Draft Thread Part 4

[OakleyDokely]

None of the guys after the top 5 are projected to have star potential. Otherwise they’d be in the top 5 themselves. All of these guys in the mid to late lotto have serious question marks. Apparently nobody saw superstar potential in Donovan Mitchell either who isn’t even 6ft 2 himself.

Bevelerly is his absolute floor. But to suggest he doesn’t have upside with his quickness, ability to shoot off the dribble (something smart not Beverley never showed on college) as well as his work ethic is absurd to me. So many on here obsessed with measurements and age I swear.

Not obssessed with age at all. But I do have higher expectations for 22/23 year old college ballers than 18/19 year old ones.

He won a national championship as his teams best and most important player. Doesn’t get much better than that dude.

He could’ve averaged 18-20ppg playing in a crap conference for a crap team.

Juding players on college wins isn't a good drafting philosophy.

His tourney numbers weren't great either, at least towards the end. Very inefficient from a shooting standpoint. Agsinst Gonzaga and Houston he shot a combined 10/26.

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Jalen Johnson just seems like the type of guy that'll be out of the league in 2-3 years.

Possibly. But I see him as a guy that goes low in the draft and people wonder 2-3 years from now why he wasn't taken higher. Similar to Robert WIlliams or MPJ

[Jadoogar]

None of the guys after the top 5 are projected to have star potential. Otherwise they’d be in the top 5 themselves. All of these guys in the mid to late lotto have serious question marks. Apparently nobody saw superstar potential in Donovan Mitchell either who isn’t even 6ft 2 himself.

Bevelerly is his absolute floor. But to suggest he doesn’t have upside with his quickness, ability to shoot off the dribble (something smart not Beverley never showed on college) as well as his work ethic is absurd to me. So many on here obsessed with measurements and age I swear.

Not obssessed with age at all. But I do have higher expectations for 22/23 year old college ballers than 18/19 year old ones.

He won a national championship as his teams best and most important player. Doesn’t get much better than that dude.

He could’ve averaged 18-20ppg playing in a crap conference for a crap team.

So was Sean May, this isn't a good argument.

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VV, Beverely, Smart are all-defensive caliber guards who can knock down 3s. If Mitchell turns out like that, he will be a success. It's definitely not a lock that happens.

I just don't see where people are seeing star potential with him.

None of the guys after the top 5 are projected to have star potential. Otherwise they’d be in the top 5 themselves. All of these guys in the mid to late lotto have serious question marks. Apparently nobody saw superstar potential in Donovan Mitchell either who isn’t even 6ft 2 himself.

Bevelerly is his absolute floor. But to suggest he doesn’t have upside with his quickness, ability to shoot off the dribble (something smart not Beverley never showed on college) as well as his work ethic is absurd to me. So many on here obsessed with measurements and age I swear.

Not obssessed with age at all. But I do have higher expectations for 22/23 year old college ballers than 18/19 year old ones.

I've repeated this so many times re: Davion. Nothing wrong with his age at #7 if he showed much more polish in his game. He's going to need some time to develop which isn't ideal from a senior

[Indeed]

Not obssessed with age at all. But I do have higher expectations for 22/23 year old college ballers than 18/19 year old ones.

He won a national championship as his teams best and most important player. Doesn’t get much better than that dude.

He could’ve averaged 18-20ppg playing in a crap conference for a crap team.

So was Sean May, this isn't a good argument.

The best would look at the skills and attributes that can transfer into the NBA, and Davion has some of the elite attributes that people agreed to work at the NBA level.

As for the younger prospects, they are list as "potential to create his own shot", while people believe Davion can "create his own shot". That is definitely not the right comparison with Smart, lol.

[Psubs]

Jalen Johnson just seems like the type of guy that'll be out of the league in 2-3 years.

Possibly. But I see him as a guy that goes low in the draft and people wonder 2-3 years from now why he wasn't taken higher. Similar to Robert WIlliams or MPJ

I would say James Johnson floor with better shooting and mini-MPJr would be is absolute ceiling. I think at best he's a #2 option but probably a #3 at best on a championship team like Pascal.

[Jadoogar]

He won a national championship as his teams best and most important player. Doesn’t get much better than that dude.

He could’ve averaged 18-20ppg playing in a crap conference for a crap team.

So was Sean May, this isn't a good argument.

The best would look at the skills and attributes that can transfer into the NBA, and Davion has some of the elite attributes that people agreed to work at the NBA level.

As for the younger prospects, they are list as "potential to create his own shot", while people believe Davion can "create his own shot". That is definitely not the right comparison with Smart, lol.

If the shooting is a fluke (extremely possible considering the big jump this season), i feel he's going to be too small to efficiently create his shot or finish at the rim.
Yes he has a skillset but small guard that can't finish at the rim is something we already have plenty of.

[Marty_Budda]

Not obssessed with age at all. But I do have higher expectations for 22/23 year old college ballers than 18/19 year old ones.

He won a national championship as his teams best and most important player. Doesn’t get much better than that dude.

He could’ve averaged 18-20ppg playing in a crap conference for a crap team.

Juding players on college wins isn't a good drafting philosophy.

His tourney numbers weren't very good either. Very inefficient from a shooting standpoint.

I agree. Neither is judging players based on ppg while not taking context into consideration like sharing the ball with 2 other guys who’ll probably get drafted.

Also He played 6 games in the tourney. Hardly a big enough sample size. And his efficiency was still above average.

[tdotrep2]

NO CAP i get some stanley johnson vibes from jalen, the way he moves around kinda weird

[720]

None of the guys after the top 5 are projected to have star potential. Otherwise they’d be in the top 5 themselves. All of these guys in the mid to late lotto have serious question marks. Apparently nobody saw superstar potential in Donovan Mitchell either who isn’t even 6ft 2 himself.

Bevelerly is his absolute floor. But to suggest he doesn’t have upside with his quickness, ability to shoot off the dribble (something smart not Beverley never showed on college) as well as his work ethic is absurd to me. So many on here obsessed with measurements and age I swear.

Not obssessed with age at all. But I do have higher expectations for 22/23 year old college ballers than 18/19 year old ones.

I've repeated this so many times re: Davion. Nothing wrong with his age at #7 if he showed much more polish in his game. He's going to need some time to develop which isn't ideal from a senior

Turns 23 when his rookie season starts and turns 24 by his sophomore year.

He’s going to start his prime in the third year of his rookie deal.

[Psubs]

I would be okay taking Bouknight #6 so at #7 sure. Just wondering if he'll be a 24ppg chucker or continue to develop like Kobe.

I wonder if Jalen Green is more like a mini Vince Carter while Bouknight is more like a Kobe, stylistically.

[OakleyDokely]

He won a national championship as his teams best and most important player. Doesn’t get much better than that dude.

He could’ve averaged 18-20ppg playing in a crap conference for a crap team.

Juding players on college wins isn't a good drafting philosophy.

His tourney numbers weren't very good either. Very inefficient from a shooting standpoint.

I agree. Neither is judging players based on ppg while not taking context into consideration like sharing the ball with 2 other guys who’ll probably get drafted.

Also He played 6 games in the tourney. Hardly a big enough sample size. And his efficiency was still above average.

But Im not judging him based on PPG. I'm judging him based on his shooting, FT rate, size etc.

[Marty_Budda]

Not obssessed with age at all. But I do have higher expectations for 22/23 year old college ballers than 18/19 year old ones.

I've repeated this so many times re: Davion. Nothing wrong with his age at #7 if he showed much more polish in his game. He's going to need some time to develop which isn't ideal from a senior

Turns 23 when his rookie season starts and turns 24 by his sophomore year.

He’s going to start his prime while still in a rookie deal.

Prime is typically 27-32. So idk what you’re talking about.

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So was Sean May, this isn't a good argument.

The best would look at the skills and attributes that can transfer into the NBA, and Davion has some of the elite attributes that people agreed to work at the NBA level.

As for the younger prospects, they are list as "potential to create his own shot", while people believe Davion can "create his own shot". That is definitely not the right comparison with Smart, lol.

If the shooting is a fluke (extremely possible considering the big jump this season), i feel he's going to be too small to efficiently create his shot or finish at the rim.
Yes he has a skillset but small guard that can't finish at the rim is something we already have plenty of.

Small? He is pretty much average with over 205lb. His finishing at rim is pretty elite with his craftiness and floater at college.
And if he is small, what is Flynn at 175lb? Tiny?

[720]

I've repeated this so many times re: Davion. Nothing wrong with his age at #7 if he showed much more polish in his game. He's going to need some time to develop which isn't ideal from a senior

Turns 23 when his rookie season starts and turns 24 by his sophomore year.

He’s going to start his prime while still in a rookie deal.

Prime is typically 27-32. So idk what you’re talking about.

Nah, most guys start their upward trend by their mid 20s.

[Psubs]

Turns 23 when his rookie season starts and turns 24 by his sophomore year.

He’s going to start his prime while still in a rookie deal.

Prime is typically 27-32. So idk what you’re talking about.

Nah, most guys start their upward trend by their mid 20s.

Ya, the really great ones have a prime of 23-33.

Some might have peak prime around 27-32, but it's not THAT much higher than their pre-post numbers.

[Marty_Budda]

Juding players on college wins isn't a good drafting philosophy.

His tourney numbers weren't very good either. Very inefficient from a shooting standpoint.

I agree. Neither is judging players based on ppg while not taking context into consideration like sharing the ball with 2 other guys who’ll probably get drafted.

Also He played 6 games in the tourney. Hardly a big enough sample size. And his efficiency was still above average.

But Im not judging him based on PPG. I'm judging him based on his shooting, FT rate, size etc.

His shooting was great. You’re mentioning his previous years like it’s impossible for a 21 year old kid to get better. His shot off the dribble looks smooth and he can improve it. You’re comparing to Beverley and smart yet they never showed shot creation like Mitchell did. His ft% is a flaw for sure. But to base your entire argument for not drafting him around a 65% FT% for a #7 pick that has all these other things going for him is crazy.

Also ft% and 3pt shooting doesn’t always correlate. Case in point luka doncic, or og his first couple of years.

[WuTang_CMB]

I would be okay taking Bouknight #6 so at #7 sure. Just wondering if he'll be a 24ppg chucker or continue to develop like Kobe.

I wonder if Jalen Green is more like a mini Vince Carter while Bouknight is more like a Kobe, stylistically.

Fk ... if we can land in the top 3, and it goes 1 Cade 2 Mobley ... we are laughing. We take Green and run.

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Prime is typically 27-32. So idk what you’re talking about.

Nah, most guys start their upward trend by their mid 20s.

Ya, the really great ones have a prime of 23-33.

Some might have peak prime around 27-32, but it's not THAT much higher than their pre-post numbers.

I was more thinking 24-25 since he’ll still be in his rookie deal at that age.

[OakleyDokely]

Gonzaga and Houston were full of future NBA draft picks.

Against Gonzaga, he shot 6-15 (15 pts)
Against Houston, he shot 4-11 (12 pts)

Yes his team won, but he didnt dominate. His shooting was actualmt below average.

It was actually his teammate Jared Butler who stepped up offensively. He shot 6/9 (17 pts) vs HOU and 6/14 (22 pts) against Gonzaga.