Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[Blue_and_Whte]

I’ve prepared myself for the #5 and #8 picks which could be Kuminga and Moody. I just feel like we always miss out on what we desperately need so I have zero expectations that we’re picking in the top 3.

[OrlMagic05]

I’ve prepared myself for the #5 and #8 picks which could be Kuminga and Moody. I just feel like we always miss out on what we desperately need so I have zero expectations that we’re picking in the top 3.

Unfortunately as a Magic fan we have to anticipate the worst. I have prepared myself for the Chicago pick to move into the top 4 and us dropping back to 6th...

[VFX]

I’ve prepared myself for the #5 and #8 picks which could be Kuminga and Moody. I just feel like we always miss out on what we desperately need so I have zero expectations that we’re picking in the top 3.

Pretty much what I’m expecting.

Kuminga or Mobley

Barnes, Sengun, or Garuba


Not even going to lose sleep over the draft. It’ll be whoever I don’t want us drafting. Never fails.

[MagicFan101]

Dream scenario? Everyone will hate me BUT

#3, CHI #8, Cole, Bamba , ORL 22, CHI 23 , DEN 24

fooooor

Dame (lol)

We give up the farm for a soon to be 31 year old guy who will 100% not report to Orlando and demand a trade which will not net us anything close to what you are sending out …

Cool.

Well yeah if only dame will agree to it. One thing I like.about Dame is his loyalty. He never before demanded an out.

lol but its fantasy. Doubt POR would even consider trading him.

I am with you on respecting the loyalty Lilliard has FOR PORTLAND. I don’t see that loyalty transferring over in a trade. Instead I see it being a Demar Derozen situation where he becomes extremely bitter and upset about the deal.

[basketballRob]

We give up the farm for a soon to be 31 year old guy who will 100% not report to Orlando and demand a trade which will not net us anything close to what you are sending out …

Cool.

Well yeah if only dame will agree to it. One thing I like.about Dame is his loyalty. He never before demanded an out.

lol but its fantasy. Doubt POR would even consider trading him.

I am with you on respecting the loyalty Lilliard has FOR PORTLAND. I don’t see that loyalty transferring over in a trade. Instead I see it being a Demar Derozen situation where he becomes extremely bitter and upset about the deal.

It takes a good man to stay for 200m.

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[KokoKaizer]

I’ve prepared myself for the #5 and #8 picks which could be Kuminga and Moody. I just feel like we always miss out on what we desperately need so I have zero expectations that we’re picking in the top 3.

Unfortunately as a Magic fan we have to anticipate the worst. I have prepared myself for the Chicago pick to move into the top 4 and us dropping back to 6th...

Long times ago, we were lucky in lottery.

But it was before... sadly

[MagicFan101]

Well yeah if only dame will agree to it. One thing I like.about Dame is his loyalty. He never before demanded an out.

lol but its fantasy. Doubt POR would even consider trading him.

I am with you on respecting the loyalty Lilliard has FOR PORTLAND. I don’t see that loyalty transferring over in a trade. Instead I see it being a Demar Derozen situation where he becomes extremely bitter and upset about the deal.

It takes a good man to stay for 200m.

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Then why do so many others give up the super max for a chance at going a bigger market?

Winning + better endorsement deals = more $$$$ than a bump in your contact.

It’s definitely a risk because if you pick the wrong team to join and winning doesn’t come or an injury happens then the big endorsements might not follow. Still, many super stars feel invincible and take these chances all the time. Lilliard seems to believe in himself and his city with extreme confidence in a different but equal way and I find that respectable.

[basketballRob]

I am with you on respecting the loyalty Lilliard has FOR PORTLAND. I don’t see that loyalty transferring over in a trade. Instead I see it being a Demar Derozen situation where he becomes extremely bitter and upset about the deal.

It takes a good man to stay for 200m.

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Then why do so many others give up the super max for a chance at going a bigger market?

Winning + better endorsement deals = more $$$$ than a bump in your contact.

It’s definitely a risk because if you pick the wrong team to join and winning doesn’t come or an injury happens then the big endorsements might not follow. Still, many super stars feel invincible and take these chances all the time. Lilliard seems to believe in himself and his city with extreme confidence in a different but equal way and I find that respectable.

I don't think Lillard has the personality to get big endorsements.

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[tiderulz]

It takes a good man to stay for 200m.

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Then why do so many others give up the super max for a chance at going a bigger market?

Winning + better endorsement deals = more $$$$ than a bump in your contact.

It’s definitely a risk because if you pick the wrong team to join and winning doesn’t come or an injury happens then the big endorsements might not follow. Still, many super stars feel invincible and take these chances all the time. Lilliard seems to believe in himself and his city with extreme confidence in a different but equal way and I find that respectable.

I don't think Lillard has the personality to get big endorsements.

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he doesnt?

Watch on YouTube

[Xatticus]

So you wanna make it about race?

But let's stick to some facts , shell we?

Usman Garuba in his entire professional career shot only 130 threes and he shots 31,5% from them.
During this season he made 35 threes in 76 games shooting 31,5% for 3. At average making 0,4 threes a game.
But if you actually bothered to make some reasrch you would find during 39 games of Euroleague, he only made 11 threes ( 11/41 , 26,8%)

However, during same streach, Usman Garuba shoots only 61% FTs ( 172 attemps).

He is not shooter nor looks like shooter by any straech of imagination.


His value comes from fact that he is not asked to do anything on team that has Llull, Carroll Lapavitrolla, Tavares, Tompkins... His only duty is to block shots & stand at dunkers spot on offense. Europe does not have defensive nor offensive 3 seconds, it allows players like him to just camp below rim all the time on both ends.

At end of a day we talk about 4,0 ppg Euroleague backup center, who happends ato be 6'8 without jumpshot.
Center with defensive upside that offers nothing but dunking, and being brutally undersized for nba is literally- Biyombo/ Birch.

You can do whatever you want with that comparison, but that's reality of Garuba in nba. Small center or piss poor PF.

have issue with that comparison ? Fine. Does Onyeka Okongwu makes it better? Fine. Let's draft Onyeka Okongwu, because that's execlly what this team needs

I mean... it's better? There is still a lot of dumb **** in there. We could start with your failure to normalize your stats. I don't know why you use per game numbers. I mean... I do. I don't know why you think it's valid though. Basically, everything you say would make a hell of a lot more sense if this was a fantasy basketball forum.

Normalazing stats ? You said he is 32% three point shooter to make it bit better than it is. He is career 31,5 who shot 31,5% for Europe level 3 witch is actually long 2 in nba. So from start it's pretty bad.
Than you refuse to acknowledge he can't make free throws at respectful clip that are more often than not serious indicator of invidiual ability to shoot.
Lastly, you ignore what other scouts wrote about him in past.

Mike Schmitz wrote about him during U16 Euro back in 2016

-More of a slightly undersized power forward at this stage. Although he's young, he's very developed for his age. How much more will he grow? -How is he going to score in the half court as the size, length, athleticism and level of play increase? -Really can't shoot at all at this stage. Stiff, funky mechanics with very little touch – 8-for-23 from the free throw line and took only three jumpers all tournament. -Over 75% of his offense came from transition, offensive rebounds, and cuts. Not a guy who's going to go get you a bucket at the end of the clock. -Relies more on his tools around the rim. Can improve his touch versus length. -Ball skills are average in the half court. Limited to strictly straight line drives, although he shows some potential in transition. -Checks quite a few boxes but is missing some important ones (namely shooting). Projects more as a high level role player right now. Is his production mostly a product of his physical gifts and motor in comparison to where most 15-16-year-olds are physically? - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Usman-Garuba-96905/ ©DraftExpress

In 2016 he was 6'7, so in 5 years he didn't grow. In terms of pure size, he is what he is and that's what he will be. There won't be Giannis level growth and he won't show up at your camp being 6'11.
You are drafting high energy, short center that has no business playing PF in modern basketball with very, very limited offensive game that showed basically no development in last 5 years.
In last 5 years he went from not shooting ball at all to shooting very poor percentages all over the board.

He is neither BPA nor he fits Orlando's need.

That's how we do math on planet earth. We round decimals.

Some people move goal posts. You frenetically start throwing up new goal posts everywhere. I never said he was a good shooter. I said it was stupid to use two guys that have attempted 38 combined total 3-point field goal attempts in 20 combined NBA seasons as comps for a guy that hit 35 3-point field goals this year alone.

Great job on pulling up a scouting report for him at age 14 to try to hammer home your point.

[Magic Mops]

I mean... it's better? There is still a lot of dumb **** in there. We could start with your failure to normalize your stats. I don't know why you use per game numbers. I mean... I do. I don't know why you think it's valid though. Basically, everything you say would make a hell of a lot more sense if this was a fantasy basketball forum.

Normalazing stats ? You said he is 32% three point shooter to make it bit better than it is. He is career 31,5 who shot 31,5% for Europe level 3 witch is actually long 2 in nba. So from start it's pretty bad.
Than you refuse to acknowledge he can't make free throws at respectful clip that are more often than not serious indicator of invidiual ability to shoot.
Lastly, you ignore what other scouts wrote about him in past.

Mike Schmitz wrote about him during U16 Euro back in 2016

-More of a slightly undersized power forward at this stage. Although he's young, he's very developed for his age. How much more will he grow? -How is he going to score in the half court as the size, length, athleticism and level of play increase? -Really can't shoot at all at this stage. Stiff, funky mechanics with very little touch – 8-for-23 from the free throw line and took only three jumpers all tournament. -Over 75% of his offense came from transition, offensive rebounds, and cuts. Not a guy who's going to go get you a bucket at the end of the clock. -Relies more on his tools around the rim. Can improve his touch versus length. -Ball skills are average in the half court. Limited to strictly straight line drives, although he shows some potential in transition. -Checks quite a few boxes but is missing some important ones (namely shooting). Projects more as a high level role player right now. Is his production mostly a product of his physical gifts and motor in comparison to where most 15-16-year-olds are physically? - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Usman-Garuba-96905/ ©DraftExpress

In 2016 he was 6'7, so in 5 years he didn't grow. In terms of pure size, he is what he is and that's what he will be. There won't be Giannis level growth and he won't show up at your camp being 6'11.
You are drafting high energy, short center that has no business playing PF in modern basketball with very, very limited offensive game that showed basically no development in last 5 years.
In last 5 years he went from not shooting ball at all to shooting very poor percentages all over the board.

He is neither BPA nor he fits Orlando's need.

That's how we do math on planet earth. We round decimals.

Some people move goal posts. You frenetically start throwing up new goal posts everywhere. I never said he was a good shooter. I said it was stupid to use two guys that have attempted 38 combined total 3-point field goal attempts in 20 combined NBA seasons as comps for a guy that hit 35 3-point field goals this year alone.

Great job on pulling up a scouting report for him at age 14 to try to hammer home your point.

This guy Pepe is really exhausting......

[Magic Mops]

The Magic pick lands at 3 and Cade and Green are off the board.
Who do you want the Magic to draft?

A) Jalen Suggs

B) Evan Mobley

C) Jonathan Kuminga

D) Moses Moody

E) Scottie Barnes

F) Keon Johnson

[RookieStar]

Well yeah if only dame will agree to it. One thing I like.about Dame is his loyalty. He never before demanded an out.

lol but its fantasy. Doubt POR would even consider trading him.

I am with you on respecting the loyalty Lilliard has FOR PORTLAND. I don’t see that loyalty transferring over in a trade. Instead I see it being a Demar Derozen situation where he becomes extremely bitter and upset about the deal.

It takes a good man to stay for 200m.

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LOL

Well at least he didn't do what some of these divas are doing. Signing the big extension/contract THEN demand to be traded ( Harden *cough cough*)

[RookieStar]

Then why do so many others give up the super max for a chance at going a bigger market?

Winning + better endorsement deals = more $$$$ than a bump in your contact.

It’s definitely a risk because if you pick the wrong team to join and winning doesn’t come or an injury happens then the big endorsements might not follow. Still, many super stars feel invincible and take these chances all the time. Lilliard seems to believe in himself and his city with extreme confidence in a different but equal way and I find that respectable.

I don't think Lillard has the personality to get big endorsements.

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he doesnt?

Watch on YouTube

Also, isn't dame famous around the league to be known as the best rapper or something among the NBA?

[OrlChamps2030]

The Magic pick lands at 3 and Cade and Green are off the board.
Who do you want the Magic to draft?

A) Jalen Suggs

B) Evan Mobley

C) Jonathan Kuminga

D) Moses Moody

E) Scottie Barnes

F) Keon Johnson

Suggs no doubt

[Xatticus]

I am with you on respecting the loyalty Lilliard has FOR PORTLAND. I don’t see that loyalty transferring over in a trade. Instead I see it being a Demar Derozen situation where he becomes extremely bitter and upset about the deal.

It takes a good man to stay for 200m.

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LOL

Well at least he didn't do what some of these divas are doing. Signing the big extension/contract THEN demand to be traded ( Harden *cough cough*)

The point is that loyalty actually requires sacrifice. Some guys don't want to be second fiddle to anyone. Some guys want to chase scoring titles. Some guys want guaranteed money. It's just a poor choice of words.

I'm sure Portland fans don't much care why he hasn't forced his way out of town, but there isn't actually any evidence to suggest that it has anything to do with loyalty.

[Xatticus]

The Magic pick lands at 3 and Cade and Green are off the board.
Who do you want the Magic to draft?

A) Jalen Suggs

B) Evan Mobley

C) Jonathan Kuminga

D) Moses Moody

E) Scottie Barnes

F) Keon Johnson

You should make this its own thread as a poll if you want people to respond to it.

[RookieStar]

It takes a good man to stay for 200m.

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LOL

Well at least he didn't do what some of these divas are doing. Signing the big extension/contract THEN demand to be traded ( Harden *cough cough*)

The point is that loyalty actually requires sacrifice. Some guys don't want to be second fiddle to anyone. Some guys want to chase scoring titles. Some guys want guaranteed money. It's just a poor choice of words.

I'm sure Portland fans don't much care why he hasn't forced his way out of town, but there isn't actually any evidence to suggest that it has anything to do with loyalty.

Who knows really. All I know is he hasnt done any of what other Tier-1stars has been doing ( under contract wanting to be traded to a team of their choice )

[RookieStar]

The Magic pick lands at 3 and Cade and Green are off the board.
Who do you want the Magic to draft?

A) Jalen Suggs

B) Evan Mobley

C) Jonathan Kuminga

D) Moses Moody

E) Scottie Barnes

F) Keon Johnson

Suggs no doubt

Yeah it's Suggs. As far as I know, not 1 magic fan is even thinking about Mobley if there is one wing left to choose from

[MagicFan101]

The Magic pick lands at 3 and Cade and Green are off the board.
Who do you want the Magic to draft?

A) Jalen Suggs

B) Evan Mobley

C) Jonathan Kuminga

D) Moses Moody

E) Scottie Barnes

F) Keon Johnson

Suggs.

This isn’t the question to ask.

The real debate is who do we pick if Cade, Suggs and Green are gone when we pick. Say we land at #4, 5 or 6 and that ends up being the case?