Grade the Kennard trade!

[DetroitSho]

Drummond is not the centrepiece

Reggie is not the starting PG responsible for all the things that go with that job.

Morris is at most a 4th option

Luke isn't playing but if he was he'd be a shooter and not much else.

We expected them to be more than what they actually are and it set us back a lot if years.

Kinda funny that we traded Tobias for Blake when if you look at it Harris was the one guy we should have kept

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There's literally nothing about their play style now that's different than when they were here. Reggie started for the Clippers a great portion of the season. Morris is a starter. Drummond is a starter.

The only guy that was relied on to be a #1 option while here was Reggie and he actually did very admirable in that role before his knees betrayed him. Morris plays the same way for the Clips, except his shooting has improved so he's much better on the catch and shoot from 3 than he was here. So he doesn't spend as much time in the midrange as here.

Drummond literally plays the same way. Still tries to take his man off the dribble at times, still tries the jump hook in the post. We didn't ask for inefficient play from any of these guys. But when you put bona-fide superstars on the court with them, there's less opportunity for inefficient play and also the superstar's presence immediately makes these guys better.

Really Luke is actually worse than he was here oddly enough. If anything he's being miscast now.

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Drummond is not the centrepiece

Reggie is not the starting PG responsible for all the things that go with that job.

Morris is at most a 4th option

Luke isn't playing but if he was he'd be a shooter and not much else.

We expected them to be more than what they actually are and it set us back a lot if years.

Kinda funny that we traded Tobias for Blake when if you look at it Harris was the one guy we should have kept

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There's literally nothing about their play style now that's different than when they were here. Reggie started for the Clippers a great portion of the season. Morris is a starter. Drummond is a starter.

The only guy that was relied on to be a #1 option while here was Reggie and he actually did very admirable in that role before his knees betrayed him. Morris plays the same way for the Clips, except his shooting has improved so he's much better on the catch and shoot from 3 than he was here. So he doesn't spend as much time in the midrange as here.

Drummond literally plays the same way. Still tries to take his man off the dribble at times, still tries the jump hook in the post. We didn't ask for inefficient play from any of these guys. But when you put bona-fide superstars on the court with them, there's less opportunity for inefficient play and also the superstar's presence immediately makes these guys better.

Really Luke is actually worse than he was here oddly enough. If anything he's being miscast now.

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The bold shows the significant difference in their new roles vs the roles they all had here! You described it better than I did.

Dre & RJ were our 1/2 punch for a lot if the time. Now they're at most cast as the 3rd or 4th option.

Not really sure what you're arguing about

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They're still the same players. But instead of 6 stupid shots a game, only 2 shots a game are stupid. That doesn't make them different players or that they were miscast here.

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[vege]

See, even you know you’re on unstable ground here.

I know that because you add in “on a rookie deal” to Kennard’s description, knowing full well that while technically correct that doesn’t really capture the full picture of Kennard’s contract situation at that time.

I added that because the previous message had a special emphasis on his 16 mil contract, and we didn't trade Kennard on 16 mil per year contract. But whatever, I made my point. I maintain that we got robbed in every trade we made this season.

[chrbal]

See, even you know you’re on unstable ground here.

I know that because you add in “on a rookie deal” to Kennard’s description, knowing full well that while technically correct that doesn’t really capture the full picture of Kennard’s contract situation at that time.

I added that because the previous message had a special emphasis on his 16 mil contract, and we didn't trade Kennard on 16 mil per year contract. But whatever, I made my point. I maintain that we got robbed in every trade we made this season.

How did we get robbed in the tony Bradley and saben lee for cap space trade?

[Snakebites]

See, even you know you’re on unstable ground here.

I know that because you add in “on a rookie deal” to Kennard’s description, knowing full well that while technically correct that doesn’t really capture the full picture of Kennard’s contract situation at that time.

I added that because the previous message had a special emphasis on his 16 mil contract, and we didn't trade Kennard on 16 mil per year contract. But whatever, I made my point. I maintain that we got robbed in every trade we made this season.

You certainly reasserted your position. That's not quite the same as making your point though.

And no, we didn't trade Luke on that contract. But the fact that he was due for a new contract factors into his valuation, and pretending that it doesn't isn't helping you.

[vege]

See, even you know you’re on unstable ground here.

I know that because you add in “on a rookie deal” to Kennard’s description, knowing full well that while technically correct that doesn’t really capture the full picture of Kennard’s contract situation at that time.

I added that because the previous message had a special emphasis on his 16 mil contract, and we didn't trade Kennard on 16 mil per year contract. But whatever, I made my point. I maintain that we got robbed in every trade we made this season.

How did we get robbed in the tony Bradley and saben lee for cap space trade?

Bingo. Finally someone smart around here

[Manocad]

See, even you know you’re on unstable ground here.

I know that because you add in “on a rookie deal” to Kennard’s description, knowing full well that while technically correct that doesn’t really capture the full picture of Kennard’s contract situation at that time.

I added that because the previous message had a special emphasis on his 16 mil contract, and we didn't trade Kennard on 16 mil per year contract. But whatever, I made my point. I maintain that we got robbed in every trade we made this season.

And I maintain the Pistons weren’t robbed on every trade.

There. That was easy.

[vege]

See, even you know you’re on unstable ground here.

I know that because you add in “on a rookie deal” to Kennard’s description, knowing full well that while technically correct that doesn’t really capture the full picture of Kennard’s contract situation at that time.

I added that because the previous message had a special emphasis on his 16 mil contract, and we didn't trade Kennard on 16 mil per year contract. But whatever, I made my point. I maintain that we got robbed in every trade we made this season.

And I maintain the Pistons weren’t robbed on every trade.

There. That was easy.

And I am fine with that.

[Mr Peanut]

A lot of people were critical of Weaver's moves in the off-season (myself included), and a lot of those were left eating crow. The only trade you could say we lost was the Bruce Brown one (although it remains to be seen what we do with the Toronto second rounder), but every other trade now seems either neutral or in our favor (less informed posters will bring up the Houston trade but Christian Wood was added later once he had decided to sign with them already, and adding him helped us to increase the protections on the first rounder we sent).

Sadly some will remain stubborn and will rather die with their original opinion even when they're left without an argument to support it.

[chrbal]

I added that because the previous message had a special emphasis on his 16 mil contract, and we didn't trade Kennard on 16 mil per year contract. But whatever, I made my point. I maintain that we got robbed in every trade we made this season.

How did we get robbed in the tony Bradley and saben lee for cap space trade?

Bingo. Finally someone smart around here

I’m mildly convinced that your whole stance has been something of a long con

[vege]

How did we get robbed in the tony Bradley and saben lee for cap space trade?

Bingo. Finally someone smart around here

I’m mildly convinced that your whole stance has been something of a long con

It's not, but before you made that post, I stop for a few moments to think about the trades Weaver did, and I realised that, this was a good trade, could've been better if we kept Tony Bradley who's solid, or have signed Saben Lee into a regular 3 years contract instead of a 2 way deal, but still this trade was good for us, and I remember liking it at the time, but the trade was better than I anticipated.

I will give you something tho. I find entertaining when people try to prove me wrong and they can't, and then they make a laughable argument, just for the sake of it.

My stance is legit. I do think Weaver did a lot of damage to our franchise, I never wanted us to go full Philly/process mode, I always wanted us to go Utah's route instead.

But even going the process path, I would've been fine, if the person doing it was competent. Weaver dumped a bunch of solid/great players just to make a statement, that this is his team and that's pathetic. Bruce Brown would've been good for us, better than Josh Jackson for example (I wanted us to sign Josh Jackson, so I am not saying I am perfect and that I know it all). Do I need to mention Christian Wood again? No right? Derrick Rose was only worth a meh 2nd? Look at what he is doing in the playoffs.

I think a lot of people were depressed with the way things were going for the frachise, so any change of direction is great for them, so they don't stop to think on how things are happening, they're just happy they are happening. Add the fact that people always overhype young players, because they think that guy could be the next big thing (media sell those kids that way, so yeah) and they get excited and stop seeing the young players for what they are.

I mean, most people here still think Jerami Grant is a #1 option and a franchise player, because of his play during the first 2 months of the season, once they got that idea in their mind, they just ignored everything else. They couldn't see how bad his numbers and efficiency regressed and the fact that he was back being the player he was the previous season.

What I am trying to say is, I try to question, and think about things, I don't accept things the way they are presented to me. So no, this is not a long con.

And yes, you proved me wrong, and once that happen, I gladly go and say I was wrong. Weaver did 1 good trade, he got robbed in every trade he did other than that, and the good trade wasn't Kennard + 4 future 2nds for the #19 pick.

[tmorgan]

Odd that you would criticize people for not changing their minds once set in a particular direction. Very odd.

[FloridaMan78]

Bingo. Finally someone smart around here

I’m mildly convinced that your whole stance has been something of a long con

It's not, but before you made that post, I stop for a few moments to think about the trades Weaver did, and I realised that, this was a good trade, could've been better if we kept Tony Bradley who's solid, or have signed Saben Lee into a regular 3 years contract instead of a 2 way deal, but still this trade was good for us, and I remember liking it at the time, but the trade was better than I anticipated.

I will give you something tho. I find entertaining when people try to prove me wrong and they can't, and then they make a laughable argument, just for the sake of it.

My stance is legit. I do think Weaver did a lot of damage to our franchise, I never wanted us to go full Philly/process mode, I always wanted us to go Utah's route instead.

But even going the process path, I would've been fine, if the person doing it was competent. Weaver dumped a bunch of solid/great players just to make a statement, that this is his team and that's pathetic. Bruce Brown would've been good for us, better than Josh Jackson for example (I wanted us to sign Josh Jackson, so I am not saying I am perfect and that I know it all). Do I need to mention Christian Wood again? No right? Derrick Rose was only worth a meh 2nd? Look at what he is doing in the playoffs.

I think a lot of people were depressed with the way things were going for the frachise, so any change of direction is great for them, so they don't stop to think on how things are happening, they're just happy they are happening. Add the fact that people always overhype young players, because they think that guy could be the next big thing (media sell those kids that way, so yeah) and they get excited and stop seeing the young players for what they are.

I mean, most people here still think Jerami Grant is a #1 option and a franchise player, because of his play during the first 2 months of the season, once they got that idea in their mind, they just ignored everything else. They couldn't see how bad his numbers and efficiency regressed and the fact that he was back being the player he was the previous season.

What I am trying to say is, I try to question, and think about things, I don't accept things the way they are presented to me. So no, this is not a long con.

And yes, you proved me wrong, and once that happen, I gladly go and say I was wrong. Weaver did 1 good trade, he got robbed in every trade he did other than that, and the good trade wasn't Kennard + 4 future 2nds for the #19 pick.

I know I’m new here, but I haven’t seen anyone say Grant was a number 1 option. A possible #2 or definite #3 and someone you can put on the opponents #1.

I do agree if you look at Weavers trades they can look like loses, but I think that’s ignoring a lot of variables.

[DBC10]

A lot of people were critical of Weaver's moves in the off-season (myself included), and a lot of those were left eating crow. The only trade you could say we lost was the Bruce Brown one (although it remains to be seen what we do with the Toronto second rounder), but every other trade now seems either neutral or in our favor (less informed posters will bring up the Houston trade but Christian Wood was added later once he had decided to sign with them already, and adding him helped us to increase the protections on the first rounder we sent).

Sadly some will remain stubborn and will rather die with their original opinion even when they're left without an argument to support it.

I always thought the valid criticism or from my head, a head scratcher were the complex waiving sprees, like Dedmon and Z Smith. And then go to sign and possibly outbid on Plumlee and go and find Okafor in the slums. Those two seemed off when we could've just kept Dedmon and honestly our season would've ended more or less the same. All the other moves I was fine with

But regardless, we're here now so it's not a real criticism but rather a...hmm moment and just shrug.

[Manocad]

Bingo. Finally someone smart around here

I’m mildly convinced that your whole stance has been something of a long con

It's not, but before you made that post, I stop for a few moments to think about the trades Weaver did, and I realised that, this was a good trade, could've been better if we kept Tony Bradley who's solid, or have signed Saben Lee into a regular 3 years contract instead of a 2 way deal, but still this trade was good for us, and I remember liking it at the time, but the trade was better than I anticipated.

I will give you something tho. I find entertaining when people try to prove me wrong and they can't, and then they make a laughable argument, just for the sake of it.

My stance is legit. I do think Weaver did a lot of damage to our franchise, I never wanted us to go full Philly/process mode, I always wanted us to go Utah's route instead.

But even going the process path, I would've been fine, if the person doing it was competent. Weaver dumped a bunch of solid/great players just to make a statement, that this is his team and that's pathetic. Bruce Brown would've been good for us, better than Josh Jackson for example (I wanted us to sign Josh Jackson, so I am not saying I am perfect and that I know it all). Do I need to mention Christian Wood again? No right? Derrick Rose was only worth a meh 2nd? Look at what he is doing in the playoffs.

I think a lot of people were depressed with the way things were going for the frachise, so any change of direction is great for them, so they don't stop to think on how things are happening, they're just happy they are happening. Add the fact that people always overhype young players, because they think that guy could be the next big thing (media sell those kids that way, so yeah) and they get excited and stop seeing the young players for what they are.

I mean, most people here still think Jerami Grant is a #1 option and a franchise player, because of his play during the first 2 months of the season, once they got that idea in their mind, they just ignored everything else. They couldn't see how bad his numbers and efficiency regressed and the fact that he was back being the player he was the previous season.

What I am trying to say is, I try to question, and think about things, I don't accept things the way they are presented to me. So no, this is not a long con.

And yes, you proved me wrong, and once that happen, I gladly go and say I was wrong. Weaver did 1 good trade, he got robbed in every trade he did other than that, and the good trade wasn't Kennard + 4 future 2nds for the #19 pick.

Your stance isn't legit. One, Weaver didn't go full Philly process mode. So you're wrong about that. Two, you're speaking about Weaver's competency when the only way to grade it is to see how it plays out. No matter how he goes about it, if the Pistons get back to championship level under Weaver then he can hardly be deemed incompetent. The fact that the Pistons now have some young players who appear to be legit long term pieces for a good team doesn't indicate incompetence. You can not like the moves Weaver made but no one would agree he's incompetent. Sure, it's a somewhat subjective term but if you're the only who thinks the definition applies you're wrong. Three, I don't think I've seen a single person here suggest that Jerami Grant is a #1 option moving forward in the rebuild, so you're wrong about that. Four, we all question things. Your allusion to being the only person on this board with an ability to do some critical thinking is not only a statistical impossibility, so you' re wrong about that as well, but it gets into the territory of criticizing the poster and not the post, which is something you've been whining about for months.

You can think Weaver screwed the franchise eight ways to Sunday and you have every right to hold that opinion. But what you're going to get your balls broken about by a lot of people--including me--is taking some high horse position about your stance and criticizing the thinking ability of others while crying foul when anyone criticizes you.

[BIG BEN'S FRO]

Pretty simple way I will evaluate weaver is if his free agent signings have been worth the money. And if the players drafted are good. That’s a pretty good GM if you can win those two categories. If you can make good trades then would make for an outstanding GM. I think I this last one is where Weaver could make his best progress, but if we draft like this and our most expensive free agents are worth it, it’s a solid A- for me.

[Manocad]

Pretty simple way I will evaluate weaver is if his free agent signings have been worth the money. And if the players drafted are good. That’s a pretty good GM if you can win those two categories. If you can make good trades then would make for an outstanding GM. I think I this last one is where Weaver could make his best progress, but if we draft like this and our most expensive free agents are worth it, it’s a solid A- for me.

Apparently that's not how judging a trade works; the outcome has nothing to do with it. According to our resident Weaver hater no player in the last year of a rookie deal plus four future 2nd round picks is ever worth the #19 pick. It doesn't matter if that rookie player flops for the rest of the his career or the player taken at #19, who was the reason for the trade, is the next Jordan--it's still an incompetent trade.

[zeebneeb]

I’m mildly convinced that your whole stance has been something of a long con

It's not, but before you made that post, I stop for a few moments to think about the trades Weaver did, and I realised that, this was a good trade, could've been better if we kept Tony Bradley who's solid, or have signed Saben Lee into a regular 3 years contract instead of a 2 way deal, but still this trade was good for us, and I remember liking it at the time, but the trade was better than I anticipated.

I will give you something tho. I find entertaining when people try to prove me wrong and they can't, and then they make a laughable argument, just for the sake of it.

My stance is legit. I do think Weaver did a lot of damage to our franchise, I never wanted us to go full Philly/process mode, I always wanted us to go Utah's route instead.

But even going the process path, I would've been fine, if the person doing it was competent. Weaver dumped a bunch of solid/great players just to make a statement, that this is his team and that's pathetic. Bruce Brown would've been good for us, better than Josh Jackson for example (I wanted us to sign Josh Jackson, so I am not saying I am perfect and that I know it all). Do I need to mention Christian Wood again? No right? Derrick Rose was only worth a meh 2nd? Look at what he is doing in the playoffs.

I think a lot of people were depressed with the way things were going for the frachise, so any change of direction is great for them, so they don't stop to think on how things are happening, they're just happy they are happening. Add the fact that people always overhype young players, because they think that guy could be the next big thing (media sell those kids that way, so yeah) and they get excited and stop seeing the young players for what they are.

I mean, most people here still think Jerami Grant is a #1 option and a franchise player, because of his play during the first 2 months of the season, once they got that idea in their mind, they just ignored everything else. They couldn't see how bad his numbers and efficiency regressed and the fact that he was back being the player he was the previous season.

What I am trying to say is, I try to question, and think about things, I don't accept things the way they are presented to me. So no, this is not a long con.

And yes, you proved me wrong, and once that happen, I gladly go and say I was wrong. Weaver did 1 good trade, he got robbed in every trade he did other than that, and the good trade wasn't Kennard + 4 future 2nds for the #19 pick.

Your stance isn't legit. One, Weaver didn't go full Philly process mode. So you're wrong about that. Two, you're speaking about Weaver's competency when the only way to grade it is to see how it plays out. No matter how he goes about it, if the Pistons get back to championship level under Weaver then he can hardly be deemed incompetent. The fact that the Pistons now have some young players who appear to be legit long term pieces for a good team doesn't indicate incompetence. You can not like the moves Weaver made but no one would agree he's incompetent. Sure, it's a somewhat subjective term but if you're the only who thinks the definition applies you're wrong. Three, I don't think I've seen a single person here suggest that Jerami Grant is a #1 option moving forward in the rebuild, so you're wrong about that. Four, we all question things. Your allusion to being the only person on this board with an ability to do some critical thinking is not only a statistical impossibility, so you' re wrong about that as well, but it gets into the territory of criticizing the poster and not the post, which is something you've been whining about for months.

You can think Weaver screwed the franchise eight ways to Sunday and you have every right to hold that opinion. But what you're going to get your balls broken about by a lot of people--including me--is taking some high horse position about your stance and criticizing the thinking ability of others while crying foul when anyone criticizes you.

Well said, and I also want to emphasize that I as well don't remember a single person saying Grant is a franchise player, or #1 option, let alone "most people" here on the Pistons board.

That is just a flat-out lie in an attempt to bolster your own viewpoint, which is out on it's own island.

Absolutely bizarre.

[chrbal]

Bingo. Finally someone smart around here

I’m mildly convinced that your whole stance has been something of a long con

It's not, but before you made that post, I stop for a few moments to think about the trades Weaver did, and I realised that, this was a good trade, could've been better if we kept Tony Bradley who's solid, or have signed Saben Lee into a regular 3 years contract instead of a 2 way deal, but still this trade was good for us, and I remember liking it at the time, but the trade was better than I anticipated.

I will give you something tho. I find entertaining when people try to prove me wrong and they can't, and then they make a laughable argument, just for the sake of it.

My stance is legit. I do think Weaver did a lot of damage to our franchise, I never wanted us to go full Philly/process mode, I always wanted us to go Utah's route instead.

But even going the process path, I would've been fine, if the person doing it was competent. Weaver dumped a bunch of solid/great players just to make a statement, that this is his team and that's pathetic. Bruce Brown would've been good for us, better than Josh Jackson for example (I wanted us to sign Josh Jackson, so I am not saying I am perfect and that I know it all). Do I need to mention Christian Wood again? No right? Derrick Rose was only worth a meh 2nd? Look at what he is doing in the playoffs.

I think a lot of people were depressed with the way things were going for the frachise, so any change of direction is great for them, so they don't stop to think on how things are happening, they're just happy they are happening. Add the fact that people always overhype young players, because they think that guy could be the next big thing (media sell those kids that way, so yeah) and they get excited and stop seeing the young players for what they are.

I mean, most people here still think Jerami Grant is a #1 option and a franchise player, because of his play during the first 2 months of the season, once they got that idea in their mind, they just ignored everything else. They couldn't see how bad his numbers and efficiency regressed and the fact that he was back being the player he was the previous season.

What I am trying to say is, I try to question, and think about things, I don't accept things the way they are presented to me. So no, this is not a long con.

And yes, you proved me wrong, and once that happen, I gladly go and say I was wrong. Weaver did 1 good trade, he got robbed in every trade he did other than that, and the good trade wasn't Kennard + 4 future 2nds for the #19 pick.

No one ever said Grant is/should be our number one option long term.

Bruce wouldn’t be producing the same here, his role would immensely different.

The Derrick trade was hindered by Detroit allowing him to pick his destination. But it’s not like we would’ve got some immaculately better return in a different trade. He still has an injury history and he still is a rental.

I think it’s just odd to declare a trade a win loss or robbery right away. By that logic the tigers robbed the Braves in 1987 when they got doyle Alexander and he went 9-0 during there pennant run.

I would argue we did some very meh moves, there’s no way we lost the jazz trade, but most of our transactions were made with an eye towards the future.

The only real questionable ones are signing plumlee with where we are at in the rebuild, we could’ve probably got something useable for Bradley, it was too early to bring devidis over, and acquiring Dedmon to cut him to sign plumlee.

Beyond that it’s nitpicking without all the information in my opinion.

[SamFlow]

i was definitely a fan of kennard's but understood his limitations. at the time of the trade i totally understood why they did it - it didn't make any sense for our timeline to pay role players/sixth men types.

i just didn't think he'd be anywhere this bad for the clippers though. i thought he'd at least be a floor spacer for kawhi/george if not a spark plug/facilitator off the bench. i haven't watched a minute of the clippers this year, does anyone know if it is his defense keeping him out of the rotation?

also little fun fact: the clippers' three best shooters from 3 this season (by percentage) are marcus morris, luke kennard and reggie jackson.

There are former Pistons playing prominent roles all throughout the playoffs. Its crazy.

When healthy, Detroit had a great bench unit.... unfortunately they were all in the starting unit. Don't be going crazy for stats from players on horrible teams. Bench players killing it on winning teams, but not the other way around.

Even with our players now, let's see if a couple more players and tweaks to the roster can turn into the playoffs and then we will know what kind of players we really have.

[DetroitSho]

It's not, but before you made that post, I stop for a few moments to think about the trades Weaver did, and I realised that, this was a good trade, could've been better if we kept Tony Bradley who's solid, or have signed Saben Lee into a regular 3 years contract instead of a 2 way deal, but still this trade was good for us, and I remember liking it at the time, but the trade was better than I anticipated.

I will give you something tho. I find entertaining when people try to prove me wrong and they can't, and then they make a laughable argument, just for the sake of it.

My stance is legit. I do think Weaver did a lot of damage to our franchise, I never wanted us to go full Philly/process mode, I always wanted us to go Utah's route instead.

But even going the process path, I would've been fine, if the person doing it was competent. Weaver dumped a bunch of solid/great players just to make a statement, that this is his team and that's pathetic. Bruce Brown would've been good for us, better than Josh Jackson for example (I wanted us to sign Josh Jackson, so I am not saying I am perfect and that I know it all). Do I need to mention Christian Wood again? No right? Derrick Rose was only worth a meh 2nd? Look at what he is doing in the playoffs.

I think a lot of people were depressed with the way things were going for the frachise, so any change of direction is great for them, so they don't stop to think on how things are happening, they're just happy they are happening. Add the fact that people always overhype young players, because they think that guy could be the next big thing (media sell those kids that way, so yeah) and they get excited and stop seeing the young players for what they are.

I mean, most people here still think Jerami Grant is a #1 option and a franchise player, because of his play during the first 2 months of the season, once they got that idea in their mind, they just ignored everything else. They couldn't see how bad his numbers and efficiency regressed and the fact that he was back being the player he was the previous season.

What I am trying to say is, I try to question, and think about things, I don't accept things the way they are presented to me. So no, this is not a long con.

And yes, you proved me wrong, and once that happen, I gladly go and say I was wrong. Weaver did 1 good trade, he got robbed in every trade he did other than that, and the good trade wasn't Kennard + 4 future 2nds for the #19 pick.

Your stance isn't legit. One, Weaver didn't go full Philly process mode. So you're wrong about that. Two, you're speaking about Weaver's competency when the only way to grade it is to see how it plays out. No matter how he goes about it, if the Pistons get back to championship level under Weaver then he can hardly be deemed incompetent. The fact that the Pistons now have some young players who appear to be legit long term pieces for a good team doesn't indicate incompetence. You can not like the moves Weaver made but no one would agree he's incompetent. Sure, it's a somewhat subjective term but if you're the only who thinks the definition applies you're wrong. Three, I don't think I've seen a single person here suggest that Jerami Grant is a #1 option moving forward in the rebuild, so you're wrong about that. Four, we all question things. Your allusion to being the only person on this board with an ability to do some critical thinking is not only a statistical impossibility, so you' re wrong about that as well, but it gets into the territory of criticizing the poster and not the post, which is something you've been whining about for months.

You can think Weaver screwed the franchise eight ways to Sunday and you have every right to hold that opinion. But what you're going to get your balls broken about by a lot of people--including me--is taking some high horse position about your stance and criticizing the thinking ability of others while crying foul when anyone criticizes you.

Well said, and I also want to emphasize that I as well don't remember a single person saying Grant is a franchise player, or #1 option, let alone "most people" here on the Pistons board.

That is just a flat-out lie in an attempt to bolster your own viewpoint, which is out on it's own island.

Absolutely bizarre.

At this point I think it's time to use his lame tactic and everybody just put him on ignore. He offers nothing outside of comedy relief.

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