2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[bleedblue3303]

@cgf

I think he’s significantly better than BJ Boston when it comes to self creation. His handle so smooth.

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both need to seriously hit the weight room

I'm torn on them. I'd definitely take the chance on both being 5-star recruits w/ shot creation skills since we've got 2 picks and they're late-ish. and COVID probably made things really tough on freshman, so imma be lenient

The thing with BJ Boston is that I don’t see the shot creation skills with him like I do with Ziarie. For me personally, if the Knicks wanted to take a long term approach I would take Ziarie over BJ with no hesitation. My take could be absolutely off though.

Why not take them both. BJ in the second they obviously have some kind of chemistry as they were both amazing in high school and played on the same team.

[EMG518]

So with Towns #1 overall and Edwards #1 overall and Russell #2 overall (plus Culver #6 overall and Rubio #5 overall) = 23-49-- and you want us to follow Minnesota's lead?

I have no skin in the argument but if you're going to paint an accurate picture maybe take more than 1 team. Most of the playoff teams were drafted. Utah drafted Mitchell and Gobert. Suns drafted Booker and Ayton. Nuggets drafted Jokic and Murray. Blazers drafted Lillard and McCollum. Grizzlies drafted Ja. Mavs drafted Luka. 76ers drafted Embiid and Simmons. Bucks drafted Giannis. Hawks drafted Trae and Collins. Heat drafted Bam and Herro. Celtics drafted Tatum and Brown. Wizards drafted Beal.

Booker #13; Mitchell #13; Gobert #27; Capella # 25; Jokic #41; Giannis #15 ; Bam #14 ; Herro #13 ; McCollum #10
It's about Who is doing the drafting, not did they move up to top5 picks.

The probability is higher in the top 5 of hitting on a pick. How ever you want to paint it the best way to build a team is by drafting talent first.

[robillionaire]

no, but why does it matter? it's about whether or not you believe in the talent

So with Towns #1 overall and Edwards #1 overall and Russell #2 overall (plus Culver #6 overall and Rubio #5 overall) = 23-49-- and you want us to follow Minnesota's lead?

I have no skin in the argument but if you're going to paint an accurate picture maybe take more than 1 team. Most of the playoff teams were drafted. Utah drafted Mitchell and Gobert. Suns drafted Booker and Ayton. Nuggets drafted Jokic and Murray. Blazers drafted Lillard and McCollum. Grizzlies drafted Ja. Mavs drafted Luka. 76ers drafted Embiid and Simmons. Bucks drafted Giannis. Hawks drafted Trae and Collins. Heat drafted Bam and Herro. Celtics drafted Tatum and Brown. Wizards drafted Beal.

It's not like the Knicks are devoid of players that we drafted, RJ, Quickley, Toppin are part of the rotation and we drafted them, Mitch probably would be playing as well if not injured.

[8516knicks]

I have no skin in the argument but if you're going to paint an accurate picture maybe take more than 1 team. Most of the playoff teams were drafted. Utah drafted Mitchell and Gobert. Suns drafted Booker and Ayton. Nuggets drafted Jokic and Murray. Blazers drafted Lillard and McCollum. Grizzlies drafted Ja. Mavs drafted Luka. 76ers drafted Embiid and Simmons. Bucks drafted Giannis. Hawks drafted Trae and Collins. Heat drafted Bam and Herro. Celtics drafted Tatum and Brown. Wizards drafted Beal.

Booker #13; Mitchell #13; Gobert #27; Capella # 25; Jokic #41; Giannis #15 ; Bam #14 ; Herro #13 ; McCollum #10
It's about Who is doing the drafting, not did they move up to top5 picks.

The probability is higher in the top 5 of hitting on a pick. How ever you want to paint it the best way to build a team is by drafting talent first.

Collins was #19, Murray #7 and Lillard # 6. So of the 20 players you mentioned, ELEVEN (55%) were not in the top 5. So that would seem to disprove your assertion "The probability is higher in the top 5 of hitting on a pick." Or you could pick 20 more and try again.

[8516knicks]

So with Towns #1 overall and Edwards #1 overall and Russell #2 overall (plus Culver #6 overall and Rubio #5 overall) = 23-49-- and you want us to follow Minnesota's lead?

I have no skin in the argument but if you're going to paint an accurate picture maybe take more than 1 team. Most of the playoff teams were drafted. Utah drafted Mitchell and Gobert. Suns drafted Booker and Ayton. Nuggets drafted Jokic and Murray. Blazers drafted Lillard and McCollum. Grizzlies drafted Ja. Mavs drafted Luka. 76ers drafted Embiid and Simmons. Bucks drafted Giannis. Hawks drafted Trae and Collins. Heat drafted Bam and Herro. Celtics drafted Tatum and Brown. Wizards drafted Beal.

It's not like the Knicks are devoid of players that we drafted, RJ, Quickley, Toppin are part of the rotation and we drafted them, Mitch probably would be playing as well if not injured.

Every team drafts players most every year. The quality of Knick's picks are another matter totally.

[sol537]

I have a feeling the Knicks will trade all or most of these picks for more proven players.

[WargamesX]

I have a feeling the Knicks will trade all or most of these picks for more proven players.

Depends on the player but in general I hope not. We’re not that good to be “going in” by trading draft picks

[jvsimonetti0514]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

First Ringer mock draft is here and it has KOC breakdowns of every player in the first round. Has us drafting Cooper and Bouknight.

[knickstape4ever]

Booker #13; Mitchell #13; Gobert #27; Capella # 25; Jokic #41; Giannis #15 ; Bam #14 ; Herro #13 ; McCollum #10
It's about Who is doing the drafting, not did they move up to top5 picks.

The probability is higher in the top 5 of hitting on a pick. How ever you want to paint it the best way to build a team is by drafting talent first.

Collins was #19, Murray #7 and Lillard # 6. So of the 20 players you mentioned, ELEVEN (55%) were not in the top 5. So that would seem to disprove your assertion "The probability is higher in the top 5 of hitting on a pick." Or you could pick 20 more and try again.

he's right that the probability of hitting on a top 5 pick is higher. there are more picks between 6-60, which is why there are many all-stars chosen in that range, however, the % chance of finding an all-star 1-5 is still higher than that of 6-60

[knickstape4ever]

I have a feeling the Knicks will trade all or most of these picks for more proven players.

Depends on the player but in general I hope not. We’re not that good to be “going in” by trading draft picks

#19 in last years draft netted Landry Shamet

[WargamesX]

I have a feeling the Knicks will trade all or most of these picks for more proven players.

Depends on the player but in general I hope not. We’re not that good to be “going in” by trading draft picks

#19 in last years draft netted Landry Shamet

It’s a better draft.

It gets said here a lot and they aren’t lying

[Fat]

Plus Cooper doesn’t even have to be the starter. But he can add a completely different dynamic to our offense which is isolation heavy. I would love a two headed monster with him and Quickley as the PG’s. IQ is the shooter, Sharife is the set up guy.

5-of-27 from three, 4-of-17 on pull-ups and 4-of-14 off the catch.

Knicks would need to be real patient on his shooting development he’s definitely a game changer playmaking wise though

[cgf]

Every year it's the same thing with these draft threads, people never learn.

Each draft there are players drafted outside the top10, even outside the lottery that are better than at least 1 of not more than 1 player taken in the top 10.... every draft guaranteed.

I agree, with non-shooters like Randle & Barrett anchoring our offense, we're gunna need a lot of Joe Harrises around them...

[cgf]

A buddy of mine just texted me about Trey Murphy from Virginia.

Wasn't familiar so I just looked at his numbers and some tape. The first thing that pops out is his size and length (6'9", 7'1" wingspan). He's a junior -- spent 2 years at Rice and 1 at Virginia. 3-pt shooting numbers have been high all 3 years (over 40% combined over his 3 college seasons). Moves his feel real well on D and with that length, he could be a real disruptor on the defensive end. Also a lob threat that moves well without the ball on O. Looks like a real 3 & D prospect at the SF position. A little trouble creating his own shot (Johnny Juzang, by comparison, can do this well and that's a big reason why i like him a lot for us -- Bullock can't really create anything for himself), but he could get better here as he puts the work in. But the 3-pt shooting, the plus size/length, and the defensive ability are all things we could use out on the wing.

I've been saying Johhny Juzang as a Reggie Bullock replacement but this kid also makes a lot of sense too.

Tankathon has him going late first round (pick 30 I believe). Doesn't look like nbadraft.net even has him on their mock..

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I kind of expecting us to take two role players to groom as future cheap depth & one big homerun swing, if we end up actually picking 3 times in the top 32. And if we use one of our 1sts on that homerun swing, Trey is my favorite for that Piston's pick.

Though part of me suspects that they're gunna want to use that early SRP on BJ Boston after giving Cal a call; so I'm thinking that they'll go with two safer role players (like Butler & Duarte) in the first.

[cgf]

@cgf

I think he’s significantly better than BJ Boston when it comes to self creation. His handle so smooth.

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He had a lot of nagging injuries this season even after he recovered from his pre-season crash, so maybe he just wasn't ever right, but it looks like he's improved his handle quite a bit since the season ended. I get the Reddish/Knox concerns on the surface, but his #s were disappointing for very different reasons & he seems to have a very different head on his shoulders than either Cam or Kevin.

The kid's still a stick figure, but he grinds. Regardless of whether standford was asking him to run their team because all of the upperclassmen were hurt, or relegating him to just a 3&D guy because he was a freshman on a veteran squad; he was playing hard & trying to help his team win. I never saw the kind of checking out that both Reddish & Knox displayed during their time on college courts.

[cgf]

Ziare worst case scenario is 6”8 3D wing

Boston jr worst case scenario is probably poor mans Kelly oubre

While I get what you're saying; Kelly Oubre's main skill is being the prettiest man to play in the NBA over the 25+ years that I've been a fan of the sport.

Not sure that's in the cards for BJ Boston...

[stuporman]

So those that want to trade up into the lottery or even the top 10,,, to trade for someone like Bouknight or DMitch or whoever, what will you give up for it?

Just the two firsts this year? This year's two and a future first? Or the two and another 2nd? Another player? and another young piece? What will you give up to get your precious pick?

It's easy to say you'd give up a stack for the established young star player after the fact but before the draft it's different, which of these players is the guy this draft that is taken in the teens and turns out to be one of the best players in the draft?

Mebbe even the 'star' the Knicks ache for or not but even if you the forum shmoe say you would do it that doesn't mean a team will do it. It's a voluntary transaction between people not just a video game.

[ny-n-md]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

First Ringer mock draft is here and it has KOC breakdowns of every player in the first round. Has us drafting Cooper and Bouknight.

This would be great for me

[Richard4444]

I have a feeling the Knicks will trade all or most of these picks for more proven players.

Depends on the player but in general I hope not. We’re not that good to be “going in” by trading draft picks

#19 in last years draft netted Landry Shamet

It was a more complex trade. They got Shamet and Bruce Brown for #19 (Saddiq), #37, and 3 scrubs (one of them is named Scrub).

[Richard4444]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

First Ringer mock draft is here and it has KOC breakdowns of every player in the first round. Has us drafting Cooper and Bouknight.

This would be great for me

I cant understand choosing Cooper. He is a bad shooter and small player. A bad compliment to Rose, IQ, and Luca.