EC | Rd. 2| (1) Sixers vs (5) Hawks [1-1]

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Who will win the series? (after game 2)

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Post#61 » by kg01 » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:08 pm

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youngcrev wrote:This will be an interesting series if Embiid can't go.

Trae is going to be getting chased by Thybulle and Simmons all game, and I'm sure they're going to try to hunt the Trae matchup on the defensive end. I think Trae's probably too good of a ball handler and passer to be able to hard trap like they did with Beal, but we'll see.

We'll get to see how Doc and McMillan measure up with one another, because I expect there to be a lot of chess moves and counters throughout.


Agree on all counts.

How would you expect PHI to attack Trae on D? Knicks fans kept calling for it, but they really don't have the personnel.

I imagine the Hawks will move heaven and earth to avoid letting Simmons get Trae in the post. We unearthed footage of the Hawks coaching staff seeing Trae, with a bent arm, finna attack Ben's post-up ...

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It kinda depends on who he's defending and how they choose to defend certain actions. I didn't watch much of the Hawks/Knicks series aside from highlights, so I'm not sure what their scheme looked like. If they switch, I imagine the Sixers be doing whatever they can to get Tobias the ball in the paint with Trae on him.

My guess would be the Hawks try to just hide Trae on Thybulle (if he starts), and that the Sixers use Thybulle as a screener a lot just to make Trae do something on that end, and the Hawks do whatever they can to not make the switch.


I'm thinking Harris is the key to this series.
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Post#62 » by Ballerhogger » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:19 pm

are we forgetting the 76ers lockdown wing defense? The main cog of hawks offense is the guard play. If they shut down that 76ers will win
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Post#63 » by JimmyPlopper » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:22 pm

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Post#64 » by Sixerscan » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:31 pm

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youngcrev wrote:This will be an interesting series if Embiid can't go.

Trae is going to be getting chased by Thybulle and Simmons all game, and I'm sure they're going to try to hunt the Trae matchup on the defensive end. I think Trae's probably too good of a ball handler and passer to be able to hard trap like they did with Beal, but we'll see.

We'll get to see how Doc and McMillan measure up with one another, because I expect there to be a lot of chess moves and counters throughout.


Agree on all counts.

How would you expect PHI to attack Trae on D? Knicks fans kept calling for it, but they really don't have the personnel.

I imagine the Hawks will move heaven and earth to avoid letting Simmons get Trae in the post. We unearthed footage of the Hawks coaching staff seeing Trae, with a bent arm, finna attack Ben's post-up ...

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The Knicks mostly just had Bullock stand in the corner, it was very odd. The Sixers generally have their guards and wings move and set screens a lot more. Like against the wizards Curry and Green were setting lots of small big screens on Embiid’s and Harris’s defenders to force switches to great effect.

Also if he’s on Curry, Seth is capable of just breaking down lesser defenders himself if he’s feeling it, as you saw last night.

Of course as with everything this is easier when Embiid plays.
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Post#65 » by youngcrev » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:57 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:are we forgetting the 76ers lockdown wing defense? The main cog of hawks offense is the guard play. If they shut down that 76ers will win


No such thing as lockdown perimeter defense in today's NBA. The rules are slanted heavily towards ball handlers and you can only get around so many screens.

Trae is going to get his. Beal did. It's a matter of how much they can limit him and how much help they need to send to do so. Trae's ball handling, passing and off the dribble range are problematic for any defense. Trae's clearly got some more help than Beal did as well.
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Post#66 » by jayu70 » Thu Jun 3, 2021 4:35 pm

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Ballerhogger wrote:are we forgetting the 76ers lockdown wing defense? The main cog of hawks offense is the guard play. If they shut down that 76ers will win


No such thing as lockdown perimeter defense in today's NBA. The rules are slanted heavily towards ball handlers and you can only get around so many screens.

Trae is going to get his. Beal did. It's a matter of how much they can limit him and how much help they need to send to do so. Trae's ball handling, passing and off the dribble range are problematic for any defense. Trae's clearly got some more help than Beal did as well.

Philly has the wing defense in Simmons and Thybulle, but I just took a look at Trae's points and assists for games vs Philly last year and this year, in 5 games (yeah I know regular season vs playoffs, but still). I don't know if they have found an answer to totally nutralize him:

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Post#67 » by High 5 » Thu Jun 3, 2021 5:01 pm

Yeah things often change in the playoffs as we just saw with the Hawks locking up Randle but the Sixers have never had an answer for Trae. They’re definitely going to ramp up the pressure, though.
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Post#68 » by djsunyc » Thu Jun 3, 2021 5:03 pm

if embiid is slowed down - him trying to guard trae in pnr's will be tough. both teams can exploit other team's in some ways.
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Post#69 » by KGtabake » Thu Jun 3, 2021 5:07 pm

With Embiid, Sixers in 4.
Without Embiid, Sixers in 6.
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Post#70 » by gangford » Thu Jun 3, 2021 5:31 pm

kuclas wrote:Sixers need to conserve Simmons foul rate and availability. So they would be idiots to put Simmons on trae young to began the game. That’s how Simmons got in trouble guarding Beal in game 4 with foul problems.

Rather put thybulle on trae young. And double and chase him. If he wants to settle for 30 foot 3 point shots. Let him. The key is not to to let him get in the lane with the floater. Young for all his antics is not a great 3 point shooter. Thybulle just has to not fall for young backing his butt in or head whiplash when he’s chasing him from behind to create contact.


Doubling Trae like that is a dangerous game to play. Trae's decision making and court vision are next level and he's only averaging 3TO/GM this post-season so far. I think the best way for the sixers to neutralize him is to expose him on defense and get him in foul trouble or just wear him down. The Knicks tried at some points during that series but he always had a man behind him ready to double or contest the shot if Trae got beat. I'm not sure that sort of defensive scheme would even be remotely effective against a loaded roster like the Sixers.
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Post#71 » by High 5 » Thu Jun 3, 2021 5:44 pm

djsunyc wrote:if embiid is slowed down - him trying to guard trae in pnr's will be tough. both teams can exploit other team's in some ways.


Embiid usually doesn’t even try to defend Trae even when he’s at full strength.
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Post#72 » by chrismikayla » Thu Jun 3, 2021 6:01 pm

I will be happy if the Hawks win 2 games and continue to build for the future. I don’t feel the 76ers are a particularly good matchup, especially with a healthy Ennius.


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Post#73 » by Ursusamericanus » Thu Jun 3, 2021 6:06 pm

My bro is a radiologist in Philly and looked at Joel's MRI. He said it's really minor, won't be out long, certainly won't miss the entire series.

I say Sixers in 6, would have been 5 if Joel was around from the get-go.
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Post#74 » by youngcrev » Thu Jun 3, 2021 7:02 pm

Hyaena wrote:My bro is a radiologist in Philly and looked at Joel's MRI. He said it's really minor, won't be out long, certainly won't miss the entire series.

I say Sixers in 6, would have been 5 if Joel was around from the get-go.


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Post#75 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Jun 3, 2021 8:56 pm

Hyaena wrote:My bro is a radiologist in Philly and looked at Joel's MRI. He said it's really minor, won't be out long, certainly won't miss the entire series.

I say Sixers in 6, would have been 5 if Joel was around from the get-go.


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Post#76 » by eyeatoma » Thu Jun 3, 2021 9:15 pm

Hyaena wrote:My bro is a radiologist in Philly and looked at Joel's MRI. He said it's really minor, won't be out long, certainly won't miss the entire series.

I say Sixers in 6, would have been 5 if Joel was around from the get-go.
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Post#77 » by Ursusamericanus » Thu Jun 3, 2021 9:40 pm

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Hyaena wrote:My bro is a radiologist in Philly and looked at Joel's MRI. He said it's really minor, won't be out long, certainly won't miss the entire series.

I say Sixers in 6, would have been 5 if Joel was around from the get-go.
Are you being serious?

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Yes, 100%. He works at Thomas Jefferson Hospitals and a private practice in the area. Does diagnostic imaging for pro athletes.
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Post#78 » by Cubbies2120 » Thu Jun 3, 2021 9:43 pm

Hyaena wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Hyaena wrote:My bro is a radiologist in Philly and looked at Joel's MRI. He said it's really minor, won't be out long, certainly won't miss the entire series.

I say Sixers in 6, would have been 5 if Joel was around from the get-go.
Are you being serious?

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Yes, 100%. He works at Thomas Jefferson Hospitals and a private practice in the area. Does diagnostic imaging for pro athletes.


Wouldn't him revealing this kind of information to people be a major violation of HIPAA? Inb4 internet detectives get your brother fired :lol:
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Post#79 » by kuclas » Thu Jun 3, 2021 9:46 pm

Hyaena wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Hyaena wrote:My bro is a radiologist in Philly and looked at Joel's MRI. He said it's really minor, won't be out long, certainly won't miss the entire series.

I say Sixers in 6, would have been 5 if Joel was around from the get-go.
Are you being serious?

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Yes, 100%. He works at Thomas Jefferson Hospitals and a private practice in the area. Does diagnostic imaging for pro athletes.

I’m a medical professional as well. We always joke about radiologist because they always state as a disclaimer “clinical correlation needed” with their interpretation of the scans

So at the end of the day. It depends on how Embiid is feeling. If he’s in a lot of discomfort. It’s not worth playing. If he clinically is experiencing swelling. Even with small tear. It’s not worth it.

But Sixers pay other medical professionals a lot of money to handle their players. And ultimately up to Embiid. His next two years are fully guaranteed.

Obviously he due for super max extension 230 million end of next season. How much does he want to risk it.
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Post#80 » by Ursusamericanus » Thu Jun 3, 2021 9:46 pm

Cubbies2120 wrote:
Hyaena wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Are you being serious?

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Yes, 100%. He works at Thomas Jefferson Hospitals and a private practice in the area. Does diagnostic imaging for pro athletes.


Wouldn't him revealing this kind of information to people be a major violation of HIPAA? Inb4 internet detectives get your brother fired :lol:


They've already said it's a small tear and that he's day-to-day, i.e. that it's not super serious.

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