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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#461 » by 720 » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:22 pm

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VanWest82 wrote:Evan Mobley is from SD. Maybe Kawhi will put in a good word for us.

the only team mobley follows is the raptors 8-)


The conspiracy nut in me says the fix is in for Silver disrespecting Masai for the cop incident, not to mention not supporting the Raptors more financially in Tampa. I don't believe it's the case but it is an odd thing to me out of all the teams why just the Raps though...

While personally I want Jalen Green more than anyone in the draft, it would be amazing to get Mobley and hard to pass on a guy with that kinda talent that actually loves the team...

Yeah Green is my preference too (compared to Mobley that is, I still take Cade over everyone). Despite his measurements. He just has such a dynamic offensive game.

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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#462 » by VanWest82 » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:27 pm

I'd be tempted to take Green #1 overall if I couldn't move back. I like Green and Mobley over Cade.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#463 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:28 pm

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tdotrep2 wrote:the only team mobley follows is the raptors 8-)


The conspiracy nut in me says the fix is in for Silver disrespecting Masai for the cop incident, not to mention not supporting the Raptors more financially in Tampa. I don't believe it's the case but it is an odd thing to me out of all the teams why just the Raps though...

While personally I want Jalen Green more than anyone in the draft, it would be amazing to get Mobley and hard to pass on a guy with that kinda talent that actually loves the team...

Yeah Green is my preference too (compared to Mobley that is, I still take Cade over everyone). Despite his measurements. He just has such a dynamic offensive game.

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He would be our Maple Jordan with OG/Kawhi acting like his hybrid poorman Pippen/Grant lol...I'm actually favoring him over Cade rn.

We'd have a SUPERSTAR that may actually be able to draw in other stars PLUS just take us back to the days of VC where every night would be exciting af to watch bc you'll likely see some unbelievable play. Not to mention have us on national TV every week, actually being discussed and being one of the most popular franchises in the league...

For me, aside from the year of Kawhi and the VC era, I couldn't imagine a more exciting time if that miracle happened.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#464 » by Morse Code » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:31 pm

Yeah, getting Green would be franchise changing
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#465 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:36 pm

Morse Code wrote:Yeah, getting Green would be franchise changing


I believe so would Cade and Mobley BUT not bring the same level of commercial appeal and just flat out excitement Green would.

But Green is the one dude I could see takeover in a Playoff series and just dominate the way Kawhi did.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#466 » by douggood » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:37 pm

the ringers mock draft
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

#7 TORONTO RAPTORS
The Raptors’ brain trust has never been afraid to draft with an eye toward the future. OG Anunoby and Pascal Siakam were considered raw and underdeveloped prospects when they were selected. But they progressed quickly enough to become champions. Johnson is a project who didn’t start playing organized basketball full time until high school. Although he needs seasoning as a scorer, his skills are tantalizing.

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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#467 » by 720 » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:40 pm

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The conspiracy nut in me says the fix is in for Silver disrespecting Masai for the cop incident, not to mention not supporting the Raptors more financially in Tampa. I don't believe it's the case but it is an odd thing to me out of all the teams why just the Raps though...

While personally I want Jalen Green more than anyone in the draft, it would be amazing to get Mobley and hard to pass on a guy with that kinda talent that actually loves the team...

Yeah Green is my preference too (compared to Mobley that is, I still take Cade over everyone). Despite his measurements. He just has such a dynamic offensive game.

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He would be our Maple Jordan with OG/Kawhi acting like his hybrid poorman Pippen/Grant lol...I'm actually favoring him over Cade rn.

We'd have a SUPERSTAR that may actually be able to draw in other stars PLUS just take us back to the days of VC where every night would be exciting af to watch bc you'll likely see some unbelievable play. Not to mention have us on national TV every week, actually being discussed and being one of the most popular franchises in the league...

For me, aside from the year of Kawhi and the VC era, I couldn't imagine a more exciting time if that miracle happened.

Yeah he would be box office. Which is a nice change of pace for us. Sorta like how Morant and Zion make those markets more watchable.

The reason I like Cade more is because he can defend most positions. His IQ is up there, he's a bright kid. He's clutch, he isn't afraid to take the big shot and he made a lot of them during the season too. Despite his turnovers in college (his team was legit bad, no spacing because no one could shoot well) I believe once he's in the league his assist numbers will go up and people will quickly come to realize how great his vision is. I believe none of Cade's teammates were on the espn top 100. He legit carried a bum squad to the tournament.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#468 » by 720 » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:42 pm

Cade's team was so ass the game they got eliminated the other team basically just doubled him every time he tried to initiate an offensive scheme. Throughout the season vs elite teams he was getting that treatment and still found a way to score and also win games for his team. Imagine him on our team with Fred, Gary, OG being ready to catch and shoot of his postups and dribble drives.


Cade is the same height as OG. Imagine OG, Cade, Siakam together on defense. Imagine Lowry comes back and it's Lowry, Cade, OG, Siakam on the court at the same time.
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Post#469 » by Raptorfan2012 » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:51 pm

This is such a deep draft that I feel if we don't get a top 4 pick, we would have tanked for no reason since you can still get a really nice player in the teens/early 20s range.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#470 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:55 pm

I wouldn't take Green over Cade just base on Cade being a 6'8 wing player. Slotting Cade at the 2 and have him running the point with the ability to slide to the 3 or even 4 on some cases while running the point so fred can stay off the ball more than on the ball is exactly what we need. This mismatches that can be created or hunted down by cade brings our offense to another level.

I say this while thinking Green is box office and exactly what we need also. So I don't think we can go wrong in the top 3.

4 is the real wild card. I'm not as high on Suggs as I am as the potential of Kuminga
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#471 » by tdotrep2 » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:57 pm

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tdotrep2 wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:Evan Mobley is from SD. Maybe Kawhi will put in a good word for us.

the only team mobley follows is the raptors 8-)


The conspiracy nut in me says the fix is in for Silver disrespecting Masai for the cop incident, not to mention not supporting the Raptors more financially in Tampa. I don't believe it's the case but it is an odd thing to me out of all the teams why just the Raps though...

While personally I want Jalen Green more than anyone in the draft, it would be amazing to get Mobley and hard to pass on a guy with that kinda talent that actually loves the team...

i mean theres no shot silver gifts us, but we do deserve it tho. more than any of these **** teams
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#472 » by DatHomieYouHaTe » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:10 pm

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Dalek wrote:I think if Toronto felt uncomfortable with the riskier guys like Barnes, Giddey, Cooper, or Jones, then we need to seriously consider Jaden Springer. I mentioned him a lot before but the more I think about how picks the FO is, he seems like a safe as a pick while also being one of the youngest in the class implying some upside.

Springer is crazy strong which allows him to play above his size. Looking at the numbers 2.0% block% and 44 FTr shows that even though he is not the biggest burst player in the college he was a physical contact type of guy. He also shot 44% from three, TS% .575.

I think he projects as an off-ball guard by most people, but I wonder if he could SF in some line-ups like Norm was. Being able to play three positions, great defense, strong driver, poise/swagger/IT facto are what makes him fit Toronto. This guy was always the youngest player on the court in college and he never felt that way. He would be a modern Kyle with a few more inches of height and wingspan and vert.

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now this guy can play. I would consider him at our pick if the good players are all gone tbh.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#473 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:29 pm

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now this guy can play. I would consider him at our pick if the good players are all gone tbh.


The top 5 is pretty set. The draft starts at 6 and we're at 7 if we don't fall back. All the good players won't be gone, whoever we pick at 7 better be because we thought he was the best or would be the best fit for us.

With that being said, I think we'll have some better options at 7
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Post#474 » by niQ » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:35 pm

I'm starting to see more mocks have Keon and Scottie Barnes in the 6/7 picks. Others still have Raps taking Mitchell at 7.
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Post#475 » by vulture » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:40 pm

I wish Mobley had a higher level of aggression than a 5th option. He would actually be discussed as the first pick with Cade.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#476 » by Blood Orange » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:46 pm

Sports Illustrated thinks we're going to select Keon Johnson

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/draft/toronto-raptors-mock-draft-tennessee-keon-johnson

Toronto Raptors president Masai Ujiri spilled the beans last month discussing the team's 2021 NBA Draft strategy: "It’s either going to be the most talented player available or it’s going to be the best fit for us."


Thanks, Masai!

If Toronto wants to go with the best fit, nabbing a center with their first-round lottery pick is the obvious choice. The problem for the team is — with the exception of Evan Mobley the projected second overall pick out of USC — there aren't very many exciting centers at the top of the draft. That'll likely force the Raptors into the best player available strategy and someone like Tennessee's Keon Johnson.

Toronto Raptors select: Tennessee's Keon Johnson
In The Ringer's latest 2021 NBA mock draft, the Raptors are tabbed to go with Johnson, the Volunteers' 6-foot-5 freshman.

"Johnson came on strong at the end of the season and left a strong impression on scouts at the SEC tournament, many of whom were seeing him live for the first time," Sports Illustrated's Jeremy Woo. "On whole, his freshman year was a mixed bag, but his flashes of brilliance are encouraging. He’s quick getting into the paint, an elite run-jump athlete, and a disruptive defender with a team-first mentality. Drafting Johnson in the Top 10 is a major bet on those traits coalescing into a high-level starter. There’s reason for concern here, too: he doesn’t have consistent range on his shot, has a rudimentary handle, and doesn’t have much pedigree as an on-ball creator, although Tennessee handed him more decision-making responsibility as the season went on. Johnson competes hard and should find a way to be a useful contributor in a team context, at worst. But his athletic ability and potential for rapid improvement make him a fascinating bet after the draft’s biggest names are off the board."

Johnson averaged 11.3 points, 3.5 rebounds, and 2.5 assists while shooting 44.9% from the floor and 27.1% on 1.8 three-pointers per game. Though he started in just 17 of his 27 games, as Woo mentioned, it's hard not to look at Johnson's athleticism and project much bigger things coming in his NBA career.

Even with OG Anunoby and Pascal Siakam on the roster, selecting another high-upside wing who can spend some time developing next season seems like a recipe for success for Toronto.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#477 » by Syd-TK3 » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:49 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:I wouldn't take Green over Cade just base on Cade being a 6'8 wing player. Slotting Cade at the 2 and have him running the point with the ability to slide to the 3 or even 4 on some cases while running the point so fred can stay off the ball more than on the ball is exactly what we need. This mismatches that can be created or hunted down by cade brings our offense to another level.

I say this while thinking Green is box office and exactly what we need also. So I don't think we can go wrong in the top 3.

4 is the real wild card. I'm not as high on Suggs as I am as the potential of Kuminga

I feel like if we manage to get the 4th pick Masai will take Kuminga
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Post#478 » by vulture » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:53 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:I wouldn't take Green over Cade just base on Cade being a 6'8 wing player. Slotting Cade at the 2 and have him running the point with the ability to slide to the 3 or even 4 on some cases while running the point so fred can stay off the ball more than on the ball is exactly what we need. This mismatches that can be created or hunted down by cade brings our offense to another level.

I say this while thinking Green is box office and exactly what we need also. So I don't think we can go wrong in the top 3.

4 is the real wild card. I'm not as high on Suggs as I am as the potential of Kuminga

I feel like if we manage to get the 4th pick Masai will take Kuminga


There is no doubt in my mind that Suggs will be way better than Kaminga.
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Post#479 » by Badonkadonk » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:58 pm

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Post#480 » by Dalek » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:11 pm

niQ wrote:I'm starting to see more mocks have Keon and Scottie Barnes in the 6/7 picks. Others still have Raps taking Mitchell at 7.


It is still early in the process. Mocks are just copying each other because of theoretical fit rather than any actual intel. No workouts have begun and the draft order is not even set. Mocks are pretty meaningless. I'd put more stock into big boards, especially ones where people try to put this draft into tiers.

The best mainstream one I found was BR that Wasserman put together:

10. Josh Giddey (Adelaide 36ers, PG/SG, 2002)

9. Franz Wagner (Michigan, SF/PF, Sophomore)

8. Scottie Barnes (Florida State, PF, Freshman)

7. Keon Johnson (Tennessee, SG/SF, Freshman)

6. Jalen Johnson (Duke, PF, Freshman)
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With five games left on the schedule, Giddey was allowed to shut down his season and train for the draft. His camp is presumably optimistic about the impression he's made on NBA teams. The 18-year-old was leading the NBL in assists and racked up triple-doubles, building a convincing case around his advantageous 6'8" height for a ball-handler and translatable passing skills/IQ.

It's easy to buy his facilitating carrying over. It's harder to picture a major scoring threat, given his lack of explosion and pull-up shooting. The right fit could be more important for Giddey than some other late-lottery prospects. Ideally, he goes to a roster with established self-creators, shot-makers and perimeter defenders.

He won't be for every team, so his No. 10 ranking is a soft one. I like the idea of the New York Knicks trading up with their two first-round picks to target Giddey. He'd be an interesting fit for the Oklahoma City Thunder next to Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and stopper Lugeuntz Dort. And with Kemba Walker having seemingly hit a wall in Boston, the Celtics could think about adding a distributor like Giddey.

Drawn to Keon Johnson's floor, not ceiling

Johnson has stuck around the No. 6-10 range all season, mostly due to my comfort level with his strengths translating and his particular archetype. His explosiveness, passing IQ off the dribble and defensive intensity are built for the NBA game.

I'm less convinced about his ceiling or star potential, consider he's still pretty far away as a shooter (13 threes in 27 games on 27.1 percent) and creator (21st percentile pick-and-roll ball-handler).

He did look much sharper scoring during the second half of the season. Room for improvement for a 19-year-old athlete like Johnson suggests a high ceiling, while the flashes of skill in February and March felt encouraging for his chances of continued growth. It's still a high floor for a two-way wing—a valued player type—that's Johnson's selling point. He's a low-risk, potential high-reward prospect.



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2943639-2021-nba-draft-big-board-updated-rankings-of-top-50-prospects

The other decent one is The Athletic's Big Board:

6 Scottie Barnes, Florida State
7 Moses Moody, Arkansas
8 Kai Jones, Texas
9 Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
10 Keon Johnson
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Scottie Barnes, F, Florida State (No. 6): This is where the fun starts with this draft. I am nowhere near locked in with Barnes at this spot. I don’t feel great about having him there, and he showcased a big part of the concerns about him in the NCAA Tournament. Simply put, Barnes is everything evaluators are looking for from a frame perspective at 6-foot-8-plus with at least a 7-foot-2 wingspan, fluid athleticism, switchable defensive instincts and good body control. He’s also a high-IQ player who is an excellent passer. However, the big question right now is just how he scores. He’s not a shooter at all and wasn’t particularly adept at getting into the lane and finishing. He took 17 shots in three tournament games for Florida State, not exactly a ton, because he can’t really create an efficient look. For me, the best way to get him open opportunities in the NBA will be using him as a four or five and having him play in short-roll settings as a screener himself, which should allow him to use his length, extension and passing ability to carve up defenses from the foul line and in. This is purely a projection on my part based, not entirely, on production. I like Barnes a lot and love the skills he brings as a complementary NBA player. But he has a lot of room for growth.

Moses Moody, G, Arkansas (No. 7): OK, so this is a tough one. Let’s be blunt: Moody struggled in the NCAA Tournament. He seemed to struggle to get to his spots, and he settled a lot for little midrange opportunities. Eventually, he just decided that he needed to start getting to the foul line, so he started to seek contact. He got into double-figures in all four games, but he shot just 32.7 percent from the field. I’ve mentioned throughout the year that Moody hasn’t been awesome against high-level competition, and this was an example of him struggling again with his efficiency. In 20 games this season against Tier A+B competition according to KenPom, Moody has just a 52.5 true-shooting percentage. That’s not an ideal number. Having said that, I’m still in on Moody for a number of reasons. First, he’s still just 18 years old, and I think we underestimate how hard it can be to be the No. 1 option for a team in an NCAA Tournament setting as an 18-year-old. All of the teams left are loaded with older players for a reason. Second, Moody is still a 6-foot-6 wing with a good frame and a 7-foot wingspan. He’s a prototypical wing option in a league desperate for more of them. A lot of evaluators are not quite as high on Moody as I am, thinking his lack of true burst athletically will end up causing him issues. I get that. But I can’t understand getting outside of the lottery without having him in it right now, given that his overall performance on the season resulted in him very clearly being the top freshman wing in a league littered with them (like Keon Johnson, Jaden Springer, Cam Thomas and B.J. Boston).



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