PG: Knicks-Hawks aka 1,2,3,Cancun! (Hawks win series 4-1)

[louisorr]

Randle was a first option on THIS team. but that doesn't mean he always will be. He is best suited as a third option. and I think Thibs and Rose know that. LJ, Marc Gasol, Odom, Bosh and on down the line were all first options that ultimately became winners as third options. I mean Thibs coached LJ when he was the fourth option and if Ewing, Houston and Spree were flat on any given night he became a third or second. It's not some big mystery to the organization.

[thebuzzardman]

We cant even tank and draft properly and you excpect us to do well in the playoffs?!

Doncic
Young
Mitchell
Morant

And this year we blew the opportunity to draft either Suggs or Cade

You could just organize some wildly unrealistic trade and put them all in the Knicks lineup.

You know you want to.

[Spree2Houston]

Julius Randle getting the Patrick Ewing treatment. No appreciation lol

With that said, please trade him for DeAaron Fox. Send Divac highlights of Regular-season Randle vs Hawks. Tell him that was Randle in games 1-3

[G_K_F]

"i'm sick of losing in the 1st round, let me join the knicks". make it make sense.

While Windhorst declined to name a specific All-Star player, he added that he has guesses about which players could potentially be lured to play in the Big Apple. He cited several reasons as to why players would want to play for the Knicks, from its status as one of the league’s biggest markets, the team’s collection of draft picks, and sizeable cap space that could be used to sign more players.

"Here's the thing," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "They have one of the top former agents in the league running the organization in Leon Rose.

"Their number two in their team, I'm not sure what Wes Wesley's title is, but his speciality is relationship building with players. Even if it has waned a little bit as he's gotten older, his speciality is relationship building. And I don't want to say 'backroom dealing' because that implies that it is sinister. But he's known for working in the shadows.

"They play in New York City. They have an abundance of draft picks, young assets and cap space.

"The only sort of flaw in here is I'm not sure every player wants to play for Thibs, but there are some who like them.

"I say within the next 12 months a star, slash, superstar player demands a trade to New York. And I don't know who it's going to be. I have some guesses. I'm not going to say right here. I'll let you guys start thinking about that. Let's just put it this way: league executives certainly have some guesses.

Unless the star slash superstar is Jayson Tatum, Luka Doncic, or Zion Williamson, I don't care and neither should you.

Knicks will get desperate because Thibs wants to win now. They're going to go all in on a Derozan, Beal, Jimmy Butler type.

[robillionaire]

The rumor mill has been saying Kawhi and Butler want to team up for a long time and that Kawhi might go to Miami if the Clippers get bounced again. Well, Butler looks pissed in Miami and he's been praising Thibs and the Knicks, he loves Thibs. IF he actually demanded a trade with the Knicks on his short list, I do believe we would have the assets to trade for Butler. And we would also have cap space to sign Kawhi if he wanted to team up with him. 99.999% chance that doesn't happen though

with butlers contract I want picks

he only has two years left and he's just a year removed from taking a team to the finals, you aren't getting picks you are giving picks or talent or prospects likely all of the above

[god shammgod]

Randle was a first option on THIS team. but that doesn't mean he always will be. He is best suited as a third option. and I think Thibs and Rose know that. LJ, Marc Gasol, Odom, Bosh and on down the line were all first options that ultimately became winners as third options. I mean Thibs coached LJ when he was the fourth option and if Ewing, Houston and Spree were flat on any given night he became a third or second. It's not some big mystery to the organization.

well you have 1 year to get options 1 & 2 then because you have to pay him next summer

[KnickMan]

Fans screaming for Brooklyn after Game 2.

SMH

I was saying that at the time. WTF? We won one game and folks blocking traffic in front of the garden. I knew that was going to come back to haunt us. All that "Trae Young Sucks" and stupidity really makes us look like clowns. I hope next year the fans act with some humility and class. Lets win something first, then bang on our chests...

[robillionaire]

Great regular season but we were outclassed, outmanned, and outcoached badly vs the Hawks.

Lot more concerning questions about our future. Can we still trend upwards? Sure can. But there is a little more uncertainty about what we have then about 10 days or so.

You can always tell members of the Closet Kenny Club by statements like that.

McMillan sent doubles at Randle and overplayed shooters. It's the exact same thing the Heat did and no master class in coaching.
Thib wasn't "outcoached" by some wide margin.

The fairly sh*tty roster was exposed.

Sorry Frank didn't get any minutes. That doesn't mean Thibs sucks. It means Frank sucks, as he has through like 18 coaches now. Unfortunately. I was really rooting for the guy. He'll probably put it all together on some other team. Specifically the Mavs, so the prophecy can be fulfilled.

damn we are really taking the gloves off now huh? turns out it's the frooters who are trying to get our coach fired after a tremendous season. they are getting very desperate now. sad.

[ENYK]

While Windhorst declined to name a specific All-Star player, he added that he has guesses about which players could potentially be lured to play in the Big Apple. He cited several reasons as to why players would want to play for the Knicks, from its status as one of the league’s biggest markets, the team’s collection of draft picks, and sizeable cap space that could be used to sign more players.

"Here's the thing," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "They have one of the top former agents in the league running the organization in Leon Rose.

"Their number two in their team, I'm not sure what Wes Wesley's title is, but his speciality is relationship building with players. Even if it has waned a little bit as he's gotten older, his speciality is relationship building. And I don't want to say 'backroom dealing' because that implies that it is sinister. But he's known for working in the shadows.

"They play in New York City. They have an abundance of draft picks, young assets and cap space.

"The only sort of flaw in here is I'm not sure every player wants to play for Thibs, but there are some who like them.

"I say within the next 12 months a star, slash, superstar player demands a trade to New York. And I don't know who it's going to be. I have some guesses. I'm not going to say right here. I'll let you guys start thinking about that. Let's just put it this way: league executives certainly have some guesses.

Unless the star slash superstar is Jayson Tatum, Luka Doncic, or Zion Williamson, I don't care and neither should you.

Knicks will get desperate because Thibs wants to win now. They're going to go all in on a Derozan, Beal, Jimmy Butler type.

Yeah it's a toxic cocktail of MSG needing to sell tickets for shareholders, an easily duped fanbase, and a coach who doesn't have interest in or patience for the classic rebuild scenario.

Bring back Fizdale.

[robillionaire]

Randle was a first option on THIS team. but that doesn't mean he always will be. He is best suited as a third option. and I think Thibs and Rose know that. LJ, Marc Gasol, Odom, Bosh and on down the line were all first options that ultimately became winners as third options. I mean Thibs coached LJ when he was the fourth option and if Ewing, Houston and Spree were flat on any given night he became a third or second. It's not some big mystery to the organization.

well you have 1 year to get options 1 & 2 then because you have to pay him next summer

if we don't pay him this summer he's probably not getting paid at all

[DOT]

I'm not the biggest Sexton guy, but if Thibs can turn Randle from a big stats, losing player guy into a winning player (in the regular season, at least), then I'd be willing to give him a shot with Sexton. At the very least, he'd be what Payton's 3 fans and mother thought he was for us this year

Don't want to give up a ton to get him though, it'd be a gamble on him working out.

The question is is that player worth what Sexton might cost?

Not at all lol

[robillionaire]

Unless the star slash superstar is Jayson Tatum, Luka Doncic, or Zion Williamson, I don't care and neither should you.

Knicks will get desperate because Thibs wants to win now. They're going to go all in on a Derozan, Beal, Jimmy Butler type.

Yeah it's a toxic cocktail of MSG needing to sell tickets for shareholders, an easily duped fanbase, and a coach who doesn't have interest in or patience for the classic rebuild scenario.

Bring back Fizdale.

What's Thibs supposed to do, lose games on purpose so internet basketball fans can feel better about themselves until he gets fired like Fizdale did? He came in and did his job.

[bearadonisdna]

Randle led the team in points , Rebs, assists.

Are you guys surprised guys aren’t giving Julius the superstar treatment? He is a 1st time all star. It’s ok if other players don’t see him as elite yet.

[ENYK]

Knicks will get desperate because Thibs wants to win now. They're going to go all in on a Derozan, Beal, Jimmy Butler type.

Yeah it's a toxic cocktail of MSG needing to sell tickets for shareholders, an easily duped fanbase, and a coach who doesn't have interest in or patience for the classic rebuild scenario.

Bring back Fizdale.

What's Thibs supposed to do, lose games on purpose so internet basketball fans can feel better about themselves until he gets fired like Fizdale did? He came in and did his job.

It's not his fault per se... he's part of a larger organizational problem. The organization wants "relevance" over contention. And it's 100% profit driven in the most cynical way. Other owners and ownership groups are okay with the slow and steady approach, but MSG is 100% about short term returns. Why construct a dynasty when you can fill seats by fielding a team in which your best players are Randle and Lonzo (or any other sub-star level player).

[Oscirus]

Biggest problems with this team: we need more beef down low, I get that randles our star but he legit needs to go down low and fight, Taj being our toughest guy is pathetic.

Rj absolutely needs to work on his midrange, I know his coach says he wants to work in his step backs this summer but **** that. Midrange is the way to go. It's either three pointers or layups with this guy. He needs to master that between space to be really effective.
Lastly we need a legit starting pg . One young enough and competent enough to carry heavy loads eap under thibs. I love rose, but at this stage he's a backup.
Also determine which of bullock and Burkes comes back

[Capn'O]

Great regular season but we were outclassed, outmanned, and outcoached badly vs the Hawks.

Lot more concerning questions about our future. Can we still trend upwards? Sure can. But there is a little more uncertainty about what we have then about 10 days or so.

You can always tell members of the Closet Kenny Club by statements like that.

McMillan sent doubles at Randle and overplayed shooters. It's the exact same thing the Heat did and no master class in coaching.
Thib wasn't "outcoached" by some wide margin.

The fairly sh*tty roster was exposed.

Sorry Frank didn't get any minutes. That doesn't mean Thibs sucks. It means Frank sucks, as he has through like 18 coaches now. Unfortunately. I was really rooting for the guy. He'll probably put it all together on some other team. Specifically the Mavs, so the prophecy can be fulfilled.

Yup. Double Randle on the catch and recover to shooters quickly because Noel can't catch.

Mitch would have helped a lot. Hawks still just have a ton of talent.

[Oscirus]

Yeah it's a toxic cocktail of MSG needing to sell tickets for shareholders, an easily duped fanbase, and a coach who doesn't have interest in or patience for the classic rebuild scenario.

Bring back Fizdale.

What's Thibs supposed to do, lose games on purpose so internet basketball fans can feel better about themselves until he gets fired like Fizdale did? He came in and did his job.

It's not his fault per se... he's part of a larger organizational problem. The organization wants "relevance" over contention. And it's 100% profit driven in the most cynical way. Other owners and ownership groups are okay with the slow and steady approach, but MSG is 100% about short term returns. Why construct a dynasty when you can fill seats by fielding a team in which your best players are Randle and Lonzo (or any other sub-star level player).

Other than the sixers whose success rate wasn't even that high, name one contender that's built a contender through tanking

[Gravy]

Sexton vs Trae: The battle of the two a-hole pgs. I'm here for it!

[robillionaire]

Yeah it's a toxic cocktail of MSG needing to sell tickets for shareholders, an easily duped fanbase, and a coach who doesn't have interest in or patience for the classic rebuild scenario.

Bring back Fizdale.

What's Thibs supposed to do, lose games on purpose so internet basketball fans can feel better about themselves until he gets fired like Fizdale did? He came in and did his job.

It's not his fault per se... he's part of a larger organizational problem. The organization wants "relevance" over contention. And it's 100% profit driven in the most cynical way. Other owners and ownership groups are okay with the slow and steady approach, but MSG is 100% about short term returns. Why construct a dynasty when you can fill seats by fielding a team in which your best players are Randle and Lonzo (or any other sub-star level player).

here's why I disagree with that

Relevance and contention are not mutually exclusive, that's a false dilemma, and in fact we have examples where relevance has ultimately lead to contention. being relevant until the point you can contend is actually a slow and steady approach as it gets, that's why people don't want to do it, they would rather get the instant gratification of thinking we are about to draft the savior of the franchise every single summer

I don't see how it's profit driven when this team has sucked for 20 years and ticket prices already already so high most people can't afford them, and they raise them every year no matter how bad the team is because they know they will sell out every time, mostly to tourists. They could go 0-82 and would have no problem filling seats.

[3toheadmelo]

Leon Rose when Kawhi says no for the 24273947th time