2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[dukeknicksirish]

Saw another article about Sexton being traded away. How ideal would he be for this team? Dawg mentality , can hit the big shots, locks up on defense, fits our age timeline. Not sure what we’d have to offer , but I’d be willing to give Dallas 21, New York 21 and New York 23 and filler.

[cgf]

Saw another article about Sexton being traded away. How ideal would he be for this team? Dawg mentality , can hit the big shots, locks up on defense, fits our age timeline. Not sure what we’d have to offer , but I’d be willing to give Dallas 21, New York 21 and New York 23 and filler.

They'll want Obi & picks. But if we strikeout on Lavine, that could be a price worth paying.

[RHODEY]

His defense alone would help, and we’d get more points in transition, unlock Obi.

Right regular season I havent doubt about that. Playoffs in a more half court setting? Maybe he'd help us here too (or not) but how much do you have to offer for the Pels not to match? Maybe 23-25 million per? Would you do that?

20m per might be enough from the sound of things.

Might not...

[WargamesX]

Everyone who was in this thread and said getting a good pick didn’t matter cause we were in the playoff hunt.... you were completely **** wrong

[knickstape4ever]

Everyone who was in this thread and said getting a good pick didn’t matter cause we were in the playoff hunt.... you were completely **** wrong

I bet Dallas and Atlanta don't regret missing the playoffs in 2017/18

[WargamesX]

Everyone who was in this thread and said getting a good pick didn’t matter cause we were in the playoff hunt.... you were completely **** wrong

I bet Dallas and Atlanta don't regret missing the playoffs in 2017/18

Ahh well.

[Fat]

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[knickstape4ever]

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I’ve upgrade my target after watching this playoff series. Give me cam Thomas

he'd definitely towards the top of my list w/ Bouknight and Mann

we need scorers

[WargamesX]

I have come around on Ziare... move RJ to SG and put a 6’8 wing at SF who can shoot the ball. We need better outside shooting because Bullock also played horribly.

After him Ayo or Tre would be ideal.

[louisorr]

I'm ready to hand the team over to MOP Jared Butler. He's got Lillard potential.

Relax, I said potential.

[WargamesX]

I'm ready to hand the team over to MOP Jared Butler. He's got Lillard potential.

Relax, I said potential.

Which makes him lasting to 19 remote..... the Knicks have assets to move up, but if they did and still missed....

[louisorr]

I'm ready to hand the team over to MOP Jared Butler. He's got Lillard potential.

Relax, I said potential.

Which makes him lasting to 19 remote..... the Knicks have assets to move up, but if they did and still missed....

I hear ya. I just think we have to identify a bonafide shooter in this draft. But also if that player can be a playmaker with savvy and distribution skills , who also has the ball in his hands. Damn the lack of athleticism. I;d go try to get him. At the end of the day the best team's best players should be the guy who has the ball in his hands most of the time. You can see clearly how rj, obi and even quickly can't really do their thing unless someone can unlock them.

[Adelheid]

The knicks have 2 x 1st rd for this year.

Those guys are just going to rot in the bench. Feel sorry for whoever they are, in advance

I'd love to be proven wrong

[SARGO127]

Yah I can’t imagine us drafting two guys in R1

We will trade up or trade one or both picks for a vet

[robillionaire]

the 32nd pick is essentially a late first as well

[RandlesCornrows]

Knicks need to trade up everything and take Davion Mitchell. Kid is gonna be a star.

[8516knicks]

Yah I can’t imagine us drafting two guys in R1

We will trade up or trade one or both picks for a vet

The vets we can get for 2022 will be the same quality as this year: the Bullocks, the Burks, the Austin Rivers of the NBA. Okay for regular season, MIA in playoffs. We lucked out with Rose this year, if we'd gotten the version of Rose that was here previously we'd have both missed the playoffs and missed the good lottery picks.

We need to luck out in the draft and that either means trading/consolidating for better draft position or just taking 3 swings and hoping for one to connect with a Adebayo/Herro-like surprise.

[thebuzzardman]

Yah I can’t imagine us drafting two guys in R1

We will trade up or trade one or both picks for a vet

The vets we can get for 2022 will be the same quality as this year: the Bullocks, the Burks, the Austin Rivers of the NBA. Okay for regular season, MIA in playoffs. We lucked out with Rose this year, if we'd gotten the version of Rose that was here previously we'd have both missed the playoffs and missed the good lottery picks.

We need to luck out in the draft and that either means trading/consolidating for better draft position or just taking 3 swings and hoping for one to connect with a Adebayo/Herro-like surprise.

Having what is nearly 3 FRPs means the Knicks could burn one to move up like the Jazz did for DMitch, possibly, while still having a decent pick left over, if the scouts have their act together.

Meaning, if there is a player Perrin is sold on at 15, Knicks might be able to move 19,21, yet still have 32 for some end of the bench help\a project.

And while I wouldn't specifically recommend it, Knicks also have the Mavs 2023 pick to work with, either in trades for players or to move up in this draft.

[finestrg]

I'm on the fence about trading for Collin Sexton -- my buddy says no, doesn't want him, thinks he's a shoot-first PG that's wrong for us. I get that he's a scorer first and foremost but damn, the dude's 22 years old and already a star (24 ppg). Just don't know about giving up so much to get him (esp. the draft picks that we can use to improve and strengthen the roster). I'm on the fence with this, split 50/50.

Putting the Sexton trade idea aside though, I think that taking these steps would make us better:

Draft:
19 - Johnny Juzang, SF
21 - Charles Bassey, C
32 - Chris Duarte, SG (maybe including cash and/or a future 2nd rounder to move up slightly to get him)
58 - Luka Garza, C/PF (maybe including cash and/or a future 2nd rounder to move up slightly to get him)

Free Agency (concentrating on not overspending and keeping as much cap flexibility as possible moving forward:
Re-sign Alec Burks
Re-sign Rose OR sign Bryce Cotton (playing for the Perth Widcats in the NBL, Australia)
Re-sign Gibson OR sign Skal Labissiere

Potential Lineup:
5 - Robinson
4 - Randle
3 - Barrett - he actually looks a little small at the 3 but maybe we tell him to try to add 10 lbs. of muscle and core strength this off-season as a priority, in addition to continuing to improve his overall game. This would allow Duarte to play next to him at the 2. Or we keep him at 2, let Johnny Juzang start next to him at 3, and have Duarte and Burls as the primary wings off the bench. Pretty interchangeable here with all four guys at each of these wing spots.
2 - Duarte
1 - Vildoza
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5 - Bassey
4/3 - Toppin - has very quietly made some progress. Can Vildoza unlock him and get the most out of him? Yeah man, maybe.
3/2 - Juzang - instant upgrade over Bullock and I think he's a better player than Knox. As of right now, he threw his name in the hat for the draft but may withdraw if he doesn't get the love he's looking for. Might take a guarantee at 19 by the Knicks for him to stay in.
2/1 - Burks
1 - Derrick Rose or Bryce Cotton
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5/4 - Garza
4/5 - Gibson or Labissiere
3 - Knox
2/1 - Quickley
15th man - ???
- I'd pencil in Bryce Cotton for added depth here (I'd love to add Rose and Cotton), but say of we showed interest and offered a contract similar to what we gave Vildoza, for that money we'd want to play the guy and he'd want to play. He wouldn't come here to be out of the rotation. The dude is a star in Australia right now. That's why I'm think Rose OR Cotton as an offense-minded scoring point for that second unit, but still a guy that's more than capable of driving the bus and facilitating. Keep in mind Cotton is about 3 years younger than Rose and might hold up better over a whole season. This guy does have prior NBA experience and has played well wherever he's been, going back to college at Providence. Very fast and dynamic, can score in bunches and get his shot off on anybody. The Garden would love this little dude, he can play!
- Maybe we use this final spot on Gibson or Labissiere and carry both guys for added front court depth.

Rationale:
Robinson will be back and together with at least Charles Bassey, we would be better in the middle next year going this route, no doubt about it. We can also let Noel walk (he's a guy I don't want to overpay for his shot-blocking anyway -- he just doesn't do enough in other areas). Luka Garza, if we could get him at 58 or possibly move up into the 40s to get using 58 and cash, and Skal Labissiere would add more depth we could use up front, two guys better and more skilled than Pelle. Garza's interesting -- he's a bit of a plodder but skilled -- he's big, takes up space, can score inside, good rebounder and he can actually shoot well from outside. One of the better college big men over the last 2 seasons. A lot of people don't think he's an NBA player but I think he's a steal in the latter part of the 2nd round. I get Duarte's an older pick but the dude's an NBA SG, you can just see it. Tremendous shooter and he plays D. I love Johnny Juzang too, just going off what he did in the NCAA Tournament alone. Love him as a shooter and love that he can go create his own shot.. He's a better player than Reggie Bullock and Knox (we grab this kid, we can let Bullock walk and then maybe we see what we could get for Knox to eliminate some clutter, even if it's a future draft pick). Quickley I'm not sure about. In this scenario, I have him out of the rotation -- I just feel Rose or Bryce Cotton would be better as the offensive-minded PG on that second unit behind Vildoza, and then I like how the SG position would look with Duarte/Burks (or vice versa), and also like how we'd look with Barrett/Juzang at the 3. I get Quickley opened some eyes this season and you'd want to keep building with him off that but I guess I'm still not sold on him. Quickley's not a guy that would stop me from improving at the point or the 2 this off-season. I think he still has a long way to go. I feel like with these additions, we'll be better next year. We'd be shoring up all the right positions -- first, I'm taking the leap of faith that Vildoza is the quality starting NBA PG we're currently lacking; we'd be adding quality outside shooting--more than what we currently have (Vildoza, Juzang, Duarte, older Derrick Rose is an improved outside shooter if he's retained or Bryce Cotton is a very good 3-pt shooter that can light it up in a hurry should the Knicks see the value here, Burks can stroke it should we retain him, Bassey actually has 3-pt range, so does Garza should he ever crack the rotation and Labissiere can even shoot 3s); we'd be retaining scoring punch at backup point with Rose or we go get Cotton for this role; we'd be retaining additional quality back court depth with Burks (the guy is full of intangibles--I love him and want him back); and we'd adding more impact size/size with skill (Mitch will be back, Bassey, Garza, Labissiere has size and length and a very overlooked skill package on both ends, Gibson is still pretty serviceable if we retain him). Finally, we retain ample cap space to eventually pay Randle, Mitch, Barrett, etc..

[camillepd]

My draft picks as of today:

Draft:
19 - Cameron Thomas, SG
21 - Jared Butler, PG
32 - Bones Hyland, Guard
58 - Ibou Badji, Center