2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

[WeekapaugGroove]

Edit: going to remove the NBC guys article since he sucks and stole the info, no need to give him the clicks.

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I have no if this dude has good sources but this wouldn't be shocking by any means. My guess would be he stays on a 3yr deal but as I've said before it's not exactly the end of the world if he walks, Suns would have money to spend and would be a good destination for a guy like Lowry.

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[Saberestar]

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I have no if this dude has good sources but this wouldn't be shocking by any means. My guess would be he stays on a 3yr deal but as I've said before it's not exactly the end of the world if he walks, Suns would have money to spend and would be a good destination for a guy like Lowry.

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No surprises for me if this is true. I have been talking about that possibility for months.

Now Sarver needs to be ready to spend on a long-term contract on CP3. He deserves it.

Like I commented some time ago, I expect him to get around $120M/3 years. That is his value around the league, he was an All NBA player this season.

[BobbieL]

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I have no if this dude has good sources but this wouldn't be shocking by any means. My guess would be he stays on a 3yr deal but as I've said before it's not exactly the end of the world if he walks, Suns would have money to spend and would be a good destination for a guy like Lowry.

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I think you are correct - he opts out - but comes back on a 3/100 type deal. Maybe 105. He is due 45 so this would give him 60 more. Would give the Suns some cap relief this year from luxury tax I think.

The key thing is this - Sarver needs to have a long term budget and he needs to stick with it. If the budget is lower than we like - so be it. But what got Bobby S in trouble in the past was wishy washy crap

He traded for Kurt Thomas but they then signed Diaw and Barbosa to extensions that kicked in a year later so that put them over the lux tax so they traded Kurt Thomas and two first rounders to save money. When in fact, I know Mike D loved both players but at the time - didn't need to extend both

The classic one - the Suns had the 17th and 18th picks in the draft - the year Rondo went. Sergio Rodriguez was picked 18th. Sarver traded both with Brian Grant for 3m. So he passed up draft two players on rookie deals to do what - sign Marcus Banks who ended up costing more than Grant, two rookie deals AND $3m.

So if Sarver has truly learned - having a 5 year model with his team would be nice. If that means a guy like - and I just bring him up as he will get a raise - if that means keeping Paul at a cheaper contract, extending Bridges and Ayton but not keeping Payne at $7-8m, so be it.

[Revived]

Weird timing for this to come out hours before a very important game 6.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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I have no if this dude has good sources but this wouldn't be shocking by any means. My guess would be he stays on a 3yr deal but as I've said before it's not exactly the end of the world if he walks, Suns would have money to spend and would be a good destination for a guy like Lowry.

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I think you are correct - he opts out - but comes back on a 3/100 type deal. Maybe 105. He is due 45 so this would give him 60 more. Would give the Suns some cap relief this year from luxury tax I think.

The key thing is this - Sarver needs to have a long term budget and he needs to stick with it. If the budget is lower than we like - so be it. But what got Bobby S in trouble in the past was wishy washy crap

He traded for Kurt Thomas but they then signed Diaw and Barbosa to extensions that kicked in a year later so that put them over the lux tax so they traded Kurt Thomas and two first rounders to save money. When in fact, I know Mike D loved both players but at the time - didn't need to extend both

The classic one - the Suns had the 17th and 18th picks in the draft - the year Rondo went. Sergio Rodriguez was picked 18th. Sarver traded both with Brian Grant for 3m. So he passed up draft two players on rookie deals to do what - sign Marcus Banks who ended up costing more than Grant, two rookie deals AND $3m.

So if Sarver has truly learned - having a 5 year model with his team would be nice. If that means a guy like - and I just bring him up as he will get a raise - if that means keeping Paul at a cheaper contract, extending Bridges and Ayton but not keeping Payne at $7-8m, so be it.

FYI, the NBC guy basically ripped his info from this article on B/R

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[bwgood77]

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I have no if this dude has good sources but this wouldn't be shocking by any means. My guess would be he stays on a 3yr deal but as I've said before it's not exactly the end of the world if he walks, Suns would have money to spend and would be a good destination for a guy like Lowry.

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No surprises for me if this is true. I have been talking about that possibility for months.

Now Sarver needs to be ready to spend on a long-term contract on CP3. He deserves it.

Like I commented some time ago, I expect him to get around $120M/3 years. That is his value around the league, he was an All NBA player this season.

I came here to post this too, and I'm not sure about sources, but where I read it, it says he will be seeking around $100 million over 3 years.

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[Slim Charless]

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I have no if this dude has good sources but this wouldn't be shocking by any means. My guess would be he stays on a 3yr deal but as I've said before it's not exactly the end of the world if he walks, Suns would have money to spend and would be a good destination for a guy like Lowry.

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No surprises for me if this is true. I have been talking about that possibility for months.

Now Sarver needs to be ready to spend on a long-term contract on CP3. He deserves it.

Like I commented some time ago, I expect him to get around $120M/3 years. That is his value around the league, he was an All NBA player this season.

I came here to post this too, and I'm not sure about sources, but where I read it, it says he will be seeking around $100 million over 3 years.

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I'm fine with this as 33M/yr is a break on the 44 we'd owe him next year. It also locks him up here for the rest of his career. Only NYK make any sense for him to leave us but I think he finishes his days in the desert.

As to Ayton and Bridges....it sucks that Sarver is gonna have to pay 2 max deals but it is what it is. His cheapness is what killed our Nash teams. I'd try hard to see if 1 of them will accept less and go from there.

Does anyone think there's anything to gain by waiting till next summer to sign one of them?

[WeekapaugGroove]

No surprises for me if this is true. I have been talking about that possibility for months.

Now Sarver needs to be ready to spend on a long-term contract on CP3. He deserves it.

Like I commented some time ago, I expect him to get around $120M/3 years. That is his value around the league, he was an All NBA player this season.

I came here to post this too, and I'm not sure about sources, but where I read it, it says he will be seeking around $100 million over 3 years.

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I'm fine with this as 33M/yr is a break on the 44 we'd owe him next year. It also locks him up here for the rest of his career. Only NYK make any sense for him to leave us but I think he finishes his days in the desert.

As to Ayton and Bridges....it sucks that Sarver is gonna have to pay 2 max deals but it is what it is. His cheapness is what killed our Nash teams. I'd try hard to see if 1 of them will accept less and go from there.

Does anyone think there's anything to gain by waiting till next summer to sign one of them?

If they resign Paul/ or use the space on someone else then no there's no cap advantage to waiting on either Mikal or Ayton. They would be an over the cap team either way.

With how well Aytons played this playoffs he's probably getting the max so that makes the negotiation pretty easy. Bridges isn't a max guy so the suns should make a fair offer and maybe Bridges signs or he bets on himself and plays out the year to see if he can increase his value. Anytime your dealing with a non max guy there's a chance you won't come to an agreement on the early extension. And if not that's not really a big deal since Bridges would be a RFA the next summer.

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[Slim Charless]

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I have no if this dude has good sources but this wouldn't be shocking by any means. My guess would be he stays on a 3yr deal but as I've said before it's not exactly the end of the world if he walks, Suns would have money to spend and would be a good destination for a guy like Lowry.

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I think you are correct - he opts out - but comes back on a 3/100 type deal. Maybe 105. He is due 45 so this would give him 60 more. Would give the Suns some cap relief this year from luxury tax I think.

The key thing is this - Sarver needs to have a long term budget and he needs to stick with it. If the budget is lower than we like - so be it. But what got Bobby S in trouble in the past was wishy washy crap

He traded for Kurt Thomas but they then signed Diaw and Barbosa to extensions that kicked in a year later so that put them over the lux tax so they traded Kurt Thomas and two first rounders to save money. When in fact, I know Mike D loved both players but at the time - didn't need to extend both

The classic one - the Suns had the 17th and 18th picks in the draft - the year Rondo went. Sergio Rodriguez was picked 18th. Sarver traded both with Brian Grant for 3m. So he passed up draft two players on rookie deals to do what - sign Marcus Banks who ended up costing more than Grant, two rookie deals AND $3m.

So if Sarver has truly learned - having a 5 year model with his team would be nice. If that means a guy like - and I just bring him up as he will get a raise - if that means keeping Paul at a cheaper contract, extending Bridges and Ayton but not keeping Payne at $7-8m, so be it.

I love Payne as much as the next guy but I've been saying this. He might price himself out of Phoenix with his play.

If that happens we need to see if we can pry Cole Anthony from Orlando (especially if they get #1) they have alot of Gs with Fultz coming back and whoever they draft this year. Also Chicago just gave up 2 picks for Vuc, I'd bet they'd take our pick for Colby White.

That's 2 cheap picks on rookie deals who can learn from Paul and take over in 3 years. They've also both shown they have NBA skjll and can play in the league....

[King4Day]

I could be wrong but I think you can't sign players to multiyear deals that go past their 38th birthday. Not sure why and not sure where I saw that.

[King4Day]

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I have no if this dude has good sources but this wouldn't be shocking by any means. My guess would be he stays on a 3yr deal but as I've said before it's not exactly the end of the world if he walks, Suns would have money to spend and would be a good destination for a guy like Lowry.

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I think you are correct - he opts out - but comes back on a 3/100 type deal. Maybe 105. He is due 45 so this would give him 60 more. Would give the Suns some cap relief this year from luxury tax I think.

The key thing is this - Sarver needs to have a long term budget and he needs to stick with it. If the budget is lower than we like - so be it. But what got Bobby S in trouble in the past was wishy washy crap

He traded for Kurt Thomas but they then signed Diaw and Barbosa to extensions that kicked in a year later so that put them over the lux tax so they traded Kurt Thomas and two first rounders to save money. When in fact, I know Mike D loved both players but at the time - didn't need to extend both

The classic one - the Suns had the 17th and 18th picks in the draft - the year Rondo went. Sergio Rodriguez was picked 18th. Sarver traded both with Brian Grant for 3m. So he passed up draft two players on rookie deals to do what - sign Marcus Banks who ended up costing more than Grant, two rookie deals AND $3m.

So if Sarver has truly learned - having a 5 year model with his team would be nice. If that means a guy like - and I just bring him up as he will get a raise - if that means keeping Paul at a cheaper contract, extending Bridges and Ayton but not keeping Payne at $7-8m, so be it.

I love Payne as much as the next guy but I've been saying this. He might price himself out of Phoenix with his play.

If that happens we need to see if we can pry Cole Anthony from Orlando (especially if they get #1) they have alot of Gs with Fultz coming back and whoever they draft this year. Also Chicago just gave up 2 picks for Vuc, I'd bet they'd take our pick for Colby White.

That's 2 cheap picks on rookie deals who can learn from Paul and take over in 3 years. They've also both shown they have NBA skjll and can play in the league....

I think Payne is going to net more than 7-8. I could see a starting range near 12-15. Teams that need guards will look at him.
It's too bad we didn't have the vision to see he'd be this good. We could have offered him a 4 year 30-40mil deal before the bubble and there's no doubt he'd have taken it.
But we also would have lost our mind if the team did that lol

[Slim Charless]

I came here to post this too, and I'm not sure about sources, but where I read it, it says he will be seeking around $100 million over 3 years.

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I'm fine with this as 33M/yr is a break on the 44 we'd owe him next year. It also locks him up here for the rest of his career. Only NYK make any sense for him to leave us but I think he finishes his days in the desert.

As to Ayton and Bridges....it sucks that Sarver is gonna have to pay 2 max deals but it is what it is. His cheapness is what killed our Nash teams. I'd try hard to see if 1 of them will accept less and go from there.

Does anyone think there's anything to gain by waiting till next summer to sign one of them?

If they resign Paul/ or use the space on someone else then no there's no cap advantage to waiting on either Mikal or Ayton. They would be an over the cap team either way.

With how well Aytons played this playoffs he's probably getting the max so that makes the negotiation pretty easy. Bridges isn't a max guy so the suns should make a fair offer and maybe Bridges signs or he bets on himself and plays out the year to see if he can increase his value. Anytime your dealing with a non max guy there's a chance you won't come to an agreement on the early extension. And if not that's not really a big deal since Bridges would be a RFA the next summer.

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We also have a decent backup for Bridges in Cam Johnson-who will cost significantly less imo. IF we have to lose Bridges, it'd be better if we can get something for him. Maybe package him, filler and Stix up for Randle (who did himself no favors in the playoffs). He'd fill our massive hole at PF and won't cost a max deal now. He's also obviously best suited as a 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

FTR I want to say that I don't want to lose Bridges as I feel he can be an all defense guy some day. I'm just saying if Sarver's cheapness strikes again....

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm fine with this as 33M/yr is a break on the 44 we'd owe him next year. It also locks him up here for the rest of his career. Only NYK make any sense for him to leave us but I think he finishes his days in the desert.

As to Ayton and Bridges....it sucks that Sarver is gonna have to pay 2 max deals but it is what it is. His cheapness is what killed our Nash teams. I'd try hard to see if 1 of them will accept less and go from there.

Does anyone think there's anything to gain by waiting till next summer to sign one of them?

If they resign Paul/ or use the space on someone else then no there's no cap advantage to waiting on either Mikal or Ayton. They would be an over the cap team either way.

With how well Aytons played this playoffs he's probably getting the max so that makes the negotiation pretty easy. Bridges isn't a max guy so the suns should make a fair offer and maybe Bridges signs or he bets on himself and plays out the year to see if he can increase his value. Anytime your dealing with a non max guy there's a chance you won't come to an agreement on the early extension. And if not that's not really a big deal since Bridges would be a RFA the next summer.

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We also have a decent backup for Bridges in Cam Johnson-who will cost significantly less imo. IF we have to lose Bridges, it'd be better if we can get something for him. Maybe package him, filler and Stix up for Randle (who did himself no favors in the playoffs). He'd fill our massive hole at PF and won't cost a max deal now. He's also obviously best suited as a 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

FTR I want to say that I don't want to lose Bridges as I feel he can be an all defense guy some day. I'm just saying if Sarver's cheapness strikes again....

If you're trading Bridges for cost savings it certainly wouldn't be for a guy like Randle who is going to get a huge contract after next season. It would be for a guy or two still on a rookie deal.

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[BobbieL]

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I have no if this dude has good sources but this wouldn't be shocking by any means. My guess would be he stays on a 3yr deal but as I've said before it's not exactly the end of the world if he walks, Suns would have money to spend and would be a good destination for a guy like Lowry.

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I think you are correct - he opts out - but comes back on a 3/100 type deal. Maybe 105. He is due 45 so this would give him 60 more. Would give the Suns some cap relief this year from luxury tax I think.

The key thing is this - Sarver needs to have a long term budget and he needs to stick with it. If the budget is lower than we like - so be it. But what got Bobby S in trouble in the past was wishy washy crap

He traded for Kurt Thomas but they then signed Diaw and Barbosa to extensions that kicked in a year later so that put them over the lux tax so they traded Kurt Thomas and two first rounders to save money. When in fact, I know Mike D loved both players but at the time - didn't need to extend both

The classic one - the Suns had the 17th and 18th picks in the draft - the year Rondo went. Sergio Rodriguez was picked 18th. Sarver traded both with Brian Grant for 3m. So he passed up draft two players on rookie deals to do what - sign Marcus Banks who ended up costing more than Grant, two rookie deals AND $3m.

So if Sarver has truly learned - having a 5 year model with his team would be nice. If that means a guy like - and I just bring him up as he will get a raise - if that means keeping Paul at a cheaper contract, extending Bridges and Ayton but not keeping Payne at $7-8m, so be it.

I love Payne as much as the next guy but I've been saying this. He might price himself out of Phoenix with his play.

If that happens we need to see if we can pry Cole Anthony from Orlando (especially if they get #1) they have alot of Gs with Fultz coming back and whoever they draft this year. Also Chicago just gave up 2 picks for Vuc, I'd bet they'd take our pick for Colby White.

That's 2 cheap picks on rookie deals who can learn from Paul and take over in 3 years. They've also both shown they have NBA skjll and can play in the league....

Cam Payne has been a good player this year and very good player in the playoffs. But it does seem that the NBA has plenty of options for veteran PG types. They might be better than Payne at some areas of the game; Payne is better at others . But strictly from a long term cap perspective - its not cut and dried with how the budget will increase with Ayton and Bridges.

[spanishninja]

No surprises for me if this is true. I have been talking about that possibility for months.

Now Sarver needs to be ready to spend on a long-term contract on CP3. He deserves it.

Like I commented some time ago, I expect him to get around $120M/3 years. That is his value around the league, he was an All NBA player this season.

I came here to post this too, and I'm not sure about sources, but where I read it, it says he will be seeking around $100 million over 3 years.

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I'm fine with this as 33M/yr is a break on the 44 we'd owe him next year. It also locks him up here for the rest of his career. Only NYK make any sense for him to leave us but I think he finishes his days in the desert.

As to Ayton and Bridges....it sucks that Sarver is gonna have to pay 2 max deals but it is what it is. His cheapness is what killed our Nash teams. I'd try hard to see if 1 of them will accept less and go from there.

Does anyone think there's anything to gain by waiting till next summer to sign one of them?

3 yrs at 30-ish per year is totally reasonable, and the deal would be short enough that he really needs to only stay productive for 2 years or so. Plenty of teams would take CP3 on an expiring deal in year 3 if he's in significant decline.

[bwgood77]

No surprises for me if this is true. I have been talking about that possibility for months.

Now Sarver needs to be ready to spend on a long-term contract on CP3. He deserves it.

Like I commented some time ago, I expect him to get around $120M/3 years. That is his value around the league, he was an All NBA player this season.

I came here to post this too, and I'm not sure about sources, but where I read it, it says he will be seeking around $100 million over 3 years.

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I'm fine with this as 33M/yr is a break on the 44 we'd owe him next year. It also locks him up here for the rest of his career. Only NYK make any sense for him to leave us but I think he finishes his days in the desert.

As to Ayton and Bridges....it sucks that Sarver is gonna have to pay 2 max deals but it is what it is. His cheapness is what killed our Nash teams. I'd try hard to see if 1 of them will accept less and go from there.

Does anyone think there's anything to gain by waiting till next summer to sign one of them?

I think it works out best cap wise if Paul accepted the option and got a lower two year deal the following two years to get him to the same total. Or I certainly would do a declining contract so when those Ayton/Bridges deals come in, Paul's deal is declining.

And yes, I do think there is something to gain by waiting until next summer for Ayton and Bridges if they are fine with it so we have more money for potential FA (if we wouldn't be over the cap regardless) because their cap holds are surely lower than what their new deals would be.

They seem like guys that would potentially be open to waiting if they knew it would help improve the team in the long run, but at the same time I can understand wanting to secure the money now.

[Slim Charless]

If they resign Paul/ or use the space on someone else then no there's no cap advantage to waiting on either Mikal or Ayton. They would be an over the cap team either way.

With how well Aytons played this playoffs he's probably getting the max so that makes the negotiation pretty easy. Bridges isn't a max guy so the suns should make a fair offer and maybe Bridges signs or he bets on himself and plays out the year to see if he can increase his value. Anytime your dealing with a non max guy there's a chance you won't come to an agreement on the early extension. And if not that's not really a big deal since Bridges would be a RFA the next summer.

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We also have a decent backup for Bridges in Cam Johnson-who will cost significantly less imo. IF we have to lose Bridges, it'd be better if we can get something for him. Maybe package him, filler and Stix up for Randle (who did himself no favors in the playoffs). He'd fill our massive hole at PF and won't cost a max deal now. He's also obviously best suited as a 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

FTR I want to say that I don't want to lose Bridges as I feel he can be an all defense guy some day. I'm just saying if Sarver's cheapness strikes again....

If you're trading Bridges for cost savings it certainly wouldn't be for a guy like Randle who is going to get a huge contract after next season. It would be for a guy or two still on a rookie deal.

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With his play off failures this year he can't be thinking he's gonna get a max deal. It wouldn't be a 1 to 1 deal also. In a perfect world we'd keep Bridges but if we had to let him go, the package of Dario, Stix and maybe a future pick for Randle would be ideal for us.

With the 9M we won't be paying Dario along with the 25+ Bridges is gonna want and the 5M from Stix, we'd save-even if we gave him 30/yr. I don't think he can expect to get more than CP3, after the playoff bungling he showed this year.

[bwgood77]

If they resign Paul/ or use the space on someone else then no there's no cap advantage to waiting on either Mikal or Ayton. They would be an over the cap team either way.

With how well Aytons played this playoffs he's probably getting the max so that makes the negotiation pretty easy. Bridges isn't a max guy so the suns should make a fair offer and maybe Bridges signs or he bets on himself and plays out the year to see if he can increase his value. Anytime your dealing with a non max guy there's a chance you won't come to an agreement on the early extension. And if not that's not really a big deal since Bridges would be a RFA the next summer.

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We also have a decent backup for Bridges in Cam Johnson-who will cost significantly less imo. IF we have to lose Bridges, it'd be better if we can get something for him. Maybe package him, filler and Stix up for Randle (who did himself no favors in the playoffs). He'd fill our massive hole at PF and won't cost a max deal now. He's also obviously best suited as a 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

FTR I want to say that I don't want to lose Bridges as I feel he can be an all defense guy some day. I'm just saying if Sarver's cheapness strikes again....

If you're trading Bridges for cost savings it certainly wouldn't be for a guy like Randle who is going to get a huge contract after next season. It would be for a guy or two still on a rookie deal.

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Zero chance we trade Bridges. I think it is very rare to find a guy with his skill set combined with his demeanor, maturity, teammate. CP3 has said he has played with a lot of people over the years, and Bridges is one of the best individuals he's had on a team. That can't be underestimated.

Obviously if Luka or Giannis were available, or maybe Kawhi, that would change, but I doubt that will be the case. Kawhi will be a FA anyway and potentially we could carve out cap space for him in other ways though it would be tough.

I imagine he will want to stay at home in California though...and in all likelihood will stay with the Clippers.

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I have no if this dude has good sources but this wouldn't be shocking by any means. My guess would be he stays on a 3yr deal but as I've said before it's not exactly the end of the world if he walks, Suns would have money to spend and would be a good destination for a guy like Lowry.

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I think you are correct - he opts out - but comes back on a 3/100 type deal. Maybe 105. He is due 45 so this would give him 60 more. Would give the Suns some cap relief this year from luxury tax I think.

The key thing is this - Sarver needs to have a long term budget and he needs to stick with it. If the budget is lower than we like - so be it. But what got Bobby S in trouble in the past was wishy washy crap

He traded for Kurt Thomas but they then signed Diaw and Barbosa to extensions that kicked in a year later so that put them over the lux tax so they traded Kurt Thomas and two first rounders to save money. When in fact, I know Mike D loved both players but at the time - didn't need to extend both

The classic one - the Suns had the 17th and 18th picks in the draft - the year Rondo went. Sergio Rodriguez was picked 18th. Sarver traded both with Brian Grant for 3m. So he passed up draft two players on rookie deals to do what - sign Marcus Banks who ended up costing more than Grant, two rookie deals AND $3m.

So if Sarver has truly learned - having a 5 year model with his team would be nice. If that means a guy like - and I just bring him up as he will get a raise - if that means keeping Paul at a cheaper contract, extending Bridges and Ayton but not keeping Payne at $7-8m, so be it.

I love Payne as much as the next guy but I've been saying this. He might price himself out of Phoenix with his play.

If that happens we need to see if we can pry Cole Anthony from Orlando (especially if they get #1) they have alot of Gs with Fultz coming back and whoever they draft this year. Also Chicago just gave up 2 picks for Vuc, I'd bet they'd take our pick for Colby White.

That's 2 cheap picks on rookie deals who can learn from Paul and take over in 3 years. They've also both shown they have NBA skjll and can play in the league....

I'm 95% sure Payne will want to stay in Phx. I think our unity as a team is very rare and we were the ones to give him the opportunity out of China. Also learning from Paul is more valuable than a little more money.

I also seriously doubt he would get more than the MLE and if he was offered that I think we'd match it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think you are correct - he opts out - but comes back on a 3/100 type deal. Maybe 105. He is due 45 so this would give him 60 more. Would give the Suns some cap relief this year from luxury tax I think.

The key thing is this - Sarver needs to have a long term budget and he needs to stick with it. If the budget is lower than we like - so be it. But what got Bobby S in trouble in the past was wishy washy crap

He traded for Kurt Thomas but they then signed Diaw and Barbosa to extensions that kicked in a year later so that put them over the lux tax so they traded Kurt Thomas and two first rounders to save money. When in fact, I know Mike D loved both players but at the time - didn't need to extend both

The classic one - the Suns had the 17th and 18th picks in the draft - the year Rondo went. Sergio Rodriguez was picked 18th. Sarver traded both with Brian Grant for 3m. So he passed up draft two players on rookie deals to do what - sign Marcus Banks who ended up costing more than Grant, two rookie deals AND $3m.

So if Sarver has truly learned - having a 5 year model with his team would be nice. If that means a guy like - and I just bring him up as he will get a raise - if that means keeping Paul at a cheaper contract, extending Bridges and Ayton but not keeping Payne at $7-8m, so be it.

I love Payne as much as the next guy but I've been saying this. He might price himself out of Phoenix with his play.

If that happens we need to see if we can pry Cole Anthony from Orlando (especially if they get #1) they have alot of Gs with Fultz coming back and whoever they draft this year. Also Chicago just gave up 2 picks for Vuc, I'd bet they'd take our pick for Colby White.

That's 2 cheap picks on rookie deals who can learn from Paul and take over in 3 years. They've also both shown they have NBA skjll and can play in the league....

I'm 95% sure Payne will want to stay in Phx. I think our unity as a team is very rare and we were the ones to give him the opportunity out of China. Also learning from Paul is more valuable than a little more money.

I also seriously doubt he would get more than the MLE and if he was offered that I think we'd match it.

Yeah I expect Payne will want to stay in Phoenix. But I can also see how paying him mle type money (and that's about what I expect his market to be) might not make sense financially if they resign Paul for 3 years considering the other deals coming up.

Personally I'd love to keep him and Paul but it's not my money.

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