Eliminated: NYK is out, knee-jerk trades & solutions

Post #1 » by **Foshan** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:05 am

So i thought this could be fun as each team gets knocked out. Especially at a time in which fans of said eliminated teams are thinking very clearly

So where does New York go from here?

Post #2 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:24 am

People may hate this but I like the idea of them selling high on Randle. Randle had a good year with Thibs and maintained efficiency with the ball in his hand more but I don't have a lot of faith in building a team around him.

- Trade Randle, Obi, pick 22+24 for Butler
- Sign Lowry
- Sign Lauri
- Re-sign Noel, Burks, Rose

Lowry, RJ, Butler, Lauri, Mitch
IQ, Rose, Burks, Knox, Noel

Knickfan1982 · Post #3 » by **Knickfan1982** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:28 am

Foshan wrote:So i thought this could be fun as each team gets knocked out. Especially at a time in which fans of said eliminated teams are thinking very clearly

So where does New York go from here?

If they are smart: Take the season for what it was. We exceeded expectations but we have a process that seems to be working. Stick with it.

If they are the normal Knicks: Make a big splashy move and act like we're going to win it all.

At the end of the day, we're a good but incredibly flawed team. Randle had a great year but in an admittedly small sample size I question if he's "the guy". With that being said, even with Barrett's major improvement if Randle is struggling offensively this team is forked. We just don't have the offensive firepower to really be much of a threat in the playoffs.

Draft: If a high ceiling guy like Zaire Williams falls into our lap at #19 grab him. But also take a look at lower ceiling but higher floor guys like Corey Kispert or Chris Duarte who can step in as role players right from the jump.

Free Agency: Don't overspend. Say good bye to Payton and let Frank Ntilikina thrive elsewhere because its not going to happen here. If you can work out a S+T with NOLA to get Lonzo Ball without overpaying him then do it. If you can get a good deal for someone like Evan Fornier to add some size and shooting then do it. Otherwise try to keep Nerlins Noel, Alec Burks, Reggie Bullock and Derrick Rose on good value deals (even if at a slight raise then do it) or try to repeat the success of their signings with other guys.

pipfan · Post #4 » by **pipfan** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:40 am

NY is in a TOUGH spot. After years of being bad, they had a great season. Clearly, they don't have a lot of top talent, but they played their butts off-Thibs effect on full display

But, ATL showed everyone that NY is not a threat. If they bring back this squad-it's going to lead to mediocrity. But, fans might revolt if they shake it up too much, and slip back into the lottery-in exchange for long term talent

I don't know what I would do

Myth · Post #5 » by **Myth** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:51 am

What are there needs? Who is not part of their core?

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #6 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:53 am

Stay the course, keep Randle, and invest as much time, money, and effort into getting the max out of IQ, Toppin, and Barret. I thought IQ showed flashes/potential of being a top tier point guard.

They do have decent draft capital, so maybe use that towards a wing upgrade?

cgf · Post #7 » by **cgf** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 7:04 am

Craziest swerve possible, don't do much other than upgrading on Payton with someone like Lonzo & bringing back (or replacing) the vets; while maintaining our flexibility to open a max slot next summer. There's no need to rush into using all of our capspace this summer, but if we don't use it by next summer (2022) it'll get eaten up by new contracts for Randle (2022), Robinson (2022) & Barrett (2023).

If all goes well the team can grow together for another year in generally the same shape...aka hopefully, we get more from Lonzo than we did Elf, Robinson doesn't miss as much time as he did this year, and Barrett / Quickley / Toppin take steps in their current roles...before snagging someone like Lavine to join Randle & year-4-RJ as a probably-not-title-caliber big 3.

At which point it's as simple as enjoying being a 2nd tier playoff team & hoping that eventually, we'll get the chance to make our own version of a Kawhi-to-Toronto trade; using something like Randle/Lavine + Quickley/Toppin + a kid we draft in '21/'22 + future picks to bring in someone like Zion or Booker when that generation of superstars starts moving around.

As an example, here's my ideal version of the "upgrade on Elf this summer, add a 3rd shot-creator next summer" plan:

Spoiler:

cgf · Post #8 » by **cgf** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 7:23 am

Myth wrote:What are there needs? Who is not part of their core?

Starting Point Guard & another shot creator. Time will tell :dontknow:

Post #9 » by **Mavrelous** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 7:59 am

They need a PG and they need shooting, If Utah fails and don't want to pay heavy tax for non-contending team, sign Conely and sign Lauri Markannen, resign their own player and fill the rest of the roster with their pick.
The idea around releasing 23' 1st pick for DAL in exchange for Brunson is also good, if Conely doesn't sign.

bravor · Post #10 » by **bravor** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 11:20 am

They should try to have a deal with Toronto for Siakam with Barrett as the main counterpart for obvious reasons. It would need a third team for this to work salary wise, but for both teams it would make sense

JediMasterRevan · Post #11 » by **JediMasterRevan** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 11:40 am

They should go after a point guard that can score.

cgf · Post #12 » by **cgf** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 12:06 pm

bravor wrote:They should try to have a deal with Toronto for Siakam with Barrett as the main counterpart for obvious reasons. It would need a third team for this to work salary wise, but for both teams it would make sense

...what are these obvious reasons? :-?

KhalilS wrote:They need a PG and they need shooting, If Utah fails and don't want to pay heavy tax for non-contending team, sign Conely and sign Lauri Markannen, resign their own player and fill the rest of the roster with their pick.
The idea around releasing 23' 1st pick for DAL in exchange for Brunson is also good, if Conely doesn't sign.

Lauri Markannen? Have you met Thibs? :lol:

Buzzard · Post #13 » by **Buzzard** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 12:27 pm

I think NY should be cautious and continue the rebuild. But since this is a knee jerk thread I am going with this: Sign Ball and Powell.

PG - Ball
SG - Powell
SF - Barrett
PF - Randle
C - Mitchell

Ball and Powell are decent defenders that should fit Thibs scheme. Hopefully Barrett keeps improving and Randle was a not a fluke. If they draft well, some young upside depth is to be had this season.

NYG · Post #14 » by **NYG** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 12:56 pm

NYG wrote:
Here's my thoughts...

1. The Knicks significantly outperformed their talent this season. That's not a bad thing, but clearly we're not where we thought we were yet. Going into this season, though, I did not expect this much and in the end I'm satisfied with the juice Thibs squeezed out of this roster.

2. Unless the right all in opportunity like a Lillard type of guy presents itself (and I don't think there's a guy like that this off-season) then be patient, hold your assets, build organically even if next season this team is in the lottery. I think trading all of our picks in the wrong deal could set us back in a major way so just be patient.

3. If we go the patient route because there's no big deal to be had then re-signing a lot of our own guys makes sense especially if they will take a one year deal.

4. We can't sign Rose to be our starter in terms of starter minutes. He is talented enough to start and I hope the Knicks keep him, but they need another point guard to join him so he doesn't break down injury wise.

5. I would trade Knox for Rubio and re-sign Burks, Noel, Bullock and Rose to 1 year deals then revisit in 2022. Replacing Payton with Rubio is huge.

C-Robinson/Noel/Cap MLE
PF-Randle/Toppin/21
SF-Barrett/Bullock/32
SG-Burks/Quickley/19
PG-Rubio/Rose/Vildoza

If you hit on 19 and/or 21, you could have a compelling package for Beal at the deadline.

Post #15 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 1:18 pm

Myth wrote:What are there needs? Who is not part of their core?

Backcourt, specifically PG. if your ever wondered why Johnson & Johnson is part of the DOW it’s b/c the Knicks have never stopped applying bandaids to this open wound.

I want them to go after Lowry and Ball

Lowry DRose
Ball IQ
RJB Bullock
Randle Obi
Mitch

Just see what this teams look like with starter level talent at each position

BowlRips · Post #16 » by **BowlRips** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 1:23 pm

I think in addition to a PG they need a big wing. Someone that can guard the 3/4 and hit 3s.
Would allow them to play small sometimes.

Post #17 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 1:27 pm

Would people pay NO to let Ball go, or just offer a big number and cross your fingers?

Wizop · Post #18 » by **Wizop** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 1:37 pm

JediMasterRevan wrote:They should go after a point guard that can score.

Aaron Holiday and pick 54 for pick 32.

I might sweeten by taking Knox if you'd take Lamb. Pacers need tax leeway.

cgf · Post #19 » by **cgf** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 1:38 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Myth wrote:What are there needs? Who is not part of their core?

Backcourt, specifically PG. if your ever wondered why Johnson & Johnson is part of the DOW it’s b/c the Knicks have never stopped applying bandaids to this open wound.

I want them to go after Lowry and Ball

Lowry DRose
Ball IQ
RJB Bullock
Randle Obi
Mitch

Just see what this teams look like with starter level talent at each position

On the court next season, that's probably the best we can do...assuming Kawhi isn't a possibility...but I still don't like the idea of handing Kyle Lowry a big contract this summer. Handing an old PG his last big contract before he breaks down without first seeing if we can't use that capspace on someone who better fits with our core's timeline next summer, would be such a Dolan-move.

Our capspace has an expiration date and in 2023 we'll be at the cap even if we strike out completely in FA over these next two summers...but it is two summers that we have to spend that money, it doesn't all have to go this one. So let's not rush & use both of those swings to ensure we set the team up as well as we can for the mid-to-late 2020s. Cause if we blow it all on Lowry we're stuck in a really tough spot once he breaks down.

...and it's not like adding Lowry would make us contenders until age catches up with him. The ceiling on that team is probably the same 4th seed that we achieved during this crazy season. We might've beaten the hawks, but we weren't going to threaten Philly, much less Brooklyn/Milwaukee.

cgf · Post #20 » by **cgf** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 1:44 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:Would people pay NO to let Ball go, or just offer a big number and cross your fingers?

Depends on what the Pels want not to match and what their breaking point is financially. We can afford to offer Lonzo around 20-22M and still open a max slot next summer if Lavine (or Beal) makes it to FA & can be convinced to sign with us.

So if 20-22M per gets them not to match, cool. If they'll match that to avoid losing him for nothing but will facilitate a S&T at 16-18M for something like Knox+#32, or taking Bledsoe off their hands, then that's doable & probably our best move. If they'll match anything & are demanding their choice of Quickley / Toppin + an unprotected FRP from us, then it's time to explore our other options.