Johnson can shoot and get their own offense. Giddey I like too, but he may be gone by then.

[playa-hater]

Best Player Available

Who do you think the Best Player Available might be at the 16 spot?

My guess is Garuba or Isaiah Jackson. Garuba is high potential, but still not really great at anything. Jackson is a bouncy 5, whereas his draft peers like Jones and Johnson can shoot and get their own offense. Giddey I like too, but he may be gone by then.

Jackson is probably the best rim protector in this draft .. I do wonder what kind of perimeter defense he can provide from the center position.. But very very curious to see him get stronger he may be a great pick also

[playa-hater]

Just throwing it out there.

Our biggest win of the season (by far) was last night. Nesmith, Langford, Fournier, Smart all played well.

Brown is our 2nd best player (and 1 of only 2 guys on or team who has played consistently well this season + played 20+ mins a game + played in 50+ games

So clearly I don't think we should draft a wing.

So that means no Duarte, no Booknight, no Kispert, no Moody, no Ziare Williams, no BJ Boston, no Keon Johnson, no Josh Christopher and no Cameron Thomas.

My preference is a 4, a 5, a 1....in that order

here is the thing, most of the Wings you are thinking about are 2-3 Wing positions. But a 3-4 Wing would be so good.

Example. Imagine Mikal Bridges with Tatum, Brown and Smart. I believe Zaire Williams is the more skilled slightly taller version of Mikal Bridges.

Oh the switch-ability Just saying. Would rather have a bigger 3-4 though. Or a 4-5.

Hench my Tier 1 of Jalen Johnson and Kai, Tier 2 Gregg Brown, Z Williams. Still waiting on Isaiah Todd and Isiah Jackson.

[Hal14]

Just throwing it out there.

Our biggest win of the season (by far) was last night. Nesmith, Langford, Fournier, Smart all played well.

Brown is our 2nd best player (and 1 of only 2 guys on or team who has played consistently well this season + played 20+ mins a game + played in 50+ games

So clearly I don't think we should draft a wing.

So that means no Duarte, no Booknight, no Kispert, no Moody, no Ziare Williams, no BJ Boston, no Keon Johnson, no Josh Christopher and no Cameron Thomas.

My preference is a 4, a 5, a 1....in that order

here is the thing, most of the Wings you are thinking about are 2-3 Wing positions. But a 3-4 Wing would be so good.

Example. Imagine Mikal Bridges with Tatum, Brown and Smart. I believe Zaire Williams is the more skilled slightly taller version of Mikal Bridges.

Oh the switch-ability Just saying. Would rather have a bigger 3-4 though. Or a 4-5.

Hench my Tier 1 of Jalen Johnson and Kai, Tier 2 Gregg Brown, Z Williams. Still waiting on Isaiah Todd and Isiah Jackson.

I like Ziaire's switchability. What worries me with him is how skinny/weak he is physically at 6'8" and only 185 lbs. You typically don't don't see wings who are so skinny/weak physically succeed in the NBA. who can we compare him to in terms of frame? The 2 who come to mind are Brandon Ingram and Reggie Miller. Ingram is 6'8", 190 lbs and Miller was 6'7", 190 lbs. so both ingram and miller have more meat on their bones. And both Ingram and Miller were MUCH better college players, like not even close. Williams averaged 10 PPG on low efficiency. Ingram averaged 17 a game at duke, miller had a season at UCLA where he averaged 25 a game.

Williams has some upside/potential with his combination of size at 6'8", skill and athleticism, but i'm not touching him with the 16th pick. if we were picking in the 20-30 range, sure I might take a flier on him.

[Setshot33]

Defensive Center that can rebound offensively and Defensively is immediately need. We have have a lot of shooters. Like Ben Wallace type player

Ummm, where are these shooters at and could you please ask them to report to TD Garden? The Playoffs are going on you know........

[Hal14]

Who do you think the Best Player Available might be at the 16 spot?

My guess is Garuba or Isaiah Jackson. Garuba is high potential, but still not really great at anything. Jackson is a bouncy 5, whereas his draft peers like Jones and Johnson can shoot and get their own offense. Giddey I like too, but he may be gone by then.

Jackson is probably the best rim protector in this draft .. I do wonder what kind of perimeter defense he can provide from the center position.. But very very curious to see him get stronger he may be a great pick also

Jackson is intriguing because of his athleticism and rim protection.

But just like with Ziaire Williams, I am scared of Jackson (and not in a good way) because he's too skinny/weak physically. Only 206 lbs as a center in the NBA? and Jackson has to be a center. he can't play the 4 because he has absolutely no perimeter skills (ball handling, driving, outside shooting).

what centers in the league today are 206 lbs or less? I can't think of any.

Claxton is only 215 lbs. claxton put up similar numbers in college but:

a) claxton is 215 lbs, so 9 pounds more than jackson, that 9 pounds makes a difference when you're trying to bang around inside with the big boys
b) claxton at least showed more of an offensive arsenal than jackson. claxton averaged 13 PPG his last year in college compared to only 8 for Jackson. Claxton hit 18 three-pointers his last year of college, so at least he showed some ability to hit outside shots, Jackson was 0/2 from 3 this season. and yet claxton was the 31st pick in the draft. i'm not taking Jackson with the 16th pick..