Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[Xatticus]

Latest Mock from Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer. A double dose of Jalen.

1. Cunningham
2. Mobley
3. Orlando Magic - Jalen Green, G, G-League Ignite
4. Suggs
5. Kuminga
6. Mitchell
7. K. Johnson
8. Orlando Magic - Jalen Johnson, F, Duke
9. Wagner
10. Kispert

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

G: Fultz, Anthony, MCW
G: Green, Hampton, Harris
F: Okeke, Ross, Bacon, Brazdeikis
F: Isaac, Johnson, Wagner
C: WCJ, Bamba, Hall

^ looking at something like this without any traded veterans.

I'd be fairly disappointed with this outcome. I prefer Suggs to Green. I get why people like Green, but I'd rather have a guy with playmaking potential. I'm a bit concerned with Suggs' ability to shoot, but we need someone that can orchestrate an offense. If we take Green over Suggs, then I'd definitely want someone with a basketball brain with that second pick.

I'd avoid Johnson regardless. He was a problem for a bad Duke team and left the school when Krzyzewski started cutting his minutes. If you believe the reports, he didn't get along with anyone. He is a willing passer, but he turns the ball over a ton. His vision is very ordinary and his accuracy and decision-making are lacking. He can't shoot right now. His highlights are pretty much all transition plays. Everyone looks better in transition. He struggles to do anything offensively in the halfcourt if he can't get to the basket and he won't be able to get to the basket in the NBA. There is some talent there, but he isn't very good right now and I'm not optimistic that he will realize the potential he has.

If the Magic draft Green who do you want with the second pick?

Probably Giddey.

There are three guys with basketball brains that might be available in that range and Giddey is the best fit with Green. The other two are Sengun and Barnes.

You are going to have to wait out Giddey's physical development. If that comes along, he could be really special. If it doesn't, then he might end up as a Satoransky type. He easily has the best vision in this draft. I don't think he'll ever be a plus athlete, but he could benefit greatly just from getting stronger. You can see that his lack of strength makes some skip passes difficult for him. Added strength would also help his shot. He also needs to fix his transition from dribble to shot. He'd be deadly if he could shoot off the bounce.

The best offensive players are the ones that can read the help defense as soon as it starts to move and I think Giddey will develop that as long as he gets the opportunity to run an offense. We are desperate for someone to run ours. Green doesn't do that. Green is a shooter and finisher. He can be the guy that takes the tough shots when the offense breaks down or at the end of games, but you need someone that can get your offensive circulation going. I love that Giddey is selfless and always looking to set up teammates first.

That's still not my preference though. I'd rather have Suggs and Sengun, I think. I just think that pick and roll could be deadly and would be a lot of fun to watch. If we landed Sengun, I'd try to move WCJ to Charlotte for their 1st-round pick. WCJ could plug a huge hole for them.

[Bensational]

What do you guys see Tre Mann’s draft range being?

His scoring seems like it will really translate to the NBA, he has a really nice Pull-up/floater/in-between game already.

I see Mann and Bouknight as legit guys in the 8-14 range

Anywhere. He is a really good iso scorer with limited physical tools. He doesn't have explosion or great size, but he has a nice handle, good touch, and a beautiful shot. He has all sorts of moves, but fairly limited shake. The only thing he has that consistently creates space is his step back. If he intends to play PG, he has to get better at his distribution, but defenders are going to have to chase him over screens, so that should help.

I think he is similar to SGA without the plus physical tools and athleticism. He had such a miserable freshman season that he just sort of fell off the radar, but I watched him twice this year and he looked like far and away the best talent on a pretty talented Florida team. I really wouldn't consider him with either of our lottery picks, but he is someone I would target if he drops. I would like to see him running a second unit to see how he gets on.

Nice comp with SGA. I can see it in the way Mann moves around defenders in the paint, and with his sweet floater. From the highlights I saw I didn’t love Mann’s facilitating all that much. He can make nice passes through traffic but then often went to guys who weren’t in good scoring positions, which made the passes feel more like a bail out than a move.

I’m starting to feel like, if we get to keep the Bull’s pick, it might be worthy trading down for a couple of mid 1sts to grab a couple guys there instead of overreaching at 8 on a bunch of names that don’t get me that excited. Give me whoever slides to the late lottery out of Giddey, Dosunmu (who’s likely late 1st round), Mann, Garuba, etc over Moody/Bouknight/J or K Johnson/etc.

Either that, or I’d try to move some of the youth we already have to make room for new young players. I’d like to imagine we could get something decent for Bamba + Cole.

[Xatticus]

Trying to make a case for guy like Garuba using words like " acomplished in Europe" just shows miles people are willing to take to hide own thoughts from what they really think.
IF you are making case for Garuba as lottery pick it just means 1 thing: draft flattens out after 4 players and drafting outside top 5 is complete disaster.

Garuba isn't "acomplished" at all. He is not any more acomplished than Hezonja, Bender, Killian Hayes, Avdija or Sekou Doumbouya were in Europe. Guy born in Madrid plays basketball for team where he started his basketball first steps, went through ranks of youth teams and now he is in rotation for Real Madrid, much like all guys above mentioned were for their matical teams.
Literally every Europe team in soccer & basketball does that. They promote youth players from their develomental & youth teams and place them in rotation.

"He played 16 mpg on Real, Real was contender". Hezonja played 16 min on Barcelona that went 21-7 and that was runner up in Spanish league & played final 8 in Euroleague.

But Garuba as prospect simply isn't upside pick nor BPA nor fits the need.

I don't hate on this guy nor i care about him, i saw him play enough time to be sure Tristan Thompson & Biyombo are his floor & ceiling. And sure, he isn't "raw" , he simply isn't that talented. He has no post game, no jumpshot, esencially in nba it's impossible for him to be anything but rolling - not so big- big. In body of PF playing C. Might as well trade 2 second round picks and get Robert Williams. Nobody will see difference.

If we are talking about accomplished and polished youth stars from Europe, his teammate Santi Aldama simply achived more in less time.

I'm sure Garuba will be nice addition for some piss poor bench that will spark some energy like Biyombo did to Raptors. But that guy will never lead you anywhere but into deeper lottery. And Magic already have 2 limited centers. Adding 3rd bench center is no- go in my books.


And all this still doesn't change fact that Magic apsolutley need go to scorer.

He hit 35 3-point field goals this year alone. He has hit 32% of his career 3-point field goal attempts as a member of Real's first team. He has Eurosteps littered throughout his highlight reels. Your first thought: Bismack Biyombo

He isn't even a center right now. His value comes from his ability to switch onto pretty much anyone, so you compare him to Tristan Thompson? The same Tristan Thompson that can't switch onto anyone?

He is 6'8" and black so he must be Biyombo or Tristan Thompson. You are absolutely **** at comps, dude.

So you wanna make it about race?

But let's stick to some facts , shell we?

Usman Garuba in his entire professional career shot only 130 threes and he shots 31,5% from them.
During this season he made 35 threes in 76 games shooting 31,5% for 3. At average making 0,4 threes a game.
But if you actually bothered to make some reasrch you would find during 39 games of Euroleague, he only made 11 threes ( 11/41 , 26,8%)

However, during same streach, Usman Garuba shoots only 61% FTs ( 172 attemps).

He is not shooter nor looks like shooter by any straech of imagination.

His value comes from his ability to switch onto pretty much anyone, so you compare him to Tristan Thompson? The same Tristan Thompson that can't switch onto anyone?

He is 6'8" and black so he must be Biyombo or Tristan Thompson. You are absolutely **** at comps, dude.

His value comes from fact that he is not asked to do anything on team that has Llull, Carroll Lapavitrolla, Tavares, Tompkins... His only duty is to block shots & stand at dunkers spot on offense. Europe does not have defensive nor offensive 3 seconds, it allows players like him to just camp below rim all the time on both ends.

At end of a day we talk about 4,0 ppg Euroleague backup center, who happends ato be 6'8 without jumpshot.
Center with defensive upside that offers nothing but dunking, and being brutally undersized for nba is literally- Biyombo/ Birch.

You can do whatever you want with that comparison, but that's reality of Garuba in nba. Small center or piss poor PF.

have issue with that comparison ? Fine. Does Onyeka Okongwu makes it better? Fine. Let's draft Onyeka Okongwu, because that's execlly what this team needs

I mean... it's better? There is still a lot of dumb **** in there. We could start with your failure to normalize your stats. I don't know why you use per game numbers. I mean... I do. I don't know why you think it's valid though. Basically, everything you say would make a hell of a lot more sense if this was a fantasy basketball forum.

[Xatticus]

Garuba with his size, current skillset, && him more than likely being a 4/5 at the next level just doesn't scream upside to me which is what I'd try and be targeting with the Bulls pick.

I have to agree with Xatt on Jalen Johnson, however. Alot of red flags, with a skillset that doesn't make it worth the risk imo. If this was another MPG situation, && he had that skillset, I'd be all over him. I'm not seeing that though. In all honesty, I really just haven't been able to zero in on a prospect at all in that range. Which is generally not the case for me.

History would tell you that there is going to be an all-star somewhere, but I have absolutely no clue who it will be.

Garuba definitely isn't a high-ceiling prospect. He can defend the pick and roll though and he can switch onto anyone. The ideal defense is one where every pick can be switched if necessary, but that's really tough to pull off because of the 1 and 5. It's just tough to find that kind of defensive versatility from those positions, but that's why we see small-ball fives these days. Draymond Green and PJ Tucker are perfect examples.

His role will be something akin to what Gordon's role is in Denver. He'll be a valuable player at the defensive end. If he improves his shot a bit, then you can see something like PJ Tucker. He has more upside than that, but that's still a pretty good outcome. There are roughly 30 NBA teams that can use that type of player.

I've never advocated for taking him with our picks, but I think there is obvious value given where he is being mocked. You come up with your big board and you try to figure out where everyone is going to land. From there, you can game-plan spots in the draft where you might find it advantageous to get an additional pick. For instance, I have no interest in Kuminga at the fifth spot in this draft. For me, his value is much lower, so if there is someone willing to give up value to get Kuminga at five, then I'm seriously looking at moving down if that's where our pick ends up and if the other four are already gone. Likewise, I would be eyeing draft picks for some guys that are projected to go in the second round that I like. Kessler Edwards is a perfect example. Every year, other teams do this. We don't. We sell our picks to the more proactive teams.

[Xatticus]

What do you guys see Tre Mann’s draft range being?

His scoring seems like it will really translate to the NBA, he has a really nice Pull-up/floater/in-between game already.

I see Mann and Bouknight as legit guys in the 8-14 range

Anywhere. He is a really good iso scorer with limited physical tools. He doesn't have explosion or great size, but he has a nice handle, good touch, and a beautiful shot. He has all sorts of moves, but fairly limited shake. The only thing he has that consistently creates space is his step back. If he intends to play PG, he has to get better at his distribution, but defenders are going to have to chase him over screens, so that should help.

I think he is similar to SGA without the plus physical tools and athleticism. He had such a miserable freshman season that he just sort of fell off the radar, but I watched him twice this year and he looked like far and away the best talent on a pretty talented Florida team. I really wouldn't consider him with either of our lottery picks, but he is someone I would target if he drops. I would like to see him running a second unit to see how he gets on.

Nice comp with SGA. I can see it in the way Mann moves around defenders in the paint, and with his sweet floater. From the highlights I saw I didn’t love Mann’s facilitating all that much. He can make nice passes through traffic but then often went to guys who weren’t in good scoring positions, which made the passes feel more like a bail out than a move.

I’m starting to feel like, if we get to keep the Bull’s pick, it might be worthy trading down for a couple of mid 1sts to grab a couple guys there instead of overreaching at 8 on a bunch of names that don’t get me that excited. Give me whoever slides to the late lottery out of Giddey, Dosunmu (who’s likely late 1st round), Mann, Garuba, etc over Moody/Bouknight/J or K Johnson/etc.

Either that, or I’d try to move some of the youth we already have to make room for new young players. I’d like to imagine we could get something decent for Bamba + Cole.

Yeah. His vision is rudimentary. Almost all of his highlight passes are to the rolling big or one that is sitting in the dunk spot. He's still interesting just because that step back is so good. He can get that anytime he wants.

I'd definitely rather move down and pick up value than draft Keon Johnson in slot though. It's not that I dislike him, but his game isn't anywhere near robust enough for where he is slotted. The other guys you mentioned fall into that area as well. I'm not high on Moody. Bouknight is alright, but he isn't what a lot of people think he is. He is probably something similar to Terrence Ross, but he might not be that good of a shooter. He will probably be a bit better on the defensive side and he is crafty, but I don't know that his shot is ever going to be as dynamic as Ross' is. He'll probably be a 3-and-D guy. You can't put the ball in his hands and expect anything other than him to force up a tough shot.

It just irritates me when people talk about how many rookies we can carry. You have 15 roster spots and if one of those is occupied by Dwayne Bacon, then you obviously could've carried at least one more rookie. It's overly simplistic to lump them all into one category. Some rookies are ready to step in and give you quality minutes from the moment they are drafted. Others are going to have to be brought along more slowly.

[Dub_Sax]

Since Cade is the overwhelming #1 pick, do any of you think he'll be better than Luka or Tre?


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[RookieStar]

Since Cade is the overwhelming #1 pick, do any of you think he'll be better than Luka or Tre?


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Time will tell. But if you ask us as our capacity of fortune-tellers?

Tre - big chance yes
Luka - no... wellmaybe down the line say 8 yrs from now ( cuz I dunno why Luka doesntnget in shape. That bodyshape and weight not.only.limits.him but is screaming for an injury )

[MagicFan101]

Since Cade is the overwhelming #1 pick, do any of you think he'll be better than Luka or Tre?


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Each class is different. Going #1 doesn’t make you the best in your own class or better / as good as others who went below #1 in other classes.

Luka is very very special. I would say no chance Cade is as good. That bar is just so high.

Cade and Trae are very different players but he might be able to reach Trae’s level of impact on the team. That would still be great.

[RookieStar]

BTW... is it legal now to starting talking or watching the draftees workout and all? If not, when is it allowed? You think we have all these time to juat sit on our hands?

[Magic Mops]

I'd be fairly disappointed with this outcome. I prefer Suggs to Green. I get why people like Green, but I'd rather have a guy with playmaking potential. I'm a bit concerned with Suggs' ability to shoot, but we need someone that can orchestrate an offense. If we take Green over Suggs, then I'd definitely want someone with a basketball brain with that second pick.

I'd avoid Johnson regardless. He was a problem for a bad Duke team and left the school when Krzyzewski started cutting his minutes. If you believe the reports, he didn't get along with anyone. He is a willing passer, but he turns the ball over a ton. His vision is very ordinary and his accuracy and decision-making are lacking. He can't shoot right now. His highlights are pretty much all transition plays. Everyone looks better in transition. He struggles to do anything offensively in the halfcourt if he can't get to the basket and he won't be able to get to the basket in the NBA. There is some talent there, but he isn't very good right now and I'm not optimistic that he will realize the potential he has.

If the Magic draft Green who do you want with the second pick?

Probably Giddey.

There are three guys with basketball brains that might be available in that range and Giddey is the best fit with Green. The other two are Sengun and Barnes.

You are going to have to wait out Giddey's physical development. If that comes along, he could be really special. If it doesn't, then he might end up as a Satoransky type. He easily has the best vision in this draft. I don't think he'll ever be a plus athlete, but he could benefit greatly just from getting stronger. You can see that his lack of strength makes some skip passes difficult for him. Added strength would also help his shot. He also needs to fix his transition from dribble to shot. He'd be deadly if he could shoot off the bounce.

The best offensive players are the ones that can read the help defense as soon as it starts to move and I think Giddey will develop that as long as he gets the opportunity to run an offense. We are desperate for someone to run ours. Green doesn't do that. Green is a shooter and finisher. He can be the guy that takes the tough shots when the offense breaks down or at the end of games, but you need someone that can get your offensive circulation going. I love that Giddey is selfless and always looking to set up teammates first.

That's still not my preference though. I'd rather have Suggs and Sengun, I think. I just think that pick and roll could be deadly and would be a lot of fun to watch. If we landed Sengun, I'd try to move WCJ to Charlotte for their 1st-round pick. WCJ could plug a huge hole for them.

Good argumentation Sir!
I like it!

[VFX]

Dream scenario? Everyone will hate me BUT

#3, CHI #8, Cole, Bamba , ORL 22, CHI 23 , DEN 24

fooooor

Dame (lol)

Nah.

[MagicFan101]

Dream scenario? Everyone will hate me BUT

#3, CHI #8, Cole, Bamba , ORL 22, CHI 23 , DEN 24

fooooor

Dame (lol)

We give up the farm for a soon to be 31 year old guy who will 100% not report to Orlando and demand a trade which will not net us anything close to what you are sending out …

Cool.

[RookieStar]

Dream scenario? Everyone will hate me BUT

#3, CHI #8, Cole, Bamba , ORL 22, CHI 23 , DEN 24

fooooor

Dame (lol)

We give up the farm for a soon to be 31 year old guy who will 100% not report to Orlando and demand a trade which will not net us anything close to what you are sending out …

Cool.

Well yeah if only dame will agree to it. One thing I like.about Dame is his loyalty. He never before demanded an out.

lol but its fantasy. Doubt POR would even consider trading him.

[Knightro]

Since Cade is the overwhelming #1 pick, do any of you think he'll be better than Luka or Tre?

Luka definitely not. He's one of the best players in the world.

I think Cade *could* be better than Young because he's bigger and theoretically could be a plus defender (we'll see where he lands on that end) whereas Trae is unlikely to ever be more than a negative defensively.

But Trae is excellent offensively. So it's a high bar to clear.

[pepe1991]

He hit 35 3-point field goals this year alone. He has hit 32% of his career 3-point field goal attempts as a member of Real's first team. He has Eurosteps littered throughout his highlight reels. Your first thought: Bismack Biyombo

He isn't even a center right now. His value comes from his ability to switch onto pretty much anyone, so you compare him to Tristan Thompson? The same Tristan Thompson that can't switch onto anyone?

He is 6'8" and black so he must be Biyombo or Tristan Thompson. You are absolutely **** at comps, dude.

So you wanna make it about race?

But let's stick to some facts , shell we?

Usman Garuba in his entire professional career shot only 130 threes and he shots 31,5% from them.
During this season he made 35 threes in 76 games shooting 31,5% for 3. At average making 0,4 threes a game.
But if you actually bothered to make some reasrch you would find during 39 games of Euroleague, he only made 11 threes ( 11/41 , 26,8%)

However, during same streach, Usman Garuba shoots only 61% FTs ( 172 attemps).

He is not shooter nor looks like shooter by any straech of imagination.

His value comes from his ability to switch onto pretty much anyone, so you compare him to Tristan Thompson? The same Tristan Thompson that can't switch onto anyone?

He is 6'8" and black so he must be Biyombo or Tristan Thompson. You are absolutely **** at comps, dude.

His value comes from fact that he is not asked to do anything on team that has Llull, Carroll Lapavitrolla, Tavares, Tompkins... His only duty is to block shots & stand at dunkers spot on offense. Europe does not have defensive nor offensive 3 seconds, it allows players like him to just camp below rim all the time on both ends.

At end of a day we talk about 4,0 ppg Euroleague backup center, who happends ato be 6'8 without jumpshot.
Center with defensive upside that offers nothing but dunking, and being brutally undersized for nba is literally- Biyombo/ Birch.

You can do whatever you want with that comparison, but that's reality of Garuba in nba. Small center or piss poor PF.

have issue with that comparison ? Fine. Does Onyeka Okongwu makes it better? Fine. Let's draft Onyeka Okongwu, because that's execlly what this team needs

I mean... it's better? There is still a lot of dumb **** in there. We could start with your failure to normalize your stats. I don't know why you use per game numbers. I mean... I do. I don't know why you think it's valid though. Basically, everything you say would make a hell of a lot more sense if this was a fantasy basketball forum.

Normalazing stats ? You said he is 32% three point shooter to make it bit better than it is. He is career 31,5 who shot 31,5% for Europe level 3 witch is actually long 2 in nba. So from start it's pretty bad.
Than you refuse to acknowledge he can't make free throws at respectful clip that are more often than not serious indicator of invidiual ability to shoot.
Lastly, you ignore what other scouts wrote about him in past.

Mike Schmitz wrote about him during U16 Euro back in 2016

-More of a slightly undersized power forward at this stage. Although he's young, he's very developed for his age. How much more will he grow? -How is he going to score in the half court as the size, length, athleticism and level of play increase? -Really can't shoot at all at this stage. Stiff, funky mechanics with very little touch – 8-for-23 from the free throw line and took only three jumpers all tournament. -Over 75% of his offense came from transition, offensive rebounds, and cuts. Not a guy who's going to go get you a bucket at the end of the clock. -Relies more on his tools around the rim. Can improve his touch versus length. -Ball skills are average in the half court. Limited to strictly straight line drives, although he shows some potential in transition. -Checks quite a few boxes but is missing some important ones (namely shooting). Projects more as a high level role player right now. Is his production mostly a product of his physical gifts and motor in comparison to where most 15-16-year-olds are physically? - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Usman-Garuba-96905/ ©DraftExpress

In 2016 he was 6'7, so in 5 years he didn't grow. In terms of pure size, he is what he is and that's what he will be. There won't be Giannis level growth and he won't show up at your camp being 6'11.
You are drafting high energy, short center that has no business playing PF in modern basketball with very, very limited offensive game that showed basically no development in last 5 years.
In last 5 years he went from not shooting ball at all to shooting very poor percentages all over the board.

He is neither BPA nor he fits Orlando's need.

[ogmagicfan]

Since Cade is the overwhelming #1 pick, do any of you think he'll be better than Luka or Tre?

Luka definitely not. He's one of the best players in the world.

I think Cade *could* be better than Young because he's bigger and theoretically could be a plus defender (we'll see where he lands on that end) whereas Trae is unlikely to ever be more than a negative defensively.

But Trae is excellent offensively. So it's a high bar to clear.

I don’t think we can definitively say Cade won’t be better than Luka. I understand it’s a high bar, but this board and the NBA Universe wasn’t as hot on Luka as everyone is now, and a decent amount were dismissing him as an impending European flop. I will say I thought Luka would be a star in the league.

Nobody including myself forsaw that Luka would be putting up the numbers he’s been putting up, but hindsight bias prevails. Cade has the ability and skillset to be the same type of player as Luka with better defense so personally I wouldn’t put it past him.

[drsd]

Since Cade is the overwhelming #1 pick, do any of you think he'll be better than Luka or Tre?

Young looks to emerge as the Allen Iverson of his generation. Putting up 30 points on 10 for 30 shooting is nothing to get excited about. Cunningham's upside is clearly much higher. a) Cunningham looks like he can defend three positions. b) Cunningham has a versatile offensive game.

Dončić is another thing. He could easily emerge as the GOAT of his generation. Cunningham might be a multi-year all-star and a potential Hall of Famer. But it is hard to look at him and give a potential GOAT tag.


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[OrlChamps2030]

I'd be fairly disappointed with this outcome. I prefer Suggs to Green. I get why people like Green, but I'd rather have a guy with playmaking potential. I'm a bit concerned with Suggs' ability to shoot, but we need someone that can orchestrate an offense. If we take Green over Suggs, then I'd definitely want someone with a basketball brain with that second pick.

I'd avoid Johnson regardless. He was a problem for a bad Duke team and left the school when Krzyzewski started cutting his minutes. If you believe the reports, he didn't get along with anyone. He is a willing passer, but he turns the ball over a ton. His vision is very ordinary and his accuracy and decision-making are lacking. He can't shoot right now. His highlights are pretty much all transition plays. Everyone looks better in transition. He struggles to do anything offensively in the halfcourt if he can't get to the basket and he won't be able to get to the basket in the NBA. There is some talent there, but he isn't very good right now and I'm not optimistic that he will realize the potential he has.

If the Magic draft Green who do you want with the second pick?

Probably Giddey.

There are three guys with basketball brains that might be available in that range and Giddey is the best fit with Green. The other two are Sengun and Barnes.

You are going to have to wait out Giddey's physical development. If that comes along, he could be really special. If it doesn't, then he might end up as a Satoransky type. He easily has the best vision in this draft. I don't think he'll ever be a plus athlete, but he could benefit greatly just from getting stronger. You can see that his lack of strength makes some skip passes difficult for him. Added strength would also help his shot. He also needs to fix his transition from dribble to shot. He'd be deadly if he could shoot off the bounce.

The best offensive players are the ones that can read the help defense as soon as it starts to move and I think Giddey will develop that as long as he gets the opportunity to run an offense. We are desperate for someone to run ours. Green doesn't do that. Green is a shooter and finisher. He can be the guy that takes the tough shots when the offense breaks down or at the end of games, but you need someone that can get your offensive circulation going. I love that Giddey is selfless and always looking to set up teammates first.

That's still not my preference though. I'd rather have Suggs and Sengun, I think. I just think that pick and roll could be deadly and would be a lot of fun to watch. If we landed Sengun, I'd try to move WCJ to Charlotte for their 1st-round pick. WCJ could plug a huge hole for them.

As someone who loves skilled passers who are tall/non-PGs, Giddey is such an interesting prospect. Seriously impressive vision. But I’d also be lying if I said I wasn’t worried about his physical frame. He is only 18 though, and his dad was a pro and he looks like he filled out to be a solid dude. Also props on Green/Giddey - that pairing is a nice fit (in theory)

[tiderulz]

Dream scenario? Everyone will hate me BUT

#3, CHI #8, Cole, Bamba , ORL 22, CHI 23 , DEN 24

fooooor

Dame (lol)

We give up the farm for a soon to be 31 year old guy who will 100% not report to Orlando and demand a trade which will not net us anything close to what you are sending out …

Cool.

yeah, no thanks. Lillard is a great player, but 31 next month. he's got maybe 3-4 years at high level and it would take 2-3 years to fully build a roster around him, and doing it without any picks to help with trades

[zaymon]

Dream scenario? Everyone will hate me BUT

#3, CHI #8, Cole, Bamba , ORL 22, CHI 23 , DEN 24

fooooor

Dame (lol)

We give up the farm for a soon to be 31 year old guy who will 100% not report to Orlando and demand a trade which will not net us anything close to what you are sending out …

Cool.

yeah, no thanks. Lillard is a great player, but 31 next month. he's got maybe 3-4 years at high level and it would take 2-3 years to fully build a roster around him, and doing it without any picks to help with trades

I would be ok with it if our 2 most promising players werent returning from acl injuries.
Lillard/Harris/Porter/Isaac/Carter
Fultz/Hampton/Ross/Okeke/Wagner

Thats not bad but not our timeline. We definetly have too much future picks to hold them like Boston did but i would do the moves next offseason. I would also prefer to deal Fultz if we get a lead ball handler.