PG: Knicks-Hawks aka 1,2,3,Cancun! (Hawks win series 4-1)

[Iron Mantis]

The people with blind optimism are really missing the big picture, which is the Raptors, Bulls, Hornets and Pacers all have more offensive talent than us, and all of them are in the lottery. The same growth people talk about happening with our players never seem to be brought up with other teams that have young players. Those teams aren't that far off from being better than us, the Hornets are a decent center away from being a big threat too.

Knicks management feels the Knicks have dabbled in the lottery long enough.

They have a bunch of cap space so they're looking to build a culture to attract free agents, possibly a superstar.

No stars are even checking for any of those other teams.

There are no stars entering free agency anytime soon, so we have caproom and nothing to use it on. Look at the free agents the next two years and tell me what you see.

It's time to build a reputation and culture, and stop being the league's fav joke.

If the Knicks firmly establish a good reputation around the league as a gritty playoff team with a solid organization running the show.....

Having cap space and assets, they are an attractive destination when major FA's do hit the market, and also an attractive place for a disgruntled star to force a trade or be on their "wish list".

[Oscirus]

Knicks were cruising along and playing such great basketball and then that Celtics game happened to end the season, even though they won the horrible play continued into the playoffs..that’s the biggest disappointing thing was they didn’t even play well this entire series..

They were playing bad before the celtics. It was that west coast trip that killed us

[GONYK]

Knicks were cruising along and playing such great basketball and then that Celtics game happened to end the season, even though they won the horrible play continued into the playoffs..that’s the biggest disappointing thing was they didn’t even play well this entire series..

They were playing bad before the celtics. It was that west coast trip that killed us

We went .500 on that trip and then finished the season on a winning streak.

How did that trip kill us?

[snadler]

Knicks were cruising along and playing such great basketball and then that Celtics game happened to end the season, even though they won the horrible play continued into the playoffs..that’s the biggest disappointing thing was they didn’t even play well this entire series..

They were playing bad before the celtics. It was that west coast trip that killed us

Nope, they won 2 straight at home with some good performances against the Spurs, and hornets

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Do they also have cap space?

The Raps and Hornets have about 25-30 million, the Bulls have some assets they could trade and they're being linked to Lonzo, the Pacers don't have much room but they can package Turner and their pick for something if they want, plus they're getting TJ Warren back.

Worst case scenarios for us long term would be - Raptors or Hornets moving up to get Mobley, especially the Hornets.

The Bulls made a terrible trade for Vucevic and won't even have a draft pick at all if they don't win the lottery. We actually have more draft capital with our two first round picks than the hornets and pacers do. The Hornets have a nice player with LaMelo but Hayward will be an albatross. Nobody cares about the Pacers. Toronto I expect to bounce back next year when they get to play in their home arena again.

The Bulls still have assets, and their pick is top 4 protected. They have a player that would be the best player on our team by a big margin in LaVine. The Pacers have a lottery pick and Turner, the 19th and 21 don't have more value than that, and the Hornets don't need nearly as much as we do.

These teams all have more offensive talent than us, whether anyone cares about the Pacers is irrelevant when they have a PG and we don't.

[3toheadmelo]

Forgot to add: if the hawks didn't whine the whole series about the Knicks being a "dirty" team I'd actually have respect for them. They were the better team, no denying that but they acted like **** bitches the whole time. The Knicks had *zero* reputation as a dirty team coming into this series. Physical doesn't equal dirty. It was pathetic.

Would love to see them talk schit against Embiid. They’re in for a rude awakening.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Knicks management feels the Knicks have dabbled in the lottery long enough.

They have a bunch of cap space so they're looking to build a culture to attract free agents, possibly a superstar.

No stars are even checking for any of those other teams.

There are no stars entering free agency anytime soon, so we have caproom and nothing to use it on. Look at the free agents the next two years and tell me what you see.

Stars don't move solely, or even primarily, through FA anymore

Other teams have more assets than us, how do we trump their offers? Just hoping that the player wants to play with us instead of Steph or Dame?

[ibraheim718]

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Knicks management feels the Knicks have dabbled in the lottery long enough.

They have a bunch of cap space so they're looking to build a culture to attract free agents, possibly a superstar.

No stars are even checking for any of those other teams.

There are no stars entering free agency anytime soon, so we have caproom and nothing to use it on. Look at the free agents the next two years and tell me what you see.

It's time to build a reputation and culture, and stop being the league's fav joke.

If the Knicks firmly establish a good reputation around the league as a gritty playoff team with a solid organization running the show.....

Having cap space and assets, they are an attractive destination when major FA's do hit the market, and also an attractive place for a disgruntled star to force a trade or be on their "wish list".

And when that disgruntled star forces a trade, and the Warriors are on the list, we have nothing that can beat their offer.

I feel like I'm debating with anti-tank people again

[BugginOut]

Truth is this is the best position this team has been in for the last 20 years. We have young talent, picks, cap space and are a free agent destination.

To be negative about this season means you are not being realistic about how quick teams can improve

[K_ick_God]

Winning a title with Luka could be easy but instead Cuban littered the roster with garbage lol.

[TKKnicks1]

Had a defensive stopper on the bench the entire time and used him a total of a minute the whole series. You're telling me Frank wouldn't have made life tougher for Trae than Bullock or Rose? I love you Thibs but you screwed this one up royally.

[robillionaire]

The Raps and Hornets have about 25-30 million, the Bulls have some assets they could trade and they're being linked to Lonzo, the Pacers don't have much room but they can package Turner and their pick for something if they want, plus they're getting TJ Warren back.

Worst case scenarios for us long term would be - Raptors or Hornets moving up to get Mobley, especially the Hornets.

The Bulls made a terrible trade for Vucevic and won't even have a draft pick at all if they don't win the lottery. We actually have more draft capital with our two first round picks than the hornets and pacers do. The Hornets have a nice player with LaMelo but Hayward will be an albatross. Nobody cares about the Pacers. Toronto I expect to bounce back next year when they get to play in their home arena again.

The Bulls still have assets, and their pick is top 4 protected. They have a player that would be the best player on our team by a big margin in LaVine. The Pacers have a lottery pick and Turner, the 19th and 21 don't have more value than that, and the Hornets don't need nearly as much as we do.

These teams all have more offensive talent than us, whether anyone cares about the Pacers is irrelevant when they have a PG and we don't.

I just don't see anything to envy about these teams and their situations in comparison to ours. Besides the Hornets having LaMelo. If the Bulls don't' win the lottery (80% chance they don't) I wouldn't be surprised if LaVine left next summer. He's also never made it to the playoffs in 7 years. Vucevic was a bad trade. The Pacers are locked into a treadmill and no free agents will ever go there.

[BugginOut]

There are no stars entering free agency anytime soon, so we have caproom and nothing to use it on. Look at the free agents the next two years and tell me what you see.

It's time to build a reputation and culture, and stop being the league's fav joke.

If the Knicks firmly establish a good reputation around the league as a gritty playoff team with a solid organization running the show.....

Having cap space and assets, they are an attractive destination when major FA's do hit the market, and also an attractive place for a disgruntled star to force a trade or be on their "wish list".

And when that disgruntled star forces a trade, and the Warriors are on the list, we have nothing that can beat their offer.

I feel like I'm debating with anti-tank people again

That only applies for this offseason. If Minny keeps their pick I say we have similar offers

Is 2022 Minny Pick + Wiseman + 14 really better 19 + 21 + Dallas picks plus any combination of RJ, IQ or Obi?

[Fat Kat]

Truth is this is the best position this team has been in for the last 20 years. We have young talent, picks, cap space and are a free agent destination.

To be negative about this season means you are not being realistic about how quick teams can improve

Some folks just like to whine like petulant children. This season being a resounding success isn’t debatable.

[GONYK]

There are no stars entering free agency anytime soon, so we have caproom and nothing to use it on. Look at the free agents the next two years and tell me what you see.

Stars don't move solely, or even primarily, through FA anymore

Other teams have more assets than us, how do we trump their offers? Just hoping that the player wants to play with us instead of Steph or Dame?

By building a culture and organization worth coming to, for starters.

I would say the probability of NY being a desirable place to play, if the organization proves competence, is about as high as losing all season, getting the odds to be in the top 3, and then picking the right 19 year old to be a generational talent.

Especially since we've built a FO with deep relationships around the league. Trades play out like FA. Players go where they want. Nobody forces their way to Portland or GSW or Charlotte or Toronto.

There are various avenues to improvement. How good one is over the other is how the franchise positions themselves to take advantage of the circumstances.

[RHODEY]

Forgot to add: if the hawks didn't whine the whole series about the Knicks being a "dirty" team I'd actually have respect for them. They were the better team, no denying that but they acted like **** bitches the whole time. The Knicks had *zero* reputation as a dirty team coming into this series. Physical doesn't equal dirty. It was pathetic.

Are you the "want a piece of me" guy @ 41 secs

Watch on YouTube

[Iron Mantis]

There are no stars entering free agency anytime soon, so we have caproom and nothing to use it on. Look at the free agents the next two years and tell me what you see.

It's time to build a reputation and culture, and stop being the league's fav joke.

If the Knicks firmly establish a good reputation around the league as a gritty playoff team with a solid organization running the show.....

Having cap space and assets, they are an attractive destination when major FA's do hit the market, and also an attractive place for a disgruntled star to force a trade or be on their "wish list".

And when that disgruntled star forces a trade, and the Warriors are on the list, we have nothing that can beat their offer.

I feel like I'm debating with anti-tank people again

The Warriors backcourt is set, so I presume the Knicks would be looking to trade for a backcourt player...and not the Warriors.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Kyrie says the Nets are uniting the whole world with their championship.

This article says that despite being the better NYC team, they aren't even close to being the most popular in NYC.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/06/02/nets-kyrie-irving-were-uniting-the-whole-world-with-this-championship-run/

Uniting the whole word in what? Hating the Nets?

I don’t know how you can unite a flat world...maybe if it was round

[Davis18]

It was great season.
It felt great hearing "defense" chants in MSG again.

FO decided not to tank when they hired Thibs.
I am not gonna fault him for trying to win.

We all know this team lacks talent.
It would be nice Cade/Suggs playing next to RJ, Obi & IQ but FO chose different path.
One definite positive from this series is finding out Randle is not a max player and not even close.
He doesn't have characteristics of a winning player.
He did his part to increase his value so FO better do their part to maximize his value.

This off season should be interesting.
I expect franchise changing transaction to be done whether good or bad.

Ehh but he's MIP, that's a winning characteristic right there. Terrible in this series but who's to say he wont pull off another MIP ...playoff version?

I applaud Randle for what he has done this season and winning MIP.
MIP doesn't mean he is a winning player. Hedo Turgolu won MIP.

We all want to step up from this season.
I am just suggesting it would be wise move to deal Randle when his value is high.