2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[stuporman]

Do people really want to trade up using multiple draft assets to take someone who is shooting 29% from 3 in college after watching the Knicks this playoff series?

So the Knicks should trade themselves into one single 1st rounder and add someone who will join the outhouse builders union they have been collecting?

Every player the Knicks add must shoot well from deep.....

[Celo]

Do people really want to trade up using multiple draft assets to take someone who is shooting 29% from 3 in college after watching the Knicks this playoff series?

So the Knicks should trade themselves into one single 1st rounder and add someone who will join the outhouse builders union they have been collecting?

Every player the Knicks add must shoot well from deep.....

In my opinion, you can't just look at the raw numbers and then assume he won't be able to shoot. Take a look at last year's draft threads and all the posts about LaMelo not being able to shoot. Melo simply had an awful shot selection with some mechanical issues, which tanked his 3pt% severely. And while he isn't a knockdown shooter, he improved his percentage by 10% in a 1 year timespan while playing in a better league.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Bouknight will be a 40% shooter in year 2. But to me there are enough reasons to be optimistic about his shot. His mechanics look good, he has good finishing touch and he's solid from the ft line. I'd much rather take a shot at a maybe only league average shooter who can get his shot off whenever he wants, instead of getting a 40%+ shooter that is worthless if he isn't set up properly (Bullock anyone?! ).

Plus Bouknight offers more than the generic shooting prospects that you can get in every draft. Not saying we should avoid them. But we shouldn't draft a player just because he shot a decent percentage in college/overseas.

[RHODEY]

[knickstape4ever]

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reminds me a lot of Zach LaVine

[stuporman]

Do people really want to trade up using multiple draft assets to take someone who is shooting 29% from 3 in college after watching the Knicks this playoff series?

So the Knicks should trade themselves into one single 1st rounder and add someone who will join the outhouse builders union they have been collecting?

Every player the Knicks add must shoot well from deep.....

In my opinion, you can't just look at the raw numbers and then assume he won't be able to shoot. Take a look at last year's draft threads and all the posts about LaMelo not being able to shoot. Melo simply had an awful shot selection with some mechanical issues, which tanked his 3pt% severely. And while he isn't a knockdown shooter, he improved his percentage by 10% in a 1 year timespan while playing in a better league.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Bouknight will be a 40% shooter in year 2. But to me there are enough reasons to be optimistic about his shot. His mechanics look good, he has good finishing touch and he's solid from the ft line. I'd much rather take a shot at a maybe only league average shooter who can get his shot off whenever he wants, instead of getting a 40%+ shooter that is worthless if he isn't set up properly (Bullock anyone?! ).

Plus Bouknight offers more than the generic shooting prospects that you can get in every draft. Not saying we should avoid them. But we shouldn't draft a player just because he shot a decent percentage in college/overseas.

So trading up using multiple draft assets to take someone who hasn't proven they can shoot? No thanks.

...and before you try to dance around, no, he's not LaMelo.

If he drops, sure, take a chance on the talent but no trading up for him.

[knickstape4ever]

Do people really want to trade up using multiple draft assets to take someone who is shooting 29% from 3 in college after watching the Knicks this playoff series?

So the Knicks should trade themselves into one single 1st rounder and add someone who will join the outhouse builders union they have been collecting?

Every player the Knicks add must shoot well from deep.....

In my opinion, you can't just look at the raw numbers and then assume he won't be able to shoot. Take a look at last year's draft threads and all the posts about LaMelo not being able to shoot. Melo simply had an awful shot selection with some mechanical issues, which tanked his 3pt% severely. And while he isn't a knockdown shooter, he improved his percentage by 10% in a 1 year timespan while playing in a better league.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Bouknight will be a 40% shooter in year 2. But to me there are enough reasons to be optimistic about his shot. His mechanics look good, he has good finishing touch and he's solid from the ft line. I'd much rather take a shot at a maybe only league average shooter who can get his shot off whenever he wants, instead of getting a 40%+ shooter that is worthless if he isn't set up properly (Bullock anyone?! ).

Plus Bouknight offers more than the generic shooting prospects that you can get in every draft. Not saying we should avoid them. But we shouldn't draft a player just because he shot a decent percentage in college/overseas.

So trading up using multiple draft assets to take someone who hasn't proven they can shoot? No thanks.

...and before you try to dance around, no, he's not LaMelo.

If he drops, sure, take a chance on the talent but no trading up for him.

Anthony Edwards shot 29% from 3 and went #1

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Do people really want to trade up using multiple draft assets to take someone who is shooting 29% from 3 in college after watching the Knicks this playoff series?

So the Knicks should trade themselves into one single 1st rounder and add someone who will join the outhouse builders union they have been collecting?

Every player the Knicks add must shoot well from deep.....

In my opinion, you can't just look at the raw numbers and then assume he won't be able to shoot. Take a look at last year's draft threads and all the posts about LaMelo not being able to shoot. Melo simply had an awful shot selection with some mechanical issues, which tanked his 3pt% severely. And while he isn't a knockdown shooter, he improved his percentage by 10% in a 1 year timespan while playing in a better league.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Bouknight will be a 40% shooter in year 2. But to me there are enough reasons to be optimistic about his shot. His mechanics look good, he has good finishing touch and he's solid from the ft line. I'd much rather take a shot at a maybe only league average shooter who can get his shot off whenever he wants, instead of getting a 40%+ shooter that is worthless if he isn't set up properly (Bullock anyone?! ).

Plus Bouknight offers more than the generic shooting prospects that you can get in every draft. Not saying we should avoid them. But we shouldn't draft a player just because he shot a decent percentage in college/overseas.

So trading up using multiple draft assets to take someone who hasn't proven they can shoot? No thanks.

...and before you try to dance around, no, he's not LaMelo.

If he drops, sure, take a chance on the talent but no trading up for him.

If that's the guy they want then yeah you trade up for him, I really doubt we're going to play 2 rookies next season so trading 2 for one makes the most sense.


As for his ability to shoot, if he's making mid-range jumpers, has a nice handle and shoots well from the line you can build off of that. I feel like for wings right now the most important thing is whether or not they can dribble, do you have moves or not, the rest can be built if your shot isn't fundamentally broken. Bouknight has a handle, has good size, and has shown the ability to create shots off the dribble, that is an excellent starting point regardless of his current three point shooting percentage.

[stuporman]

In my opinion, you can't just look at the raw numbers and then assume he won't be able to shoot. Take a look at last year's draft threads and all the posts about LaMelo not being able to shoot. Melo simply had an awful shot selection with some mechanical issues, which tanked his 3pt% severely. And while he isn't a knockdown shooter, he improved his percentage by 10% in a 1 year timespan while playing in a better league.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Bouknight will be a 40% shooter in year 2. But to me there are enough reasons to be optimistic about his shot. His mechanics look good, he has good finishing touch and he's solid from the ft line. I'd much rather take a shot at a maybe only league average shooter who can get his shot off whenever he wants, instead of getting a 40%+ shooter that is worthless if he isn't set up properly (Bullock anyone?! ).

Plus Bouknight offers more than the generic shooting prospects that you can get in every draft. Not saying we should avoid them. But we shouldn't draft a player just because he shot a decent percentage in college/overseas.

So trading up using multiple draft assets to take someone who hasn't proven they can shoot? No thanks.

...and before you try to dance around, no, he's not LaMelo.

If he drops, sure, take a chance on the talent but no trading up for him.

Anthony Edwards shot 29% from 3 and went #1

They traded up for him?

[stuporman]

In my opinion, you can't just look at the raw numbers and then assume he won't be able to shoot. Take a look at last year's draft threads and all the posts about LaMelo not being able to shoot. Melo simply had an awful shot selection with some mechanical issues, which tanked his 3pt% severely. And while he isn't a knockdown shooter, he improved his percentage by 10% in a 1 year timespan while playing in a better league.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Bouknight will be a 40% shooter in year 2. But to me there are enough reasons to be optimistic about his shot. His mechanics look good, he has good finishing touch and he's solid from the ft line. I'd much rather take a shot at a maybe only league average shooter who can get his shot off whenever he wants, instead of getting a 40%+ shooter that is worthless if he isn't set up properly (Bullock anyone?! ).

Plus Bouknight offers more than the generic shooting prospects that you can get in every draft. Not saying we should avoid them. But we shouldn't draft a player just because he shot a decent percentage in college/overseas.

So trading up using multiple draft assets to take someone who hasn't proven they can shoot? No thanks.

...and before you try to dance around, no, he's not LaMelo.

If he drops, sure, take a chance on the talent but no trading up for him.

If that's the guy they want then yeah you trade up for him, I really doubt we're going to play 2 rookies next season so trading 2 for one makes the most sense.


As for his ability to shoot, if he's making mid-range jumpers, has a nice handle and shoots well from the line you can build off of that. I feel like for wings right now the most important thing is whether or not they can dribble, do you have moves or not, the rest can be built if your shot isn't fundamentally broken. Bouknight has a handle, has good size, and has shown the ability to create shots off the dribble, that is an excellent starting point regardless of his current three point shooting percentage.

Obi was their guy, too and if they used both their picks to trade up all they would have is Obi and no IQ....how would have that worked out?

Sure, use all the picks on a guy who will add to the streaky chuckers the Knicks are collecting. Then cry about them all season long....

Oh...and he better not be their guy, he's not all that.

[knickstape4ever]

So trading up using multiple draft assets to take someone who hasn't proven they can shoot? No thanks.

...and before you try to dance around, no, he's not LaMelo.

If he drops, sure, take a chance on the talent but no trading up for him.

Anthony Edwards shot 29% from 3 and went #1

They traded up for him?

no, but why does it matter? it's about whether or not you believe in the talent

[stuporman]

Anthony Edwards shot 29% from 3 and went #1

They traded up for him?

no, but why does it matter? it's about whether or not you believe in the talent

I'm so glad nobody on this board has any say in what the Knicks do....

[knickstape4ever]

They traded up for him?

no, but why does it matter? it's about whether or not you believe in the talent

I'm so glad nobody on this board has any say in what the Knicks do....

really not seeing what your point is....you wouldn't trade up for him just b/c he shot 29% from 3?

that's like saying you wouldn't trade up for Anthony Edwards b/c he shot 29% from 3. w/ Edwards looking like a future star, I bet a lot of teams wish they traded up for him....

context matters, and if you actually watched Bouknight play, you'd see that he took a lot of tough off the dribble 3's

in terms of skillset tho, Bouknight is:
-very athletic
-can score at all 3 levels/shoot off the dribble
-is a smart cutter
-aggressive on the offensive boards
-solid form on his jumper/good touch (good FT%)
-great handle w/ ELITE hesitation move

if you expect an all-star caliber talent to fall into your lap at 19 and 21, good luck star talent overwhelmingly comes in the lottery and if you really believe in a player, makes sense to move up to get them....Jazz sure don't regret moving up for Donovan Mitchell who had a FG% of just 40.8%....context matters when scouting; can't just look at the box score

I'm also making this argument as someone who really wants to keep both 1sts b/c IMO we badly need multiple pieces for the future since we currently don't have many core players

[NoDopeOnSundays]

So trading up using multiple draft assets to take someone who hasn't proven they can shoot? No thanks.

...and before you try to dance around, no, he's not LaMelo.

If he drops, sure, take a chance on the talent but no trading up for him.

If that's the guy they want then yeah you trade up for him, I really doubt we're going to play 2 rookies next season so trading 2 for one makes the most sense.


As for his ability to shoot, if he's making mid-range jumpers, has a nice handle and shoots well from the line you can build off of that. I feel like for wings right now the most important thing is whether or not they can dribble, do you have moves or not, the rest can be built if your shot isn't fundamentally broken. Bouknight has a handle, has good size, and has shown the ability to create shots off the dribble, that is an excellent starting point regardless of his current three point shooting percentage.

Obi was their guy, too and if they used both their picks to trade up all they would have is Obi and no IQ....how would have that worked out?

Sure, use all the picks on a guy who will add to the streaky chuckers the Knicks are collecting. Then cry about them all season long....

Oh...and he better not be their guy, he's not all that.

But, they didn't need to trade up to get Obi, and truth be told Obi's actually looked good the last few weeks, he's basically John Collins which for 8 is fine. If they feel Bouknight is the most talented player they can get and we're not going to play 2 more rookies next year I don't see the issue with going after him.

Other than the 3 point shooting what don't you like about him? I feel like the single most important thing that separates guys around his size is a handle, he seems to have one and if you can work on his shot there's a lot to work with, he has the potential to be a 3 level scorer which is something we desperately need on the wing.

[3toheadmelo]

Bouknight is a top 10 talent to me. I would trade up for him if we don’t have to give up much

[knickstape4ever]

Bouknight is a top 10 talent to me. I would trade up for him if we don’t have to give up much

i've got Bouknight as my #6 prospect

I know that might be too high, but the players currently ranked in the 6-10 range: Keon Johnson, Jalen Johnson, Scottie Barnes aren't good shooters and if their shot don't develop, their games will be limited in today's NBA

[stuporman]

Every year it's the same thing with these draft threads, people never learn.

Each draft there are players drafted outside the top10, even outside the lottery that are better than at least 1 of not more than 1 player taken in the top 10.... every draft guaranteed.

[Fat]

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When you pop in 2k and pick the all red defensive pie chart for your Myplayer.

Wouldn’t mind replacing Noel with garuba

[3toheadmelo]

Bouknight is a top 10 talent to me. I would trade up for him if we don’t have to give up much

i've got Bouknight as my #6 prospect

I know that might be too high, but the players currently ranked in the 6-10 range: Keon Johnson, Jalen Johnson, Scottie Barnes aren't good shooters and if their shot don't develop, their games will be limited in today's NBA

I think I have him ranked as high as #6 too. I’m not feeling those players that you named too. I think I only like Jalen Johnson, but not even for the Knicks.

[finestrg]

A buddy of mine just texted me about Trey Murphy from Virginia.

Wasn't familiar so I just looked at his numbers and some tape. The first thing that pops out is his size and length (6'9", 7'1" wingspan). He's a junior -- spent 2 years at Rice and 1 at Virginia. 3-pt shooting numbers have been high all 3 years (over 40% combined over his 3 college seasons). Moves his feel real well on D and with that length, he could be a real disruptor on the defensive end. Also a lob threat that moves well without the ball on O. Looks like a real 3 & D prospect at the SF position. A little trouble creating his own shot (Johnny Juzang, by comparison, can do this well and that's a big reason why i like him a lot for us -- Bullock can't really create anything for himself), but he could get better here as he puts the work in. But the 3-pt shooting, the plus size/length, and the defensive ability are all things we could use out on the wing.

I've been saying Johhny Juzang as a Reggie Bullock replacement but this kid also makes a lot of sense too.

Tankathon has him going late first round (pick 30 I believe). Doesn't look like nbadraft.net even has him on their mock..

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Miles McBride is another guard I like. Love how hard he plays. He is a pitbull on defense.