vege wrote:Manocad wrote:vege wrote:
It's not, but before you made that post, I stop for a few moments to think about the trades Weaver did, and I realised that, this was a good trade, could've been better if we kept Tony Bradley who's solid, or have signed Saben Lee into a regular 3 years contract instead of a 2 way deal, but still this trade was good for us, and I remember liking it at the time, but the trade was better than I anticipated.
I will give you something tho. I find entertaining when people try to prove me wrong and they can't, and then they make a laughable argument, just for the sake of it.
My stance is legit. I do think Weaver did a lot of damage to our franchise, I never wanted us to go full Philly/process mode, I always wanted us to go Utah's route instead.
But even going the process path, I would've been fine, if the person doing it was competent. Weaver dumped a bunch of solid/great players just to make a statement, that this is his team and that's pathetic. Bruce Brown would've been good for us, better than Josh Jackson for example (I wanted us to sign Josh Jackson, so I am not saying I am perfect and that I know it all). Do I need to mention Christian Wood again? No right? Derrick Rose was only worth a meh 2nd? Look at what he is doing in the playoffs.
I think a lot of people were depressed with the way things were going for the frachise, so any change of direction is great for them, so they don't stop to think on how things are happening, they're just happy they are happening. Add the fact that people always overhype young players, because they think that guy could be the next big thing (media sell those kids that way, so yeah) and they get excited and stop seeing the young players for what they are.
I mean, most people here still think Jerami Grant is a #1 option and a franchise player, because of his play during the first 2 months of the season, once they got that idea in their mind, they just ignored everything else. They couldn't see how bad his numbers and efficiency regressed and the fact that he was back being the player he was the previous season.
What I am trying to say is, I try to question, and think about things, I don't accept things the way they are presented to me. So no, this is not a long con.
And yes, you proved me wrong, and once that happen, I gladly go and say I was wrong. Weaver did 1 good trade, he got robbed in every trade he did other than that, and the good trade wasn't Kennard + 4 future 2nds for the #19 pick.
Your stance isn't legit. One, Weaver didn't go full Philly process mode. So you're wrong about that. Two, you're speaking about Weaver's competency when the only way to grade it is to see how it plays out. No matter how he goes about it, if the Pistons get back to championship level under Weaver then he can hardly be deemed incompetent. The fact that the Pistons now have some young players who appear to be legit long term pieces for a good team doesn't indicate incompetence. You can not like the moves Weaver made but no one would agree he's incompetent. Sure, it's a somewhat subjective term but if you're the only who thinks the definition applies you're wrong. Three, I don't think I've seen a single person here suggest that Jerami Grant is a #1 option moving forward in the rebuild, so you're wrong about that. Four, we all question things. Your allusion to being the only person on this board with an ability to do some critical thinking is not only a statistical impossibility, so you' re wrong about that as well, but it gets into the territory of criticizing the poster and not the post, which is something you've been whining about for months.
You can think Weaver screwed the franchise eight ways to Sunday and you have every right to hold that opinion. But what you're going to get your balls broken about by a lot of people--including me--is taking some high horse position about your stance and criticizing the thinking ability of others while crying foul when anyone criticizes you.
You are putting a lot of letters on my fingers, and saying things I never said, and criticising me for that and again, justifying the personal attacks I always get based on that, and that's something I can't accept, and if you continue with that, sadly we'll have a problem.
As for you saying you will continue to disagree with me, that's fine, I have absolutely no problem with that.
This is how Utah built their team, this is impressive and I invite everyone to think about the last few words in this video. I do not like the guy who made this video, but I couldn't agree more with him.
Let's review:
"I never wanted us to go full Philly/process mode." That absolutely implies that Weaver used the same process Philly did. And there is no way you can equate what Weaver did in one year with Philly's situation. You're wrong on that. Period.
"But even going the process path, I would've been fine, if the person doing it was competent. Weaver dumped a bunch of solid/great players just to make a statement, that this is his team and that's pathetic." That absolutely implies that Weaver is incompetent. You may have a couple of people here who agree, but I can tell you that the vast majority of people in this forum, while questioning some of things Weaver did, are generally satisfied with the job he's done in a year. Sports media writers are saying the same things. So by the definition of incompetence, you're wrong. Period.
"Bingo. Finally someone smart around here" and "I think a lot of people were depressed with the way things were going for the frachise, so any change of direction is great for them, so they don't stop to think on how things are happening, they're just happy they are happening...they get excited and stop seeing the young players for what they are.
I mean, most people here still think Jerami Grant is a #1 option and a franchise player, because of his play during the first 2 months of the season, once they got that idea in their mind, they just ignored everything else. They couldn't see how bad his numbers and efficiency regressed and the fact that he was back being the player he was the previous season.
What I am trying to say is, I try to question, and think about things, I don't accept things the way they are presented to me. So no, this is not a long con." Those two statements absolutely imply that not only is everyone else around here not smart, but that they are incapable of considering things the way you do. And as has already been stated by me and others, not one single person here ever suggested Jerami Grant should be considered the #1 option moving forward. You're wrong on that. Period.
I said you've whined about personal attacks while also implying that no one here other than you is smart or capable of critical thought. That is a statement of fact; there is no insult in there in any way. I've been one of the few people who have tried to address you with respect rather than using insults. Will I call something you WROTE ridiculous? Absolutely. And I'll clarify why I think it's ridiculous. That's not an insult. I didn't justify any personal attacks against you; I tried to advise you as to why they're happening and how to potentially avoid them.
Now that we've got all that out of the way, let's make one thing clear--you and I are never going to have a problem. Not now, not ever. This is an internet message board. You have no ability to cause me a problem in any way, shape or form and I have no reason to ever consider even your very existence as being a problem, much less anything you write. A lot of us like to joke around, make light of things but we're still mostly mature and some of us are actually pretty damn smart. But we treat this forum for what it is--AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. You may want to consider doing the same.
