PG: Knicks-Hawks aka 1,2,3,Cancun! (Hawks win series 4-1)

[GONYK]

Atlanta, and Phoenix.

Fair enough with Phoenix but Atlantas not a contender

Atlanta has a brighter future than us 100%... They have one future All NBA talent... If they clear cap room and add another guy they contend. It's a sh** basketball market so it won't happen, but where do you (or anyone else) get off saying they're not closer to building a contender than the Knicks after they smoke us 4-1?

Hell, ATL might make it to the ECF this year (injuries to opponents are just part of the game).

[god shammgod]

This is the only part of the equation that matters.

So unless people wanted Randle traded early in the year, there was no tanking to be had.

I'd also question the wisdom of trading Randle, who you have under a cheap contract, in order to pursue tanking.

so these playoffs gives you no pause to paying this guy 30 million a year for the next 4/5 years ?

That a different matter. The Knicks, as an organization, did nothing to prevent tanking. They didn't go on a spending spree like the Hawks. They just gave Thibs the same roster.

As far as paying Julius, giving him $30M a year is not on the table for us. He's either getting paid $20M or getting extended for $26M. Either of those contracts are movable for his level of production.

i don't think 26 makes it much better

[Reign23]

Thibodeau's regular season record: 393-277, .587%

Thibodeau's playoff record: 25-36, .410%

Why do you think there is such a discrepancy between the two? He gets his guys to hustle every game in the regular season. You can win 40, 50, even 60 games with subpar talent in the regular season like that. But in the playoffs, everyone plays hard. You can't out hustle your opponent in the playoffs. He doesn't make adjustments in his game planning, and that gets exposed in the playoffs.

There were countless times this year where we'd be down in the second quarter by double digits, and then in the third and fourth we'd turn up the pressure, and come back to win. That's all his coaching his guys up. That doesn't work in the playoffs though.

+1

[god shammgod]

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the consensus is that randle is a number 3 option and it might hinder you to get 1 & 2 if you pay him

“I don’t believe Julius is a max guy,” an NBA executive told HoopsHype. “He’s a good player, but definitely not a max guy in my opinion. I don’t think his season was a fluke. I think Thibs and Kenny Payne are great for him, I just don’t think he is a max player.”

“I’m not sure I’d extend him,” another NBA executive told HoopsHype. “If they go another year under his current contract to let him prove that this year wasn’t a fluke, they’ll still have Bird Rights and can always give him an extra year more than other teams when he’s an unrestricted free agent.”

Other executives aren’t overreacting to one bad playoff series compared to his 71 regular-season games played at a high level. With that said, some believe there’s no rush for New York to get something done.

“I’d probably wait (to extend him),” a third NBA executive told HoopsHype. “If he has another great year, great. I don’t see another team offering much more as a free agent.”

“I doubt they would offer him the max cause they would be bidding against themselves,” a fourth NBA executive told HoopsHype.

[GONYK]

so these playoffs gives you no pause to paying this guy 30 million a year for the next 4/5 years ?

That a different matter. The Knicks, as an organization, did nothing to prevent tanking. They didn't go on a spending spree like the Hawks. They just gave Thibs the same roster.

As far as paying Julius, giving him $30M a year is not on the table for us. He's either getting paid $20M or getting extended for $26M. Either of those contracts are movable for his level of production.

i don't think 26 makes it much better

So then don't do it. We have options.

That has to do with the front office not doing anything to prevent losing though

[Oscirus]

Atlanta, and Phoenix.

Fair enough with Phoenix but Atlantas not a contender

Atlanta has a brighter future than us 100%... They have one future All NBA talent... If they clear cap room and add another guy they contend. It's a sh** basketball market so it won't happen, but where do you (or anyone else) get off saying they're not closer to building a contender than the Knicks after they smoke us 4-1?

Hell, ATL might make it to the ECF this year (injuries to opponents are just part of the game).

Wasn't merely Saud they weren't contenders but since you insist being a fake ass fan by drooling over what's in everybody else's yard:

Most relevant thing Atlanta will do this decade is beating us and talking **** about it. They're basically a ghetto version of golden states team without nearly enough talent

[ENYK]

Fair enough with Phoenix but Atlantas not a contender

Atlanta has a brighter future than us 100%... They have one future All NBA talent... If they clear cap room and add another guy they contend. It's a sh** basketball market so it won't happen, but where do you (or anyone else) get off saying they're not closer to building a contender than the Knicks after they smoke us 4-1?

Hell, ATL might make it to the ECF this year (injuries to opponents are just part of the game).

Wasn't merely Saud they weren't contenders but since you insist being a fake ass fan by drooling over what's in everybody else's yard:

Most relevant thing Atlanta will do this decade is beating us and talking **** about it. They're basically a ghetto version of golden states team without nearly enough talent

Good, be a "real" fan and keep heaping praise on our s*** core... It won't change the fact that Trae is much better than anyone on our roster by a wide margin.

LIRR frat boy bull**** fanbase is what allows the cycle to perpetuate itself.

[sol537]

Either go all in with a big three (Randle + two veteran max kat studs) OR trade Randle to the highest bidder and go with the youth movement (RJ + Mitch + Obi + IQ + incoming load of draftees).

I'm honestly fine with either. The 3rd option is to keep slowly adding pieces around Randle + RJ until a big opportunity presents itself possibly in the future. That's OK too, I guess.

[gavran]

Atlanta, and Phoenix.

The Spurs when they got Duncan

Hell we only got RJ our most promising young player because..... we tanked

These anti-tanking people are really out of their minds...

Tanking fails for small market/undesirable market teams... If you're in a big market you will be able to draft a star and keep him if you play it smart and keep enough cap room to sign other stars/complementary players.

NYC is cool, it's the capital of the world, but we don't present FAs with any foundation to join.

Miami drafted Wade, he brought LeBron and Bosh... GS drafted Curry, Klay, Draymond, they added Kevin Durant.

The Nets are, if anything, the supreme outlier. And Kyrie is one of the more eccentric stars the league has ever seen. Not sure how people are using them as a blueprint the Knicks should follow. Literally dependent on some weirdo deciding to join an empty roster and bringing his 6'10 All NBA gimp to join him.

New York isn't even the capital of the country it is situated in.

[K_ick_God]

It's bleak. I think with what Randle did it ripped apart the season somewhat. Prisoner of the moment maybe but guys who suck in the playoffs that badly are not to be built around. Again he's young if he's already the things you need from a lead scorer or 2nd. He's not young to crash & burn like that.

[Fat Kat]

Atlanta has a brighter future than us 100%... They have one future All NBA talent... If they clear cap room and add another guy they contend. It's a sh** basketball market so it won't happen, but where do you (or anyone else) get off saying they're not closer to building a contender than the Knicks after they smoke us 4-1?

Hell, ATL might make it to the ECF this year (injuries to opponents are just part of the game).

Wasn't merely Saud they weren't contenders but since you insist being a fake ass fan by drooling over what's in everybody else's yard:

Most relevant thing Atlanta will do this decade is beating us and talking **** about it. They're basically a ghetto version of golden states team without nearly enough talent

Good, be a "real" fan and keep heaping praise on our s*** core... It won't change the fact that Trae is much better than anyone on our roster by a wide margin.

LIRR frat boy bull**** fanbase is what allows the cycle to perpetuate itself.

Aside from stomping your feet, what exactly are you gonna do about it? I’m genuinely curious about the endgame of this verbal litter spewing

[ENYK]

The Spurs when they got Duncan

Hell we only got RJ our most promising young player because..... we tanked

These anti-tanking people are really out of their minds...

Tanking fails for small market/undesirable market teams... If you're in a big market you will be able to draft a star and keep him if you play it smart and keep enough cap room to sign other stars/complementary players.

NYC is cool, it's the capital of the world, but we don't present FAs with any foundation to join.

Miami drafted Wade, he brought LeBron and Bosh... GS drafted Curry, Klay, Draymond, they added Kevin Durant.

The Nets are, if anything, the supreme outlier. And Kyrie is one of the more eccentric stars the league has ever seen. Not sure how people are using them as a blueprint the Knicks should follow. Literally dependent on some weirdo deciding to join an empty roster and bringing his 6'10 All NBA gimp to join him.

New York isn't even the capital of the country it is situated in.

Act like you don't know what the f*** I'm talking about.

You must live in Albany.

[GONYK]

Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?

That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.

[Gravy]

It's not his fault per se... he's part of a larger organizational problem. The organization wants "relevance" over contention. And it's 100% profit driven in the most cynical way. Other owners and ownership groups are okay with the slow and steady approach, but MSG is 100% about short term returns. Why construct a dynasty when you can fill seats by fielding a team in which your best players are Randle and Lonzo (or any other sub-star level player).

Other than the sixers whose success rate wasn't even that high, name one contender that's built a contender through tanking

Atlanta, and Phoenix.

Suns best young player was the 13th pick and they didnt get good until they got CP3.

[Oscirus]

Atlanta has a brighter future than us 100%... They have one future All NBA talent... If they clear cap room and add another guy they contend. It's a sh** basketball market so it won't happen, but where do you (or anyone else) get off saying they're not closer to building a contender than the Knicks after they smoke us 4-1?

Hell, ATL might make it to the ECF this year (injuries to opponents are just part of the game).

Wasn't merely Saud they weren't contenders but since you insist being a fake ass fan by drooling over what's in everybody else's yard:

Most relevant thing Atlanta will do this decade is beating us and talking **** about it. They're basically a ghetto version of golden states team without nearly enough talent

Good, be a "real" fan and keep heaping praise on our s*** core... It won't change the fact that Trae is much better than anyone on our roster by a wide margin.

LIRR frat boy bull**** fanbase is what allows the cycle to perpetuate itself.

The Morey method set the sixers back multiple years until embed got healthy. The fact that you support that method in hopes of getting a one dimensional player like Trae tells me all I need to know about you and your fandom.

[robillionaire]

Because Fizdale sucks. They were 17-27 under mike miller, and brought in better role players, and randle had an all-star season

This is the only part of the equation that matters.

So unless people wanted Randle traded early in the year, there was no tanking to be had.

I'd also question the wisdom of trading Randle, who you have under a cheap contract, in order to pursue tanking.

so these playoffs gives you no pause to paying this guy 30 million a year for the next 4/5 years ?

I'd rather get away with closer to 25M a year but no, it doesn't give me much pause, he's worth that just for the regular season success alone

[ENYK]

Wasn't merely Saud they weren't contenders but since you insist being a fake ass fan by drooling over what's in everybody else's yard:

Most relevant thing Atlanta will do this decade is beating us and talking **** about it. They're basically a ghetto version of golden states team without nearly enough talent

Good, be a "real" fan and keep heaping praise on our s*** core... It won't change the fact that Trae is much better than anyone on our roster by a wide margin.

LIRR frat boy bull**** fanbase is what allows the cycle to perpetuate itself.

The Morey method set the sixers back multiple years until embed got healthy. The fact that you support that method in hopes of getting a one dimensional player like Trae tells me all I need to know about you and your fandom.

The fact that you can't see that a quick, high scoring, shot creating PG is a bigger draw to FAs (not to mention, better to build around) in today's NBA than an undersized, unathletic PF who just added a 3 point shot this season tells me that you haven't actually watched any basketball in the past 5-6 years.

[GONYK]

This is the only part of the equation that matters.

So unless people wanted Randle traded early in the year, there was no tanking to be had.

I'd also question the wisdom of trading Randle, who you have under a cheap contract, in order to pursue tanking.

so these playoffs gives you no pause to paying this guy 30 million a year for the next 4/5 years ?

I'd rather get away with closer to 25M a year but no, it doesn't give me much pause, he's worth that just for the regular season success alone

All MAX contracts aren't created equal. Randle at $26M, which is what his MAX extension would be for, is what a player of his level costs. Even if you think he peaks as a 3rd option.

[Sark]

Other than the sixers whose success rate wasn't even that high, name one contender that's built a contender through tanking

Atlanta, and Phoenix.

Suns best young player was the 13th pick and they didnt get good until they got CP3.

Have you not seen Ayton play this playoffs?

Regardless, tanking =/= being the absolute worst piece of **** in the league.

[Reign23]

just thankful for RJs season.