2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[stuporman]

So the ringer thinks the Knicks will pass on James 'left nut' Bouknight for Cooper?...have another team pass on him too and then the Knicks take him with the 21st pick? I give him the moniker 'left nut' because it seems like much of this board would give their left nut to get him.

Many on this board would lose their minds if the Knicks passed him up at 19 then the Hawks of all teams took him one spot later at 20.

[sol537]

If we keep all three picks, we need to swing for the fences on all 3 picks. Look at Denver, man. Even if one of the home run swings hit, you get a stud that can be with you for 5+ seasons. No more Knox or Frank type picks.

[2010]

If we keep all three picks, we need to swing for the fences on all 3 picks. Look at Denver, man. Even if one of the home run swings hit, you get a stud that can be with you for 5+ seasons. No more Knox or Frank type picks.

The wild part is, Frank & Knox were supposed to be swing for the fence picks. Everyone thought they had high upside. Just goes to show, just cuz you take a dude who is one of the younger ones of his draft class, doesn't mean they actually have a high ceiling.

[2010]

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[3toheadmelo]

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Bouknight is still my main guy but Mann is an excellent back up option if we can’t get him. We desperately need a guard who can create off the dribble and shoot. Just look at what Trae did to us.

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[3toheadmelo]

I really want Hyland man

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[stuporman]

When you look at the skills that translate to the modern NBA, the skills that separate the role players from those that elevate to elite and the skills the Knicks lack with their main players it's obvious what they are.

Dribble driving with a tight handle, creating their own shots and making the pull up shots from all levels. There are a few guys that will fall in the Knicks picks range from 19 to 32 that they may be able to get.

The Knicks HAVE TO address this lack of important skills because they will have lethargic offensive play and not enough shot making as long as it exists this way.

[sol537]

If we keep all three picks, we need to swing for the fences on all 3 picks. Look at Denver, man. Even if one of the home run swings hit, you get a stud that can be with you for 5+ seasons. No more Knox or Frank type picks.

The wild part is, Frank & Knox were supposed to be swing for the fence picks. Everyone thought they had high upside. Just goes to show, just cuz you take a dude who is one of the younger ones of his draft class, doesn't mean they actually have a high ceiling.

True, but now the Knicks should know what type of traits to avoid better than anyone

[cgf]

The thing with BJ Boston is that I don’t see the shot creation skills with him like I do with Ziarie. For me personally, if the Knicks wanted to take a long term approach I would take Ziarie over BJ with no hesitation. My take could be absolutely off though.

Why not take them both. BJ in the second they obviously have some kind of chemistry as they were both amazing in high school and played on the same team.

I also thought about this point, between the horrible year at Kentucky and losing his teammate in a car crash right before his eyes. The disclipline of Thibs, leadership of Randle and playing with a childhood friend in Zaire that gets to go through the experience together may unlock the most out of Boston.

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[Fat]

Ziare Williams + Tre Mann or butler.

Best shooter/scorer available @32

Best big available @58

Not sure where all these minutes for these rookies would come from but I’d do something like that

[WargamesX]

I like Tre Mann but you’re getting a SG with him. He isn’t going to make anyone’s life easier as a distributor. Then again they might be looking at CP3 or some other vet as the PG

[Fat]

I like Tre Mann but you’re getting a SG with him. He isn’t going to make anyone’s life easier as a distributor. Then again they might be looking at CP3 or some other vet as the PG

No point guard at 19/21 really will have that type of impact at least not right away unless your taking cooper and sacrificing more shooting

I dont believe the Knicks will use the draft to try and find a starting point guard they’ll do that free agency, but they still need to draft one regardless

[HEZI]

I like Tre Mann, he reminds me a lot of Jordan Poole who just had a really good sophomore season in GS. There's always potential for both players to become better and more productive but for where the Knicks are picking it's not a bad pick at all.

Not sure I take the risk with Zaire if I'm the Knicks, there's not really much about his game that stands out right now, maybe as a project. He's very similar to rookie Trevor Ariza so I really struggle to see how that type of player fits on the current Knicks considering our most obvious weaknesses.

[RHODEY]

I like Tre Mann, he reminds me a lot of Jordan Poole who just had a really good sophomore season in GS. There's always potential for both players to become better and more productive but for where the Knicks are picking it's not a bad pick at all.

Not sure I take the risk with Zaire if I'm the Knicks, there's not really much about his game that stands out right now, maybe as a project. He's very similar to rookie Trevor Ariza so I really struggle to see how that type of player fits on the current Knicks considering our most obvious weaknesses.

I like Tre too, but I'll be honest, in that tweet he kinda reminded me of Alono Trier... looks good in ISO situations...


Is he similar to Alonzo or am I way off here?

[stuporman]

The more I watch Butler.... I have been watching full games of players on opposing teams that might be available at 19/21 for the Knicks to take. He was under utilized because Baylor had DMitch taking up much of the play making duties.

Butler is going to be an impact PG at the next level because he has a great handle, great mid game with a floater, finishes and vision to facilitate. He may not have the athleticism of DMitch to wow anyone at the rim but he's very crafty in getting it up around the trees.

If the Knicks can get him with one of those two firsts they'd stabilize the PG spot for a decade or more. He may not be a 'star' but he's going to be next tier super glue guy because he shoots from 3 very well and plays D with both quickness and strength.

DMitch has the star upside of those two back court team mates but Butler is one the Knicks need as a PG and may be there to draft without trading up.

[HEZI]

I like Tre Mann, he reminds me a lot of Jordan Poole who just had a really good sophomore season in GS. There's always potential for both players to become better and more productive but for where the Knicks are picking it's not a bad pick at all.

Not sure I take the risk with Zaire if I'm the Knicks, there's not really much about his game that stands out right now, maybe as a project. He's very similar to rookie Trevor Ariza so I really struggle to see how that type of player fits on the current Knicks considering our most obvious weaknesses.

I like Tre too, but I'll be honest, in that tweet he kinda reminded me of Alono Trier... looks good in ISO situations...


Is he similar to Alonzo or am I way off here?

I wouldn't say way off because I can see how his style could display similarities but I'd say he's probably a better version of what Trier was supposed to be. I don't think Trier had the ball handling and separation ability that Mann has.

[RHODEY]

I like Tre Mann, he reminds me a lot of Jordan Poole who just had a really good sophomore season in GS. There's always potential for both players to become better and more productive but for where the Knicks are picking it's not a bad pick at all.

Not sure I take the risk with Zaire if I'm the Knicks, there's not really much about his game that stands out right now, maybe as a project. He's very similar to rookie Trevor Ariza so I really struggle to see how that type of player fits on the current Knicks considering our most obvious weaknesses.

I like Tre too, but I'll be honest, in that tweet he kinda reminded me of Alono Trier... looks good in ISO situations...


Is he similar to Alonzo or am I way off here?

I wouldn't say way off because I can see how his style could display similarities but I'd say he's probably a better version of what Trier was supposed to be. I don't think Trier had the ball handling and separation ability that Mann has.

Gotcha.....thanks.

[knickstape4ever]

The more I watch Butler.... I have been watching full games of players on opposing teams that might be available at 19/21 for the Knicks to take. He was under utilized because Baylor had DMitch taking up much of the play making duties.

Butler is going to be an impact PG at the next level because he has a great handle, great mid game with a floater, finishes and vision to facilitate. He may not have the athleticism of DMitch to wow anyone at the rim but he's very crafty in getting it up around the trees.

If the Knicks can get him with one of those two firsts they'd stabilize the PG spot for a decade or more. He may not be a 'star' but he's going to be next tier super glue guy because he shoots from 3 very well and plays D with both quickness and strength.

DMitch has the star upside of those two back court team mates but Butler is one the Knicks need as a PG and may be there to draft without trading up.

Really like Butler. IMO he's a better version of IQ: better handle, better passer, even a better shooter

not sure that I see him as an engine PG. I see him more as a combo like IQ b/c he's not the most advanced passer/doesn't utilize live-dribble passing much, and he doesn't have a mid-range game, which seems to be something a lot of the top PG's in the NBA have (very helpful in the P&R)

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The Knicks are excused from the lottery dais for a change, but that doesn’t mean they can’t move up into lottery position on draft night in late July. They have two first-round picks (19 and 21) and two second-rounders (32, 58). Chief strategist Brock Aller will look to deal picks and money to move into the lottery, according to sources. Thibodeau doesn’t want too many more prospects on his roster. Also, the Knicks are one of the few teams who will have some cap space on draft night to make a trade smoother.

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IMO they should keep both 1sts this year

tbh, I'd even rather use Obi to move up since we already have Randle, who according to Berman, they want to lock up. I know that's probably an unpopular opinion (and I've been more impressed w/ Obi lately), but Randle and Obi are both 4's and w/ defense being the catalyst for this team, hard to see them getting many minutes together. and we need guard help really bad

[cgf]

...it's Berman...